August 2nd, 2015 at 12:01 PM ^
Earlier Harbaugh said he was more about action than talk. That is probably my favorite thing so far since the previous administration seemed more about talk than action.
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:25 PM ^
August 3rd, 2015 at 11:19 AM ^
Because during every presser during the Hoke era...people would bitch about how he didn't talk enough/detail anything. It was "Fort Schembechler returns!" and people liked that because Rich Rod would damn near give you the game plan if you let him.
Very interesting how perception changes even though in reality not much did (other than the biggest and most important change...the person).
Hoke/Harbaugh basically say the exact same things during press conferences, Harbaugh is just more weird/quirky and he has no attention span.
They're both not giving secrets away, they're both all about the TEAM, they're both obsessed with Bo, they're both selling family and the Michigan way and Michigan tradition, they both can be combative, they both can be short, they both can be funny or engaging at times. They're both obsessed with TOUGHNESS. Neither would win press conference speaker of the year.
The difference isn't with the media or in press conference...the difference is in knowledge, ability, talent, skill of being a head football coach. One is one of the best in the world - the other is a very good position coach who can run a team if asked.
***The one caveat with media - the biggest difference between the two...is social media. Harbaugh wants to win at everything, even Twitter and his social media presence is unreal. He's a master behind social media. Hoke couldn't even log into his gmail account.
from a new coach, or find a way to spin it, because they need to be optimistic in those situations. But the real test isn't in press conferences or practices...it's only on the field, in real games against real competition. That's the only place we'll see whether Harbaugh has what it takes to win here.
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Hoke was owned by it
answering eash question with "Well...." was driving me crazy. Harbaugh doesn't do that. He doesn't need the extra time to think about what he is going to say. And of course the biggest difference is everyone talks, but very few are as focused and take actions like Harbaugh, Hoke certainly didn't and he was a great guy but not in command like Harbaugh is and will be.
August 2nd, 2015 at 10:52 PM ^
Harbaugh is significantly more articulate and erudite than Hoke. They both may give vague responses, but Harbaugh's are quirky and interspersed with eccentric, intellectual, or pop-culture anecdotes.
Also, I would strongly, strongly disagree with the notion that Hoke was obsessed with toughness.
Hoke's constant trope was that we're a great team and if something bad happened it was due to some excuse. But we're still a great team. We're Michigan. Some of you might criticize me by assuming I'm insinuating he should throw the program/players under the bus. That's not what I'm advocating for; there is a big gap between trashing your team and saying they are great/very good. If your team is bad you better be on that neutral ground.
Someone obssessed with toughness would never drone on about "great practices."
Additionally, we saw Hoke parading about each August about how they were going to win a championship and that this team was really different. Harbaugh has done no such thing. I'm of the view that Hoke was too poor a coach to realize his team wasn't good, but, assuming I'm wrong, another big difference between Hoke and Harbaugh is Harbaugh would never lie or pretend.
August 3rd, 2015 at 11:04 AM ^
1. After reading through the press conference, the questions from the reporters are horrible and seem to meandor around. I am suprised any coach can develop a coherent response. With that said
2. The bigger difference between the two coaches is not the press conferences, but the way they handle the team. As mentioned before, Hoke never transitioned from the position coach / Team buddy, to the head coach.
Bo was a beloved position coach at OSU. When he went to the Miami head coach position, he changed his tactic to the hard ass, and made sure to let any leniancy only come from his assistants and never from him (see Bo's lasting lessons). Hoke didn't do the same.
Bo also did an amzing job of manipulating guys to get the best of them. Such as when a young cocky Harbaugh was told he never would play for Michigan. He knew when that tactic was also not necessary.
Hoke probably was great at teaching technique. But his biggest failure was not understanding how to adjust his motivation of players. He could get a team to run through a wall after initially meeting him, but it takes a special type of motivation to get guys to push through the 3rd hour of the 10th practice of spring ball.
I think that was Hoke's major failing, and why he wasn't successful.
August 3rd, 2015 at 12:50 PM ^
Couldn't be more different. The perception, which I think is fair, is that Hoke was evasive because he really had no clue. When he would be asked how he would fix things, he seemed at a loss and it showed on Saturdays.
