With the way he has his mask, it looks like he’s grinning
....or that his teeth are yellow.
Mlive story said that Livers was also there as well as a number of football players, but it didn't give any names. Given how vocal he's been I imagine Sainristil was one of them if he's on campus.
Grant Perry, Mike McCray, Grant Newsome (the least surprising thing ever), and Jay Harbaugh also there, says Baumgardner.
Organized by former walk on Mahmoud Issa.
Looks like it's Jay Harbaugh 2nd person to the right of Jim actually.
Respect
Now we need athletes in Chicago to march and protest black on black homicides in Chicago!Black lives matter at all times not just when a cop kills someone!
No one can talk about that though without calling someone a racist when the REALITY that is a major issue that is arguably just as bad as police brutality. Every weekend dozens wake up in that town and die by the end of weekend of a gun shot in America make innocent too. How unreal is that yet seems to be no real concern. That makes me sick and I don't live there nor am I black. How that doesn't bother more people is beyond me.
That's the problem with United States today, everyone wants point finger at others instead of having civil discussions and looking at actual data
Police brutality against people of color is a real issue that needs to be dealt with no doubt about it but people are dying everyday in Chicago at the hands of other minorities.
If you don’t think that people are doing things about violence in Chicago, you know nothing about the city and are just using it as a deflection. There are lots of community organizations trying to address this issue. Google.
The reason why we have protests over police brutality is because a significant portion of the population, and local governments, don’t seem to care about it or hold the wrongdoers accountable.
Mr. Bacon are there good results thru forums and community activists in Chicago.It's about results not anything else.
If it’s about results, then we should probably defund the police as they aren’t doing much about it.
Neither is the Mayor and/or city counsel......
And I doubt you’ll see many Chicagoans praising them!
I don’t think you’re as good at dodgeball as you think.
Oh I think I'am
I guarantee you changed your Facebook pic to a black square, woketard.
if you defund the police (or even if you don’t, police aren’t going into black communities as much after these riots) there will be increased lawlessness and violence in their communities. Don’t believe me? Check out crime stats before and after Ferguson riots. Made it a lot worse
What are the black leaders doing in Chicago????? You have corrupt boule black leaders that have done nothing for this community. Obama sure as hell didn’t do a damn thing and the rest are equally corrupt. We here on the south side knew back when mayor Dailey built his 8 lane highway that every one of our black leaders sold us out to build. The alderman were corrupt as hell too. It seperated the black and Hispanic community from the rich folk like mayor Dailey who lived right over the expressway. So called black leader community organizers make us laugh my dude.
The perp of this particular incident was arrested and charged, as have other perps in similar circumstances, so...
Because black on black crime isn't about race and oppression; it's about people living in poverty, thanks in large part to a racist culture that has actively oppressed and brutalized them for 400 years. Chicago's record of institutional racism is particularly egregious. Until quite recently, blacks in many Chicago neighborhoods were redlined, meaning that couldn't get loans, mortgages, etc. Their schools are crumbling and underfunded. When they move into white neighborhoods, the whites flee to other neighborhoods. They are permitted 60 percent fewer polling areas than you see in white suburbs. And, not least, they are routinely treated like animals by the police. Until you understand the degree to which the system in most cities is girded by white supremacy, you're lost, dude.
How can this be?
This doesn't seem possible in a city that has been controlled by the Democratic Party for the entirety of my life.
Much like Minneapolis.
Racist Dems?
Are you telling us that the people of the party calling everybody that couldn't stomach Hillary Clinton a racist could possibly be racist hypocrites?
Before you lose your shit, I didn't vote for either of the pieces of shit proffered by our leading political parties.
The racist policies that created those issues aren’t just caused within the city itself. It’s not just local decisions that have impacted it. It also comes from the state and federal level.
It’s also incredibly foolish to limit racism and racist policies to which political party you are part of. Both parties have their hands dirty in this to varying degrees. This isn’t a left/right issue.
Interestingly, you are both correct and incorrect in the same thought.
