Harbaugh TRO hearing set for next Friday; he will not coach v PSU (per Angelique)
November 11th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^
November 11th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^
I wonder whether the judge being an M grad might not have worked against us here, with her anxious to avoid any appearance of partiality in granting an immediate stay.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
First thoughts that came to mind when we got UM judges assigned.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
Also, not every M grad is a fan of M athletics, or athletics in general.
Frankly, a bunch of suits dragging someone into a very late night on a federal holiday to talk about the importance of collegiate sports can be impetus alone to take their sweet time. "Oooh, Michigan's football team might lose today? Why should I care? I thought they were supposed to be student-athletes and this is just recreation."
November 11th, 2023 at 11:13 AM ^
Right. During my time at UM, I was surprised to find that so many fellow Wolverines dgaf about sports. Some even kind of seem to resent all the fuss that our sports get here. Hopefully she's not one of those.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:14 AM ^
Honestly, it probably didn't help that the filing was 219 pages. Who wants that for some light reading late on Friday night?
November 11th, 2023 at 11:22 AM ^
I know this law firm is supposed to be Da Best but I feel that was a mistake. It's a TRO, not a full trial. If you need 200+ pages to make the outline of your case, it's gonna look like a weak case, and that makes it less likely the TRO is granted.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:38 AM ^
Agree. I just read the B1G's letter declaring the punishment, and though it boils my blood as an M fan, it's much stronger (IMO) than outraged posters declared it on issue. There are awkward passages, but it's generally well written. They covered their asses pretty well. To a real extent, it's a reminder that for all of the corresponding cheating going on out there, this was something of an own goal.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^
Even when the ex parte motion is granted, don't they still have to set up an in person hearing as well?
I'm not convinced that Thamel's "news" means what he thinks it means.
Either way, our boys are going to crush it today.
Edit: my question was answered in the negative. BET.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
If we were to lose today, would the civil suit be in the tens of millions or the hundreds of millions?
We won't lose today, but Petitty has lost his mind.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:50 AM ^
This is ridiculous. It's a TRO; it's supposed to be adjudicated with urgency. All of it is absurd from the timing of Petitti's biased decision to two PSU alums making a decision that directly grants a competitive advantage to their alma mater in a game less than 20 hours later to this judge failing to issue an order last night or even this morning (or now it's being reported, even today).
I disagree with those posters who think Harbaugh's absence will give us an motivational edge. These players perform at an unbelievably high level. They are not going 90% typically with 10% to be tapped into in the event such as a head coach suspension. They give 100% every game. This is a massive fuckin distraction to the players and coaches who have to deal w something that PSU does not have to deal with. Always, Go Blue
November 11th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^
Yeah, this is just absurd. Are we sure she didn't deny the TRO and set a PI hearing for Friday? It would just be an unbelievable level of judicial incompetence to fail to rule on the TRO before the claimed injury occurs
November 11th, 2023 at 11:16 AM ^
Essentially yes. Whether or not an order was issued on the TRO motion, this schedule is a denial of a TRO, and the hearing would be for a preliminary injunction.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^
Having lived here for a while now, this seems to be how Ann Arbor moves. Slow asf and almost aloof, especially for people that are so intelligent. I see it in the public schools, setting up medical appointments, PT for my kids, the retarded traffic lights, my neighbors with their front yard gardens, etc. I've lived a lot of places in my life, and I've never seen anything like A2. So its not surprising to me that she's dragging ass.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:43 AM ^
You're reading quite a lot in there. We have little info about how this fell out.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:46 AM ^
Nah I'm just long winded. Ann Arbor moves slow as shit. Is that better?
November 11th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^
As someone who grew up, went to HS and college there, still visits often, just don't really agree. Try NYC. Try waiting on responses to ms's as a scholar! :)
November 11th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^
Thank you. The T means temporary. She isn't expected to rule on the case, just in the way it was executed.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:41 AM ^
Well sounds like that suspensions sticking boys.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
While I'm all for leaving the conference don't mix news posts then state an opinion as fact.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
Agree. It's confusing if it's part of the message
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
Regents already discussing it. It's not opinion.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^
Discussing it does not mean it's going to happen.
Its opinion by the OP.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:57 AM ^
Thanks captain obvious
November 11th, 2023 at 10:48 AM ^
Natural for any M or legal fan to want to leave the Big Ten. Me too.
But no one is going to leave $150 million over 5 years on the table. Not an exact number of course, but it could be significant loss of revenue and talking heads will speak for years about how we made an emotionally charged, non financial decision and how the athletic department has suffered ever since.
Now if we can make a deal with other marquee teams and/or with networks, who knows, but it is a lot of money and history for what may become just a blip in time.
Again, I agree this is unfair and I'm fired up. Bet.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^
But no one is going to leave $150 million over 5 years on the table. Cooler heads will prevail.
