*IF* Harbaugh fails... Brent Venables?

Submitted by LarryDarrell on September 23rd, 2019 at 3:16 PM

First of all, I'm pulling for the team to turn things around and have a great season.  Crazier things have happened (Lloyd's last yr, post-App St/Oregon, for example).  But in the event it doesn't work out..  how about Brent Venables?

He's the best defensive mind in college football today.  He's the only DC in the country who seems to be able to stop Elite modern offenses (in CFP games, against equal'ish competition).  

He's only 48 yrs old.  He's been the #2 man at a top-5 program (Oklahoma/Clemson) for the last 20 yrs; since he was 28.  He knows how it's done at the highest level.  He's an outstanding recruiter -- Rivals.com's National Recruiter of the year in 2016.  He's got enough experience, 3 or 4 times over, to be ready. 

He could probably bring one of Clemson's co-OC's (Tony Elliot-the more proven offensive mind *or* Jeff Scott-the elite recruiter) with him.. probably replacing himself as the highest-paid assistant in the land.

There's been talk about Clemson, Oklahoma over the yrs..  but he's been a college assistant coach for 26 yrs and I've never heard so much as a rumor about him doing anything below board (would you blame Don Brown if some Michigan booster gave a kid money?).  I think it's completely irresponsible to baselessly say anything to the contrary. 

Dabo, Kirby Smart, Lincoln Riley, Ryan Day -- the HC's at 4 of the top-5 programs had zero HC'ing experience before assuming their current roles.  

And he publicly stated that he would've been interested in the Texas Tech HC'ing job had it been offered last yr.  What other HC'ing jobs he's been offered in the past idk (he has, Dabo confirms)..  but he makes more than half the power-5 coaches in his current role..  so it makes sense that he'd wait for a real big one.  

I personally think he's the next Nick Saban.  I think he'd be able to recruit / put together a staff of great recruiters.  I think he'd be able to find solid, modern offensive minds.  I think he'd be able to develop players.  I think he'd be able to run our program with integrity.  And I think he'd make elite defense (against elite competition..  sorry Don) the backbone of our program..  ala Saban.

What say you?

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Qonas

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:18 PM ^

Absolutely yes, but you're going to get the blue blood donors wringing their hands over his possible under-the-table recruit payments so it won't happen.

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Gameboy

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

Are you really this dense? Just listen to Bacon talking about Gary's recruiting (in his new book). He basically says Clemson offered $200k to Gary (https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/dig2b9/mgoradio-5_0.mp3).

If you are fine with shitty morals, then fine, be honest about it. Don't friggin act like this is some news.

And if we are going to dig at the bottom of the barrel in morality, why not just go after Urban?

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LarryDarrell

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:28 PM ^

Unfortunately I'm not 4 yrs old and your brilliant deflection techniques don't work.  

A) Didn't find the exact article I was looking for, but a decent one--which I posted just now.


**B) Where is any article over the past 30 yrs even suggesting it could be suggested it was ever once suggested to be suggested that Venables has ever done anything to break any rules?

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BlowGoo

September 23rd, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^

2019 NCAA doesn't care. Just maintain some insulation from the program to provide plausible deniability, and it's okay. This is the message the NCAA has sent, again and again and again.

 

You want to compete for a NC in today's NCAA? You need a coach who can deliver a great offense, defense, connections, AND establish a cheating system that meets the NCAA standard of teflon.

And that's essentially according to the NCAA.

I don't like it, but if that's the game, that's the game.

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LarryDarrell

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^

A) What corners does Venables cut academically?
B) What "SEC/ACC" shenanigans has Venables partaken in?

Do you want me to answer for you...   or do you want to say that you're just baselessly shouting out completely unfounded, bitter assumptions.

C) Should this proverbial "stick" be what continues to run our program into irrelevance?  

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andidklein

September 23rd, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

Some of the players Venables would want to bring in would probably not qualify academically.

Clemson is known to utilize bagmen. You can deny it all you want, but the proof is there.

The stick is a lot of different things that have helped lead Michigan to where it is. It is hard to explain without naming names, but let's just say it takes more than one cook to fuck up a stew.

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LarryDarrell

September 23rd, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^

A) Who are the bad students that Venables wants to bring to Michigan?  Who are the bad students that he brought to Clemson?  How did you find out?

B) Michigan got caught (was not rumored) using bag men.  Which assistant coach on the staff was "doing" that.  How did you find out?

Just more baseless inaccurate blasting.  This is what makes us worse than Notre Dame ever was.

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LarryDarrell

September 23rd, 2019 at 5:34 PM ^

BRO, what are the differences in academic standards between Michigan and Clemson??  Please tell me.  I'd love to know.  (because there are none).

If you meet the minimum NCAA standards...  you get into Clemson, OSU, Bama, Michigan, Michigan St.  18 on the ACT and like a 2.0 gpa or whatever it is now.

We're not Notre Dame.  Or Stanford, Northwestern, etc.  We have no higher entrance standards.  

Harder politically to get convicted criminals in here, given the media attention.  But tell me, please -- what convicted criminals/horrible students has Clemson let in?  Venables specifically.  Where is your evidence that he loves bad human beings and has recruited them so relentlessly.  

Seems like Michigan's had much worse student athlete problems than Clemson over the past 10 yrs...  Gibbons, Lewan, Frank Clark, etc.  I can't think of a single Clemson guy who's gotten in trouble lately..

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Charlestown Chiefs

September 24th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^

There are 2 former teammates of Shea Patterson at Ole Miss that beg to differ.  They wanted to transfer here also but couldn't clear UM admissions.  Obviously they cleared NCAA admissions.  Sorry, but your statement that all you have to do is clear NCAA admissions is straight up wrong.  UM admissions COULD have cleared them to enter but CHOSE not to.

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lostwages

September 23rd, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

.... it's because the 'fathful' have no stomach for a non-Michigan-Man at the helm, they want the team to look like they're coached by Bo, but with a soft touch (lol), and perform like Alabama.

M can't figure out why the above is not working because "This is Michigan" lmao... once they pull their heads out of their lower posteriors, and realize that no one else gives a damn if it's "Michigan" then they'll finally join the rest of us in the 21st century.

In other words... remove ego from the equation... then they'll have success!

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