It is absolutely a left/right issue, only because the left has made it that. They have damned as racist anybody who has anything positive to say about the Orange man. They are chronically unable to offer any cogent thought regarding anything having to do with the guy except "RACIST".
To say otherwise is a damnable lie. Democrats started screaming about race the night Hillary got her ass handed to her despite the fact that she is about as white as anyone could possibly be.
This outcome we have here is the logical outcome of that bit of left wing nonsense.
Moving on, you say the state and federal government is complicit ... and they for damn sure are.
So if the state is complicit, let's see, Illinois? Democrats again ... rampantly so.
We recently just enjoyed 8 years of the Federal Government under President Obama arming the fucking police to the teeth, often giving away military surplus weapons and equipment. That the police would be running amok in this country was absolutely predictable.
Cops have been killing citizens my entire life. I came for the BAM strike. In 1967 Detroit rioted over STRESS the brutal tool of venerated and venerable Democrat Jerry Cavanaugh. I saw a couple alleged to be ... I believe it ... former STRESS guys just pound the living shit out of some poor hippy in front of the parking structure at Cass and I-94 over a bag of weed.
People of the left want to think that the Dems are gonna save them from the rich oppressive Republicans. But Democrat Mayors and Governors and Presidents continually throw them under the buss at every opportunity while soaking up the money.
The first people to get it right in my lifetime were the Occupy kids, who were stupidly laughed at by the smug, dumbass Tea Party types who were too ignorant to understand that they were all on the same team, probably for the first time in history.
This gaggle of morons are angry, and rightfully so, but they are chumps, pawns and will soon be canon fodder. The professionals among them, if Trump gets re-elected will go to the ruin of their lives for their pissant wage. If it's Biden, they'll lose their jobs and "Racism" will disappear from this earth. You'll know this because that's what they'll be telling you on the news. You'll believe it.
To quote popular culture ... Meet the new boss.
No, it’s absolutely not a left/right issue. Individuals on the left and right try to turn it into one. You, right now, are trying to do so. At its core, it’s not.
You notice you keep citing recent political powers. You realize this didn’t just start right? That this has been systematically enacted for decades? Since the end of WW2, Illinois has had 7 Republican governors and 7 Democrat governors. Yet you just wanted to direct Illinois to being only under the control of Democrats. We armed police to the teeth under Obama? You think that started with Obama? I forgot how primitively armed police were under Bush. I forgot Trump has started the process of disarming the police.
I have literally sat here and said that this isn’t a left/right issue. That both political parties are responsible for the systemic racism in this country that has directly led to crime rates in cities like Chicago, Detroit and St. Louis. That has directly led to the issues we see today. Yet you’ve decided to use it as an opportunity to shit on the Democrats only.
You are correct, it didn't just start, but it also didn't end during the decades long tenure of Democrats running our major cities, but the hue and cry is always about republicans. I'm no defender of Republicans as I comfortably fall into the kill em all school of political thought, but any notion that a Democrat is going to cure racism is specious at best.
Their track record is deplorable.
Nobody here has said Democrats can cure the racism. Once again, I have maintained this ENTIRE CONVERSATION that both parties have their hands dirty in both creating and maintaining the systemic racism. This is not a left/right issue. YOU keep trying to turn it into one.
It’s not just Democrats and it’s not just Republicans. It’s systemic. It’s institutional. No single party can fix the issue. It will take an entire change to the system to change the racism, and it will take decades more for the effects to be erased.
You’re “no defender of Republicans,” yet you’ve spent the entire conversation attempting to shit on Democrats with nothing to say about Republicans. Your actions are speaking much louder than your claim that you’re neutral. Meanwhile I’ve continued to maintain that BOTH sides have a hand in creating and maintaining the status quo. Even if the Democrats wanted to change everything, they can’t do it on their own. Because it ISN’T a left/right issue. It would take everyone to change the system entirely.
I am, in your words, "Shitting on Democrats" as they are the people making claims about their moral superiority with regards to racism and more importantly police brutality. I am pointing out that many of the worst instances of brutality have occurred in municipalities that have been controlled by Democrats for a real long time.
