Happy Juneteenth
Happy Juneteenth! Freedom for all!
The emancipation of slaves in America absolutely deserves to be a holiday!
Serious question: Why didn't I learn about this in school? Based on what I'm hearing and reading this trend will continue in many states.
Institutionalized racism mainly
This is so obviously true that whoever downvoted it must be trolling.
It's a great question and one I can't wrap my head around. It's hard to accept that too much knowledge and that the learning of bad things that aren't all hunkey-dorey were/are a stain for kids and adolescents (while learning the history of our country and world). It would only make us better adults and help to treat one another much better than we do.
Humans have treated each other awfully for tens of thousands of years. It would make us better adults to stop pretending that history began in 1492 and that only Europeans did terrible things.Atrocity and innovation are not the sole propriety of Europeans or any other group of humans. This really needs to be taught.
The history of the species is vast, complicated, and quite often extremely ugly. Morality as we understand it would condemn huge amounts of humans of all kinds if we applied it equitably.
But we don’t.
Our knowledge base is still far too narrow and solipsistic. We still are a great distance away from a truly honest reckoning with the past.
History teacher here. We do teach that no particular group has a monopoly on violence or evil. Thinking otherwise is just succumbing to conservative propaganda about the education system.
You may feel like you do, but the reality is that subconsciously you encourage that type of thinking by fixating so much on European/American evils.
Calling out obvious bias in education is not “succumbing to conservative propaganda”.
For one, stay off of Fox News. For two, so what? Who does it possibly hurt to honestly call out the inherently racist nature of the first few centuries of European colonialism/birth of the US?
I don’t watch Fox or any other kind of US news. You should stay off of MSNBC and CNN, bub. I also never said that we shouldn’t talk about racism, slavery, or colonialism in the Americas.
My point is that history is far more complicated than simple narratives we are taught.
Your comment completely ignores the history of how nations or empires came into being. Extreme violence where rigid social systems are put into place. War, genocide, colonialism, racism/xenophobia…these have been extent for many, many millennias. Doesn’t make what happened here okay, but it does show how commonplace these behaviors are and what that reveals about us as a species.
Learning about history should cause us to ask questions. The more we learn the more questions we should be asking.
Thanks, Preacher. But your assumptions about what the teacher does or does not teach--when they gave no indication whatsoever--says a lot more about you than it possibly could about them. You find the occasion to make this speech every three or four days--time for some new material?
I think you answered your own question for why we emphasize slavery/Jim Crow in education in your post. “Extreme violence where rigid social systems are put into place.”
We should teach these things in American schools because those rigid social systems still exist here. It might help to teach about other historical examples to emphasize the point you’re talking about but if we followed your advice in education we’d have a flawed understanding of America’s past and present.
For one, stay off of Fox News.
Fucking lazy take.
Whenever folks like you are threatened with people who have logic and common sense, you resort to ad hominems.
You need to spend less time on the personal attacks and more on engaging people who may have a different opinion than you.
That's a fucking lazy take there, pumpkin. Opinions aren't created the same, and don't deserve equal treatment.
If someone watches Fox News and believes what they say, this means that they don't have the ability to differentiate news and propaganda. You can disagree if you want but you're wrong because opinions based on facts are inherently worth more than regurgitated propaganda. Watching Fox News for information is like watching Reefer Madness for a sober historical perspective on zucchini. Sorry, not sorry.
Especially opinions like that that are created and reinforced by the same traitors that plot with Putin to cover up his war crimes. Fox News is just another Russian asset being used to destabilize America (like the NRA), and you're acting as their mouthpiece by thoughtlessly vomiting up the opinions that they want you to have.
Shouldn't you be ramming a protest with your car, apologizing for school shootings, attacking a pride parade, sending death threats to cops for arresting Nazis, or talking about how the Ukraine invasion is really just to get those pesky white supremacists out of Ukraine? Because that's what Fox, infowars, and the NRA want you to do, while telling you that the humans that disagree are just "intolerant of your opinion."