Okay, opinion time: this is asinine. If you stay in the Big Ten you accept the precedent set by this Commissioner that he can suspend a coach anytime he wants for any reason. Michigan is better off leaving and becoming an independent. They'll have a deal with Fox almost immediately, and in an expanded playoff they'll be a big player.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:57 AM ^
I think by using "asinine" you proved how this is emotionally charged.
You and I are both in favor of the best Michigan opportunity.
Michigan can work with the Big Ten on more clear guidelines and it could be the current commissioner Pettiti is not a commissioner for long.
NCAA will change rules also and probably allow headsets. It will all be something Michigan will be credited with changing.
And Harbaugh may win several cases against the Big Ten.
It would be fun to leave the conference, but we need enough revenue replaced and there is no clear path yet.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^
No. Michigan's days working with the Big Ten are over.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:03 AM ^
This isn't about signs, you schmuck. It was never about signs.
The B1G muckraked Michigan and pulled the trigger on the first thing they found. Shit literally everyone was doing, even. It didn't matter because they colluded, and the NCAA rulebook is so chock full of nonsense it's impossible to sneeze in Schembechler Hall without committing some sort of violation. The decision to drag Michigan through the mud came first; signs was just what they went with.
If Stalions did nothing, it would've been something else. Next year it'll be about something else.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^
M is going to leave the B1G, it pretty much HAS to happen at this point.
However, it isn't going to happen in a year's time. Just like OU and Texas' exit is happening/happened over a 2-year period, M will play in the B1G for another year or two, but I would expect an announcement some time next year that M is leaving.
Lots of details have to be decided, getting out of a contract and getting into a new one.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:30 AM ^
I agree with this. Become independent. Notre Dame doesn't have to win a conference championship to be a playoff team. With the playoffs at 12 teams theres no reason for Michigan to stay in the big ten.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:53 AM ^
Principle over Money..LEAVE!!! Michigan will be just fine..Hell they could take up the collection plate and as STEAMED as fans are they could raise 150 million by the TRO hesring!
November 11th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
I hear you but it's more complex than that, no? Don't we have to assign some value to a conference that looks to treat us unfairly (as you described yourself)? What else and for how long will there be issues? Officiating, sanctions, fines, bad press, etc.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:55 AM ^
It's not about Harbaugh sitting a few games, though. It's about the big ten coming down on us in a way that hasn't ever happened before prior to a notice of allegations even arriving from the NCAA. It's about it seeming probable that this was all spurred on because another school in this conference hired a PI firm to dig around for dirt on the program. It's about the entire rest of this conference cheering this on, pitchforks in hand.
I'm sure that some people want to leave out of spite, and in that instance cooler heads should prevail, but there needs to be a serious conversation about if we'll ever get a fair shake in the Big Ten if we're not playing second fiddle to Ohio State.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:13 AM ^
Your central assumption on this opinion on money is that the Big Ten provides value to Michigan. This is incorrect. Michigan provides value to the Big Ten. If we are in it, the $60 million per year to 14 teams is reasonable. If we leave it, that 60M will drop significantly.
Also, since we are the value, that money will follow us wherever we are. Even if M is only 1/6 of the total TV value of the Big Ten, shifting that value out of the big ten deal and into the ACC deal, for example, makes them equal. So we are not sacrificing a larger payout by leaving, we would be taking that money with us.
Start getting this point right everyone: Michigan Football is worth more to the big ten than the big ten is to Michigan Football.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:26 AM ^
Terrible use of the word. Js
November 11th, 2023 at 10:42 AM ^
It fucking better be the last season in the BIG. Fuck Tony "Bitchass" Pettiti or whatever his last name is and fuck Carol the Karen.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
Tony Petitedick
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
Utter bullshit, I hope we throttle PSU
Bet
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
What a giant crock of shit.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
How does something “emergent” turn into next Friday?
November 11th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^
Well for starters, it's sports. It's not like there's any immediate threat to life, or a threat to life at all.
However, I do think the decision should've been expedited precisely because it's a damn football game. The judge may not care for sports but as long as you're already dragged into it, this isn't the sort of ruling where you need to go over all the facts in exhaustive detail -- especially when the stakes are basically time-sensitive and little else.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:58 AM ^
If they can't handle this, however, they certainly wouldn't be able to handle anything really urgent.
November 11th, 2023 at 11:00 AM ^
It’s not life or death but there are potentially millions of dollars on the line for a public institution if Michigan does not win and you can argue that Harbaugh’s inability to coach plus the distraction of a Friday afternoon announcement played a part in the loss.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^
I’m thinking Ryan Day may consider coaching the game from the Popemobile when he comes to Ann Arbor in a couple of weeks. It’s gonna get ugly.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:49 AM ^
Are you advocating physical harm on someone? I'm sure the mods would like you to clarify.
November 11th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^
Oh give me a break
November 11th, 2023 at 11:00 AM ^
Deleted as this stupid response isn’t worthy of an explanation.