Cops in Minneapolis were hired and trained by Democrat led administrations. Cops in this case with a track record of brutality were let off the hook previously by Democrat prosecutors.
Democrats do not get the high ground that they so desperately crave in this one.
They are complicit.
And, no, I am not neutral, I loath both parties as cheats, liars and brutalizers. You don't even have to look for the evidence. It smacks you upside the head the minute you start thinking.
You both are making solid points, and I tend to agree that the left in general plays the morally righteous game all the time. Being a hispanic, personally, I have had many great discussions with conservatives, open and honest debate and healthy disagreements , but when I talk to white liberals, I get talked down to and treated like a charity case. The white liberal is simply the worst. Hell, Ace here is a great example of what I’m talking about. I love the guy, but I got banned on twitter by the guy because I challenged his believe all women bs from the kavanaugh nonsense. I simply said that I don’t believe all women, I believe facts and evidence, which in that case were non-existent, but no debate from Ace, just a block.
Born n raised in Detroit. STRESS was created in 1971. I saw first hand as my brother was arrested for armed robbery by 4 STRESS cops in 1972 as he drove home from work. That had nothing to do with Jerry Cavanaugh. You are a Trumpster who couldn't take the time, sound familiar, to fact check ur fake facts. It's called Google.
You are correct, in that STRESS was started as a unit in 1971, by former Wayne County Sheriff and one term Detroit Mayor Roman Gibbs ... also a Democrat. My bad, on that one.
But those guys were not fuzzy cheeked, newly minted graduates of the academy. These were the guys that brutalized Detroit citizens without regard for race, creed, color or place of national origin throughout the entirety of the Cavanaugh administration.
It was the exact same gaggle of assholes, now with extended credentials.
It's almost like Redlining and other systems were set up for decades, actually centuries, to specifically disadvantage a certain group of people. Some might call that... systemic. Or institutional.
It's not the guy down in South Carolina with a confederate flag on the hood of his car who marched with tiki torches a few years ago that is responsible for all of this. Though that guy does suck. It's decades upon decades of inequities in housing, education, healthcare, employment, and criminal justice throughout the country that has led to us being here today.
Some of the systems that have led to these big disadvantages weren't expelled until the 1970s or 80s. Some still exist to this day. Those systems and its repercussions don't just fade away after 2 or 3 years. It takes 2 or 3 decades to start to make a difference. You get rid of redlining in Detroit and there is still the white flight when black families move in. You crack down on the Flint water situation and it's still causing issues 20 years from now because it hurt children who have to deal with it for the rest of their lives.
Point being, a mayor could fix some of those issues, and people know they haven't done enough, but small incremental changes are just that. Small. It will take years and massive upheaval of systems/institutions to fix what was not so long ago the norm.
That which is commonly called "Redlining" is simple economics. Banks want to get their money back with the agreed upon interest from the people they lend to. This is not unreasonable.
They would not lend to many black buyers because those buyers could not demonstrate a stream of income sufficient in the bank's experience to justify the bank risking their ... then ... depositor's money on a specific mortgage. Mortgages are mostly all sold into the secondary market now. Nobody holds their paper anymore.
This practice extends to the insurance business because claims are consistently more frequent in poorer neighborhoods. More claims = higher rates.
Background. I started out in this life selling residential real estate in the 48224 and 48205 area codes on the east side of Detroit. My single greatest problem in this life, right after getting laid, was getting black buyers financed.
Enter FHA. The federal government in it's wisdom decided through HUD to offer no downpayment mortgages to buyers. It was not a race based program. It was open to everyone and still is, I believe.
Now sellers were able to find buyers for their Detroit properties who could close deals. The problem was that frequently the purchaser coming in with no money viewed the property as a rental and would walk away in default after a short period of time. That house would go into HUD's inventory where it would languish without maintenance, until such time that HUD could dispose of the property at a huge loss ... typically. Meanwhile the house frequently got squatted and damaged further and slowly became blighted. Many, many houses went through the system multiple times to progressively weaker buyers.
