huntmich

January 27th, 2018 at 4:51 AM ^

You're getting downvoted for this but there are more than a couple people who are jumping to judgement based on how they feel about coaches who beat Michigan regularly. Last year, when it looked like the tide had turned in the Michigan MSU rivalry, and MSU had problems with sexual assault, people were almost sympathetic to MSU, saying that they want the whole thing to pass so we can keep beating them on the field. Fast forward one year, a loss to sparty on the football field, and the unrelated (to the football program) nassar trial, and suddenly MSU is just rape heaven. Until someone shows me info that MSU is hiding and enabling rapists on a program level, or that there are more rapists at MSU than any other football program, this comes across as Michigan fans gleefully rubbing their hands at the expansion of shitty media coverage of their rival, who has had their number in recent years. It's a bad look.

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1VaBlue1

January 27th, 2018 at 7:55 AM ^

Clion is getting negged because he lumped the entire MGoCommunity into the camp that wants coaches fired because they're good coaches.  He's wrong, and so are you.  Yes - I agree there are more than a handful of commenters in that camp.  But the vast majority want the mess cleaned up, regardless of where it goes and who's head gets chopped.  

Yesterday, I called out a poster (Allintime23?) for wanting Mick and Izzo fired because thier programs aren't involved with Nassar.  But, after OTL and other reports yesterday afternoon, it certainly appears that they are involved in a bigger picture, campus wide, systemic culture of covering up abuse in the name a good players.  Seperate and different circumstances, yes, but the overall picture of how MSU has handled assault allegations goes to the top - and Mack and Tom are part of that 'top'.

Last year, when Dontanio's team was racked with sex assault cases, I don't recall a single person feeling sorry for him, hoping his mess was magically cleaned up, or wishing him sympathy.  Quite the opposite, really.  People here were condemning him for the asshat he is and wondering why he hadn't already been fired.  The only angst was that it seemed he'd be gone before JMFH got a chance to really light them up.

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Robbie Moore

January 26th, 2018 at 10:24 PM ^

Where they have never ever heard of MSU before... State is now on the news. Literally all the listeners know about the school is this. This is pretty much the entire extent of States reputation in BBC world. Wow. Think about that. A reputation killer for a generation.

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MGoTakedown

January 26th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^

This is very true. I lived in Virginia when Sparty won their 1st Big 10 title a few years ago. Everyone knew I was Michigan fan and would say, "Hey, I saw Michigan won the Big 10." I'd have to correct them. But even that close to Michigan they couldn't get it right.

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M-Dog

January 26th, 2018 at 11:36 PM ^

It just happened 15 minutes ago:  Elizabeth Vargas on ABC's 20/20 program, which is doing a special on the Nassar victims, just referred to them as "the Michigan athletes".

And this is a person who is in a position to know better.

Not being from Michigan, I can tell you that many people will hear "Michigan State" and think it is the University of Michigan.

I expect to get at least one call or email asking me "What the hell is going on at your deranged University?"

 

 

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1VaBlue1

January 27th, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^

I've been dealing with this for a few days now.  In Virginia, fer Godsakes!!  Co-workers are asking the difference between the two schools and what school is involved.  Good God, people are fucking stoopid.  'They' rarely let me down in that generalization, either...

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gordify

January 26th, 2018 at 10:32 PM ^

Sparties all over their boards crying “witch hunt” and singing the praises of Izzo and MD. They’re sounding more and more like Penn State every day

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gordify

January 26th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^

Izzo talked over and over about supporting the victims. I would love one of the reporters to ask what he did to support the girl raped by his two stud freshman Appling/Payne.

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wildbackdunesman

January 26th, 2018 at 11:18 PM ^

Local media has gushed over Izzo and Dantonio for too long.

Will a media member ask Dantonio if he stands by his comments that his program has never had to deal with a sexual assault accusation before the 4 rapists were revealed before the past season.  Clearly Dantonio lied and this was not "new territory" for his program.

2 of the top 3 stories on MSNBC's news aggregate are MSU sex crime stories.

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1VaBlue1

January 27th, 2018 at 8:05 AM ^

Sadly, local media won't ask questions like that because they stand to lose thier access credentials.  The beat reporters, the ones that are in position to ask those questions, simply won't do it.  They aren't senior enough to take on a head coach, and their bosses and outlet columnists don't know enough to ask.

I'm not very impressed with 'journalists' over the last 15 years, or so...

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wildbackdunesman

January 27th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^

In some ways the local media helps enable these problems by refusing to do their job to begin with. 

Everyone on this website knew of many of these allegations and I heard a local newspaper guy interviewed on the radio acting like all of it was a bombshell that no one had a clue about.  BS, if we all knew about Payne and Appling, someone in the local media had to know too, but kept the MSU basketball is for saints narrative spinning. 

How is it that this stuff gets ignored, but yet they asked is RIch Rod evil for recruiting other committed players got spin, while they let this crap slide, including Dantonio LYING by saying he didn't recruit other players who were already committed elsewhere.

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You Only Live Twice

January 26th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^

Witch hunt implies that perpetrators were innocent, sadly, there are boatloads of guilt and hundreds of victims.

It is a sad time for an institution of higher learning, a public university here in our own state, where many of our friends and family members have attended or currently are attending... or with the number of MSU families, aspire to attend.

This is not about gloating.  I feel bad actually, for the good and decent Spartan alumni I know, who deserve so much more than the inept leadership of LAS, and who have to endure the name of their alma mater being dragged through the mud for years.  The "Nassar thing"  (ugh such a bad choice of phrasing) has ensured that MSU will be prominently featured in compliance seminars for years to come, for book chapters entitled "Don't Do This" and in general for lessons in how not to do risk management, compliance and ethics, trainings, crisis responses, PR and media response, internal investigations/root cause analyses, disciplinary proceedings, and so on.  

Better institutional controls have to be put in place and be transparent.  If I'm a Sparty alum I want to see anyone culpable fired, (not retired) and an entirely new system built from the ground up.  

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justthinking

January 27th, 2018 at 1:02 AM ^

to put the deserved pressure on that University - once and for all - until the U cleans house from top to bottom. If THEY do not do this, THEY are going to live with the legacy that is now upon them.

Spartans Will - or Will Do Nothing. What is your legacy going to be?

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Goblueman

January 26th, 2018 at 10:50 PM ^

used the 'survivors' as a shield which is just another kind of abuse of the victims..Has he EVER mentioned the 'survivors' or 'healing' prior to the shit hitting the fan?

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Arb lover

January 27th, 2018 at 7:33 PM ^

So Schuette (AG and campaining for governor) just named a special prosecutor William Forsythe (former Kent county prosecutor) as he says: 

“It is abundantly clear that a full and complete investigation of what happened at Michigan State University, from the president’s office down, is required,"

Things are about to get political, in a political  year, with lots of political appointees/issues at play. I don't think people will twist truth, but rather that they will bring to light things that might otherwise stay hidden. Hard chargers.

The other interesting thing that just came out, is that MSU police were in charge of the criminal investigation during the fall of 2017, but it was actually the auxiliary ELPD that reached out to the state police to determine which charges to request against Nassar, and this is what got the state involved. Reading between the lines, if ELPD had not reached out, the state wouldn't have found out (at least at this time). 

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