And if you watched the Michigan team under Hoke the one thing they were definitely not was tough. The single most disturbing aspect of this teams was how they would fold up whenever they got punched in the mouth. And I think getting this team to play tougher is the biggest challenge Harbaugh has inherited.
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
"Those who stay . . . ?"
It's like the summer of '69 all over again.
Apples don't fall too far from the trree.
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
Yet . . .
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:13 PM ^
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August 2nd, 2015 at 12:22 PM ^
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:39 PM ^
Well, not quite all. Van Bergen, Molk and any other seniors who had redshirted were Carr recruits.
August 2nd, 2015 at 10:23 PM ^
I completely agree. Hoke did a lot of things right for this program, he just didn't win enough games.
August 3rd, 2015 at 10:30 AM ^
I think Hoke was following Lloyds approach to letting/expecting upperclassmen to lead the team which was a mistake given that his second team was so young and few of them had not been apart of a winning program.
When UM was rolling our All-Americans and challenging for B1G championships year in and year out the culture of excellence and expectations was strong and guys waited their turn. When it all fell apart during the late Lloyd and RR years I think the pyschological rebuild, more than the physical rebuild, was underestimated by Hoke. He needed to lead the young pups with a firm grip until the program was back in contention and on solid footing.
Harbaugh gets it..he's lived in and knows what it take to build a winning culture.
August 3rd, 2015 at 11:56 AM ^
I think Carr knew how to motivate his players and get the best out of them. Some he threw transfer papers at, some were running stairs every day at 6 in the morning (I think it was Joppru). His style was different from Bo (less yelling and more philosphizing). but I'm pretty sure he could read his players and understood what needed to be said to get them to do what they did.
Braylon Edwards was a hard case. Very talented, but lacked the focus he needed. Carr let him earn the number 1 jersey, and we all saw a player transformation from his junior to senior year. I honestly think Hoke didn't know how to do this. It's not about just hitting someone in practice. It's about getting them to go 100% late in a practice, or during the summer.
These types of articles were prevelant during both the Hoke and Rodriguez transitions so I wouldn't put too much stock in it. I think they are just an easy way to fill space.
Except that Harbaugh is legitimately nuts.
The difference is that good coaches actually know how to make all of that stuff happen.
When a new coach comes in, they will never say anthing negative about the new coach and will praise him. This was expected under BH when he came in as he was part of the Michigan legacy. Under JH, it is real as this is modus operandi as is well documented in his prior coaching gigs.
ask Heitzman
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^
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August 2nd, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
Speaking as an employee and not an athlete, there is nothing more frustrating than when some people are favorites and things other than production enter the equation. It seems like Hoke may have been guilty of not letting the best man win. All the way from favoring upperclassmen, the bizzaro captain stuff he kept changing, marrying shane morris the be the next star qb, to maybe even drake johnson not playing till the big star guys were out of his way.
Honest competition is the fundamental thing to success, seems like Harbaugh embraces it with 'enthusiasm unkown to mankind'. Great to see again.
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
August 2nd, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
Yes, I'm sure him receiving paychecks from UM's athletic department for his work on the website and radio network has nothing to do with that. Jesus, you are dim.
I don't know anything about the subject...but I'm not sure "you are wrong" is going to convince me.
are reasons to explain why Baumgardner wrote any number of stories about the Gibbons case and that Hoke's position in the matter was less than transparent for the sake of protecting the player and the university. But I don't think the writer's aim was to bring down the Hoke regime. Hoke did that on his own with the help of a slippery athletic administration which never backed him up properly even when he needed support.
In any case, i have no idea what this has to do with the thread in question.
A very interesting point. When Hackett fired him, he said he that Hoke mastered some parts of the job and that he (Hackett) wished he could've worked with him longer. First, Hackett's leadership was evident in that statement (a strong desire to make employees better at their jobs) and, second, I always wondered what Hackett would do to help Hoke get better under other circumstances.
Oh, well. HARBAUGH, so fuck it.
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That's the hilarious thing about this idiot's argument: That someone who hates UM football would try to sink the Hoke era.
Solid argument bro.
Dude, if Bumgardner could have gone to UM he would have, trust me.
Says the guy who clicked all eight Baumgardner articles. So you say he's doing his job?