Neighboring homeowners made either the racist, or financial decision ... take your pick ... to get the hell out of Dodge because this was happening with enough consistency to notice. The sad truth here is that the homeowners who got out first, did the best financially. Suburban prices were relentlessly pulling away from them. Those that stayed the longest go financially hurt the most.
Those black people that were the strongest financially, most typically, were employed in the auto industry. They typically stayed in their house regardless of the damage being done in their neighborhood. UNTIL ... among other things, but notably The NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT. Thousands of families got crushed financially in both suburban Detroit and Detroit proper. Thousands of additional homes were lost, blight accelerated.
Labor got crushed, despite decades of fealty to the Democratic Party. But I digress.
The point here is that from the standpoint of maintaining stable neighborhoods where stability is discussed in terms of the condition and quality of the housing stock along with the overall well being of the residents, including financial health, the much maligned practice of "Redlining" would have benefited the City of Detroit as Coleman used to say, mightily.
Detroit would have integrated much more slowly, but it would not have suffered the terrible blight that it is only now taking baby steps back from.
Minneapolis will suffer a long time from this, particularly those people who live in the 3rd precinct.
Redlining... simple economics
Holy shit it's not just economics. If you want you can go back prior to the 1930s and just look at general housing. Minorities were segregated into certain neighborhoods, devoid of investment for decades. Hard to build a nice neighborhood when a majority of the residents can't get a job or get paid shit because they're black/hispanic/Italian/Irish (until Italians/Irish weren't considered "dark skinned" anymore). And even when you do build wealth, like in Tulsa, you end up getting bombed from planes killing hundreds because America was super racist. Black Wall Street if people don't know what I'm talking about. Or in NYC where they wanted to expand Central Park and bulldozed a black neighborhood. Or in Boston where they bulldozed the West End, which was mostly immigrant minorities, to build Mass General.
The federal government outlined undesirable neighborhoods and private banks used the maps as a basis to reject minority applicants applying for loans for home buying and/or home renovations. It was basically a blanket system. You're black and live in this neighborhood? You're shit out of luck. Have a job? Doesn't matter.
Meanwhile, white people could get loans to purchase housing outside of urban cores which helped lead them to the suburbs or the constant maintaining of 1 neighborhood.
This dates back to the 1930s so your personal experience getting black people approved for loans comes from decades of wealth disparity. Home ownership (along with education and a ton of other things) is highly correlated to wealth. Keep black people from owning homes and they don't build generational wealth.
Fast forward to the expansion of highway systems that cut right through black neighborhoods, degrading the home values even more, and you end up with blocks upon blocks of housing stock no one wants. Or the streets in Detroit that all of a sudden end because one side was the black side and the other is the white side. Eventually those neighborhoods decays and we get Detroit or parts of Chicago.
Things aren't "simple." Coronavirus is more deadly among black people, medically speaking. It's not "simple" because the reason why that's the case is that black people are generally poorer, eat less nutritious diets (due to the cost), are prone to diabetes, and live in tighter packed areas. So medically speaking it's simple. The actual reason is different.
"black loan applicants in the Jacksonville metro area were twice as likely to be denied a conventional mortgage as white applicants, even after controlling for factors like income and loan amount." - https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/04/how-the-fair-housing-act-failed-black-homeowners/557576/
I can only speak to the Detroit area.
And, have never seen or heard of a federally generated map of undesirable area made for the city of Detroit for purposes of prohibiting credit. I've never heard of it in any area.
I can also tell you that among my failures in getting people financed in Detroit was an admittedly lame candidate I was trying to get a building financed for through First Independent Bank. I was told that Mr Davis wants to be sure he gets paid back.
That would be Don Davis, looks him up sometime.
I can only speak to the Detroit area.
But you just wrote out this whole thing about redlining and... you can only speak about Detroit? Why the hell did you speak at all then?