No. We're intolerant of your intolerance because the vast majority of adults realize that the consequences of conservative hate are widespread. Conservatives are the ones shooting children in schools. Conservatives are the ones attacking pride parades. Conservatives are the ones locking up immigrants in ICE cages and spraying them with cleaning chemicals. Conservatives are the ones that have been trying to take away voting rights from minorities forever. Conservatives are the ones who resist raising the minimum wage while they get richer. Conservatives, because they still want/try (Ahmaud Arbery) to lynch black people, are the ones who rejoice when an unarmed black man gets killed, then they do it again and give the killer some TV time and a book deal if he gets off (Zimmerman/Rittenhouse).
You clearly feel quite strongly about "Conservatives".
I consider my self conservative in many views, and yet...
1. I don't watch FOX News other than as a comparison/check against other sources
2. I don't own a gun; do not attack people who are different from me or hold different views than I do.
3. I don't do any of the things you claim that conservatives do.
Perhaps you mean Right Wing Extremists? Or Arian Nation people? Or the KKK? Or??
In any event, I would caution you not to label everyone who considers themself a conservative as evil. It makes you look as badly as the people you (rightly) despise. And may I suggest pausing before hitting Save on a Post. We might have avoided your diatribe.
All of those groups are sub-groups of conservatism. I didn't say that all conservatives were terrorists (let alone evil, which isn't even a concept that I believe in), but most American terrorists are conservatives, at least according to the Department of Homeland Security.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236
Way to take a comment personally when you didn't need to, while rebutting absolutely nothing that I said.
Yawn. Of course you want to shout down dissenting voices, that's what conservatives do while championing "free speech." Thanks for being predictable.
I agree that Fox News is propaganda, and you are speaking like someone who is also propagandized. You cite many hoaxes in your comment. Whatever news sources you are watching have failed you. The lowest level of awareness is thinking that only other people are subject to propaganda, but you are somehow immune because you get your info from “reputable” sources.
Where are you getting your information from about what is and is not being taught in schools? How about what you are describing as a "bias in education"?
Bro...did you just mansplain to a teacher what they "subconsciously" do?
That...that's impressive.
Anyway, Happy Juneteenth y'all! I first heard of the celebration when I lived in Texas. I think it was more of a regional thing before it picked up national momentum in the past five years. I'm happy to celebrate it!
Amazing the number of people who know exactly what goes on in schools even though they haven't set foot in one.
You don't know anything about my classroom and acting as you do shows you have some ideological axe to grind.
Just a thought, but maybe the reason we are celebrating the end of slavery in the US is because...we live in the US?
While all of this is obviously true..what is your point? You are responding to people suggesting that we should learn more in our schools by suggesting that we should learn even more...Well of course. No one is suggesting that we should ONLY broaden and deepen our understanding of Eurocentric colonialism/slave trade...no one is remotely suggest this...
On the other hand there are actual state legislatures and politicians openly creating policies to shut down and deny matters around Eurocentric colonialism/slavery...
Right: in school we also learned that the ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians - and even many African civilizations- had slaves. And we learned that the Russians/Eastern Europeans had a horrible system of serfdom.
But Juneteenth is special because it is OUR country. We are the first major diverse/pluralistic society in modern world history but not everyone has always been welcome and accepted here. And you're right: a lot of people in this country don't want the next generation of kids to hear about it. It's important that we celebrate Juneteenth and learn from it.
No one said Europeans were the only ones who have done terrible things throughout history. Sure there have been atrocities of all sorts throughout world history but we are talking about American history and to be more specific, how America has handled the stain of slavery. Sadly America has dealt with it in the very way that you're attempting to. By muddying up the waters, and diminishing the importance of what this observance is about. It implies that its not important or your intolerant. No one has said that the holocaust wasn't important or that Africans didn't enslave other Africans and helped in some ways to perpetuate the international slave trade.
The topic isn't about the entire world, it's about the legacy of slavery in the U.S. and in many ways your shortsightedness or unwillingness to give deference or tribute to what happened here, tends to add to emboldened radical conservative thought that want's to sweep this horrible ordeal under the rug. Why can't we celebrate the fact that some African Americans weren't actually allowed to go free until long after slavery had been outlawed in this country and that be enough, without throwing in the the problems of the entire world and the kitchen sink?