The term "redlining" ... comes from the development by the New Deal, by the federal government of maps of every metropolitan area in the country. And those maps were color-coded by first the Home Owners Loan Corp. (a government sponsored corporation created by the New Deal) and then the Federal Housing Administration and then adopted by the Veterans Administration, and these color codes were designed to indicate where it was safe to insure mortgages. And anywhere where African-Americans lived, anywhere where African-Americans lived nearby were colored red to indicate to appraisers that these neighborhoods were too risky to insure mortgages.
It was in something called the Underwriting Manual of the Federal Housing Administration, which said that "incompatible racial groups should not be permitted to live in the same communities." Meaning that loans to African-Americans could not be insured.
In one development ... in Detroit ... the FHA would not go ahead, during World War II, with this development unless the developer built a 6-foot-high wall, cement wall, separating his development from a nearby African-American neighborhood to make sure that no African-Americans could even walk into that neighborhood. https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
This isn't hard. Read.
Because, Detroit is where I did business. That shouldn't be too tough for you to grasp.
I'm telling you how it really went when I was there. That it doesn't suit your fantasies or remain an identical experience to the 40's, is neither my fault or problem.
Move forward to the 70's, none of that existed. It was not a real issue for anybody. It was a disparaged practice that didn't really operate any more. At least not in my market.
I was engaged mostly in selling housing owned by white people, to black people. I was really good at it, because I get along with everybody, except republicans an democrats.
"Block Busting" and "Steering" were two other mostly mythical practices in my experience as the black people that I did business with were very sensitive to neighborhoods. Not very many of them wanted to be pioneers, which absolutely speaks to the racism of the time. Lots of people I worked with would not look at a house north of Morang. They didn't want to be there even a little. I had one guy I remember so clearly that gave me about a 6 by 6 block area to find 4 bedrooms in. He knew the neighborhoods really well, and that little section of Detroit had just the right mix of black and white faces to suit him. Was that racist? I never thought so.
What did exist, was the "boxes". The boxes were a formula for calculating a mortgage applicants ability to service the debt. They were filled out by everybody applying for a mortgage in my market.
The boxes kept a lot of black people out early on because they lacked a downpayment. Downpayment was a big thing in that calculation. They also kept out a fair number of immigrant buyers on slightly different issues. Those people had some cash, what they didn't have was demonstrable income because they were invariably doing cash businesses. From my standpoint, the problems were equal.
So, the same FHA that had been requiring walls to separate the races in the 1940's now decided people shouldn't have to scrape up a downstroke. The boxes remained, but they really didn't mean very much. The consequences of both those decisions were terrible for everybody. The moral here of course being if you want it screwed up real good, apply a government solution.
So, yes, in my time in the city trying to get people into houses, what people called redlining was only a financial issue. To my knowledge it was applied consistently and across the board. Banks had significantly higher default rates in 48205 than in 48224 than in the Grosse Pointes which was a whole other thing with the point system and discrimination against Jews and Chaldeans thrown into the mix. The banks absolutely didn't want to own property in those two zip codes, so they were tough on everybody. The reason they didn't want to own houses in those zips was that they always lost their ass.
Move forward to the 70's, none of that existed. It was not a real issue for anybody. It was a disparaged practice that didn't really operate any more. At least not in my market.
Hate to break it to you, but it was still going past that under different names. Even after laws and regulations were passed, banks switched from not loaning money to black people to loaning them in a predatory ways. Economically speaking, black people had less ability to pay for a mortgage so it's not like they removed redlining and everything was hunky dory. Here, you can get a mortgage now! O wait, you don't have the money to buy a house. Well, that's "economics" for you.
But that's not really the point here. As I mentioned earlier, wealth is highly correlated with home ownership. It was disproportionately difficult for black families to get mortgages in major economic cities up through the 1970s. If you ignore everything else (criminal justice, education, employment) and just focus on black people owning homes = more wealth, black families in major cities have only been able to equally amass wealth for 1 generation! Meanwhile white families have been amassing wealth for 2-5 generations at least. Go back 2 generations and you're pre-Civil Rights. Back more than 4 generations and you're in reconstruction. 5 generations and it's slavery. And again, that's just saying if you own a home you amass wealth. Ignoring the drug war (that disproportionately hurt black people), access to higher education (you should see a trend here), and healthcare.
Moreover, while redlining isn't "legal" anymore, the damage has already been done. The South Side of Chicago is the "black" neighborhood because you can't just build a new neighborhood in US cities anymore. Dorchester in Boston is the black neighborhood. Black people aren't going to hop on down to Back Bay or out to Newton where homes cost millions because they don't have the generational wealth to do so, nor is it their community. It's the house in a flood zone issue. If they want to sell their homes, whose going to buy it? If they do leave Dorchester/South Side and find a buyer, it's gentrifiers who will move in to get cheap property and eventually push minorities out. Which perpetuates a whole other issue.
We started this conversation about redlining being emblematic of the entire system. It may not be here anymore, but decades of its systemic practice set in stone the future for entire communities in many of the country's largest cities. That's institutional. A black guy from Detroit can't buy a nice house in Bloomfield Hills because he has student loans and his parent's couldn't leave him anything when they passed because the only home they owned was south of 8 mile and worth $50k. I will be able to buy a nice house wherever because I didn't have to pay for college and my parents own a nice house in the burbs that they'll leave my siblings and I to sell when they pass.
Reversing these things isn't done by the passage of a new bill in the city council. It took well over 100 years to get to where we are. It'll take that long to undo it.
I just told you that FHA Mortgages were easy for black families to obtain in the 70's. They were O down, with provisions for the seller to pay all the closing costs and the points ... think of it as upfront interest designed to reimburse lenders for giving below market rates. I was there, I was the guy doing the deals. A black purchaser of real estate in the city of Detroit could buy a house with a below market rate of interest with not nickel one in his/her pocket. It does not get any easier that that Jim. That deal really only existed in the 70's and early 80's. The FHA finally had the minor epiphany over people just walking away from their houses because to them, it was just rent. To my knowledge, this went on in every urban market. It for damn sure went on in every market where I knew people.
Now you tell me how hard it was. You don't know what you are talking about, but you want to embrace the legends, hardly any of which are true in order to avoid confronting some of the things that really screwed over black people financially.
But with regards to a couple other things,
YES!!! Excellent, to the extent that there is any equity, home ownership is the only wealth enjoyed by most American families. And as I explained above, anyone who didn't get out of the City of Detroit early, fell behind, without regards to race. The longer people stayed, the bigger hit they took. I also explained how the FHA was more than complicit in the decline of property values in Detroit while I was doing business there than any other single entity, and those repercussions are still being felt today.
My point was that Democrats across the board while screaming and pointing fingers at every racial episode, real or imagined, have done little good and a great deal of harm to black Americans. Detroit schools were a shit show for years. They were routinely looted by public and public school employees. This did nothing to help Detroit's homeowners accumulate wealth. My all time favorite was the guy who got turned into one of the local TV expose' reporters. He had a supervisory position in the school system. They parked down the block from his house for three or four days then confronted him over his habit of rolling into work at 11 or so, going to lunch from 12 to 1:30 then heading home about 3, for his 50 or so grand a year. He basically told them to fuck off. To my knowledge, no repercussions. Do you think schools where that goes on with some regularity are a real good selling feature when it comes improving the value of people's real estate? Lots of kids are riding the Gratiot bus to Mount Clemens because their parents still don't trust the Detroit public school system, or at least they will be again in the fall.
The city allowed housing that they had taken back for taxes to blight. It was an ongoing scandal. I went to a meeting downtown and sat through the most bizarre presentation of the city's plan to allow certain areas to decay to ruin so that the city and/or developers could assemble large parcels for new development. I still can't tell you if I think it was a good idea, as I knew the financial losses that individual homeowners were going to suffer as a result. But a fair amount of the new residential development that you see in Detroit went that way. So from that standpoint it worked like a very slow moving charm.
Now, I would ask you to explain what you think predatory lending is and how it works, then I will do what I can to explain what I have seen.