Exactly. Whataboutism is nothing but a coverup for having no answers for the topic at hand. We're talking about Juneteenth and America's response to slavery, not about King Tut, Atilla the Hun or Ghengis Khan.
Thank you for getting it. I think people know what the overtones say when they make comments like that. I have conservative friends who test the waters by making insensitive comments that dance on the line of angry Trump follower until the adults in the room stand up and say, "Dude you're buggin". Although he later softened his comments to a more informational context, it seemed as though he was going in that direction and he probably would have doubled down if no one had called him on it. Glad to see there was an overwhelming majority of people standing up and calling him out on his B.S.
This is a much better take than your Mark Dontonio is a joke and UM will beat MSU by 30 the last 15 years.
Tell this to the fragile idiots that are deathly afraid of their kids learning CRT. White fragility is at an all time high in this country all while they tire of “PC culture.” Go figure
Serious question: you didn’t learn about slavery, the Civil War, and the emancipation of slaves in school? I’ve never met anyone that didn’t learn about that in school.
I believe they mean Juneteenth. The existence of the holiday definitely wasn’t taught in school when I was a kid.
I think it was just recently named a Federal holiday
African Americans have been celebrating it since 1865. It’s origins lay in Texas Freedman celebrating the end of slavery in Texas. Slavery hadn’t quite been made illegal yet when the holiday came into being.
I have never met a black person who celebrated Juneteenth. It is a politically motivated holiday, like Kwanza. Also, my humble opinion… Juneteenth was made a holiday to pander to one specific voting base, not black voters, but the white voters who hate themselves because society tells them they should.
I smell MAGA.
Nonetheless, we have an annual Juneteenth celebration in our city, and it is WELL attended by black folks.
I’m guessing you would be the type who would avoid such an event.
You don’t know me. Kiss my ass.
That looks like something, but it sure doesn’t look like a denial.
I’m a minority you idiots. But judging from your replies you all sure do seem like self loathing woke white people. Correct me if I’m wrong
It's racist to assume that minorities can't be racist. Candace Owens vibes right there. Great job!
Ah yes, every minority must adhere to the same ideology, because the white man said so. Look at yourself guy
Yeah, that's not what I said but it's cute that you read it that way.
You're the one that implied that because you're a minority that you can't be racist. I'm just letting you know that point of view is inherently racist and logically flawed because it dehumanizes and lumps all members of your minority group into your categorization. Your feelings on that and what you do with that information is all you, pookie.
Maybe try not being racist? We don't need to "know you" to know what you stand for. Your virtue signaling by using woke as an insult tells most of us all we need to know, MAGA.
You're wrong and just because you're a minority doesn't give you immunity when you say ignorant things. If you're an African American minority perhaps you should spend more time becoming more informed about the history of black people who rose out of slavery and welcome those whites who support them. The whites you speak of have been on the right side of history since before slavery was abolished. Insulting white supporters based on your narrow and uninformed viewpoint only proves that minorities can be disillusioned idiots too. STFU and take the win fool!!!!
Your comment is knowledge enough, MAGA.
People are running around screaming today about CRT, CRT, CRT. The horror! Of course, none of this has been historically taught in many schools.
That’s why he said he’s guessing. I’m guessing the same.
Just because you live in a place that did not celebrate the holiday does not mean it is pandering. Juneteenth has been a thing in Texas for decades. Jim Crow helped suppress the meaning of this holiday, but in Texas this has been a state holiday and a big thing for decades.
I am also not sure how it is pandering to want to celebrate the end of slavery which is a serious stain in our country’s history. Being ignorant of this holiday is an opportunity to educate yourself rather than try and make this political because race makes you uncomfortable.
BOOM!!!!!
If you’re mad about Juneteenth, which literally was celebrated regionally prior to it becoming a national holiday, it says a lot more about you than anyone else. At a bare minimum it’s an extra day off work