I appreciate your analysis although it seems I'm one of the few. If you don't toe a certain party line here, your arguments are not well received no matter how valid. I appreciate the opposing analysis as well although I don't buy all the underlying assumptions. It's a healthy debate. It's unfortunate that many here are not open-minded regarding your knowledge and analysis just because it doesn't fit the prevailing pc view. Issues are often complex and multifactorial. If we are ever going to make progress, we will need to avoid jumping to simple pc conclusions.
What do uou think about states like NC that have specific mortage programs set aside for minorities?Does that mean anything to you?I'am sure I'll just get a snarky comment back but seriously it seems that you just wanna continue the diatribe against the evils of our society and continue in the white guilt narrative.
I don't know anything about it really except that it is.
These would be my questions tho.
Do these programs require minorities to have skin in the game, as people like to say? We know that Zero down financing is the beginning of death for a neighborhood.
Secondly, do these borrowers have to prove a demonstrable stream of income necessary to support not just the mortgage payment, but ongoing common maintenance and living expenses. We know that when people can lie on a mortgage application, they will lie on a mortgage application. No doc mortgage processing always ends in tears within the overall scheme of things.
To the extent that the answers are yes and yes, I'm not bothered. If either answer is no, it's bad, for shit public policy.
With regards to freeways cutting through black neighborhoods and screwing them up. Freeways had to go somewhere, they cut through white neighborhoods at both ends of Detroit.
Frankly, that one is just patently stupid. And yes, Detroit had more of that because when they were planned, Detroit was the population center that mattered for miles upon miles upon miles. That design was for purposes of bringing people to town.
Check out Larry Mongo. He has multiple interviews over the years where he will tell you that in the neighborhoods, the problem wasn't "white flight" from Detroit, but rather "black flight". Black people bailing on the city cost black owned businesses their customer base. These businesses had been functioning quite nicely at allowing people to raise families while earning a dignified buck. This was a killer.
Or go see him and have a chat at D'Mongo's Speak Easy downtown. He's a great guy and will talk to you on about any issue having to do with coming up and doing business in Detroit. Get there early, he's a busy man. Mr. Mongo knows exactly who did what to whom, where, when, how and why.
Did you just try to pin NAFTA on the Democrats? Free trade was always Republican orthodoxy.
When that POS bill passed, it passed both houses with veto proof majorities and Newt Gingrich was the speaker of the house. The only votes against it were cast by democrats.
It's like you magats live in a damn alternate reality.
Actually, I'm pinning it on the President that signed the bill. That would be Bill Clinton.
And you are absolutely correct that NAFTA, or something just like it was way up on the Republican wish list. But they could never get it sold to the Democrats until Clinton showed up.
The only guy that got that one right was John Dingell.
It was my first clue in the realization that the word "bipartisan" is code for you get fucked over.
The repeal of Glass, Steagal was another bipartisan fuck over that has done incredible damage to working people and by extension the working poor all over this country.
You have to stop being a racist asshole if you want to have a real conversation.
Here u go again. Lived in 48205 for 20 years. Japan, Big 3 management, oil embargo, block busting by shady real estate agents killed the neighborhoods. Henry Fords hiring of poor blacks in 1910 was done as a way to keep union organizing from gaining a foothold in his factory and keep wages low. He knew how to pit the poor against the poor. Southern Diaspora. Reagan weakened the unions with his firing of Air Traffic Controllers. This is why 62% of Americans do not make a Living Wage. This why the poor hate the poor.
Dude, before you go on a huge rant about redlining, at least google it. It's clear you have no idea what redlining really is.
You should go to google and then come back and explain what it is.
What I just explained to you is what and when it wasn't.
Of course Dems are racist. We all are. The difference is that most of them recognize it and are trying to be better and trying to unwind some of the systemic racism that has resulted from the fact we're all racist, instead of exploiting people's racism for political gain.
No one is perfect, certainly not dems, but the first step towards recovery / improvement is recognition of the problem.
True. False. True
Richard J. Daley had his own brand of democratic politics back then and ran the city like it was his own personal fiefdom.