Irritating but all true. Man, I hate those guys. Go SEC!
Irritating but all true. Man, I hate those guys. Go SEC!
The reason I hate ND is because they somehow think their athletes are academically superior to other schools when in reality they go head to head with us and OSU for all the same recruits.
I'd put Penn State in that same boat too.
Because we're exempt from that cirticism as a fanbase....
Yes but in our case we are not arrogant about it. We simply know the truth, that we are better than everyone else.
ND has the highest grad rate in the country. You could argue all day about the quality of the their student athletes, but that fact can't be disputed.
I feel dirty knowing I'm gonna root for the SEC.
Agreed, but It's a practical matter. We compete directly with ND for recruits. Since most recruiting is regional, we don't compete as much with the SEC.
That's why this year sucks for us as much as could ever be possible. Both of our main rivals for recruits - ND and Ohio State - are undefeated and being hyped up by the media. The clouds over these two programs over the last year are gone. It makes it that much harder for us to beat them out for top recruits.
Beat the Irish!
They don't really touch on the thing that makes me strongly dislike ND. It's the way many of their fans find some kind of religious narrative behind their successes. Fans on ND message boards will ask each other to light candles in the grotto for the football team's success. Even though the best player is Mormon and many others are not Catholic, they act like they're crusading against heathens every week (instead of, you know, playing a football game). The notion that there could be good, God-fearing people on other teams is completely lost on them.
I'm sorry, but that article sucks. I laughed out loud at this claim:
"While most schools are regional in fan-base, ND is international."
I loved the winning record from 1988-93. Wtf! Why not a more relevant 5 year period, like the most recent years? Why in the hell go back and cherry pick a five year period from 20 years ago?
So they're saying their fan base is kinda like MSU's recruiting base right?
I have no problem with Notre Dame, but then I don't know more than 1 or 2 alums/fans. To me it's a rivalry based on mutual respect and similarity.
Go Irish, viva la Midwestern football
To root for one of our two key recruiting rivals is shallow. Every time they perform well it increases the likelihood a key five star (cough treadwell) chooses to play for them.
Please never make such a shallow statement again.
I can't believe no one is bringing up the Declan Sullivan incident. This was a disgrace and people seem to be content to bury their hands in the sand and pretend this never happened. An institution than constantly lets everyone know they are "better" and have "higher standards" is selling their integrity to win some football games. What a joke.
I enjoy burying my hands in the sand. It's quite exfoliating.
See, this is why I hate notre dame. I don't hate them for all the reasons this guy says I hate because they continuously claim that these are the reasons I hate them. Notre Dame is Lebron James writ large.
Pompous, self aggrandizing, country club elitist pricks.
If ND exisited in a vacuum, it would be fine. But they don't, they exist inside an adoring, fawning, gushing media buble.
If ND were to win the NC, that's all we'll hear about, 7x24, for the next year. Look at ESPN's coverage of the USC game. They kept cutting into coverage of a local South Bend bar for fan reaction as if they were the local South Bend affiliate TV station instead of ESP Frickin N. They even got Herbie and Mush gushing like cub reporters.
Are they going to cut into coverage of local bars in Athens and Tuscaloosa? Of course not. They're not "Good for College Football" (TM) like Notre Dame is.
ND hype vs. SEC hype. It's a battle that has no good outcome for us.
However, ND hype directly hurts our recruiting more than SEC hype. So, I'll emphatically root against the SEC slightly less than I'll emphatically root against ND. Should be a magical evening of college football.
I'm not sure what you've seen that gives you confidence we can beat them next year.
ND will be a good team next year, but they won't be world-beaters. We'll have a good chance to take them down at home.
I counter that with this:
He also prevented you from getting housed by 4 touchdowns last time in AA. And led another improbable comeback the year before @ ND. And I am not really sure why you guys keep saying we are going to get crushed by 40 in the championship game? Your people here also said that that USC would stomp us. You understand that we currently own the best defence in the country? Just because you guys got pantsed by Saban doesn't mean we are.
Better 24/7 fawning over ND than 24/7 fawning over the ESS EEE SEE and how NO OTHER CONFERENCE MATTERS
A team from Indiana winning the national title would be good for us and would shut up trolls like Clay Travis once and for all. That's worth it to me, especially if we beat the Domers in September.
that ND could compete with NFL teams. That's how absurd people get when they talk about the SEC. Anything to give those outside the SEC an argument that the SEC is merely a really strong conference and not an NFL division stuck with Div-1A opponents is good by me. SEC has owned the media for 7 years, and all arguments against it sound kind of hollow when they keep ending up #1. A break from that would be nice.
I only "hate" ND in a sort of a "fan kayfabe" kind of way. I will be rooting for them for two reasons. First, I'm getting really tired of seeing the SEC win every year. The more they win, the more all of the polls vote their teams into the top of whatever number of losses they have.
Second, I want "National Champion Notre Dame" to strut into the Big House next season as if their feces is odorless, and leave with their shoulders slumped, their heads down, and a loss to Michigan.
how anyone can hate Te'o is beyond me
I don't hate him, just the media coverage he gets. Very similar to the TEBOWTEBOWTEBOW situation, just to a lesser extent.
I like him, but don't like the team he plays for. You can do both.
This happens a lot with Denard. People in general really like Denard, even though many of them do not like Michigan.
He is a kid with no real background connection to N D out of Hawaii who chose to help one of our arch rivals instead of us. For this I will never like him. He is the enemy and thus no matter how lovely a guy he is, I don't like him.
He didn't even have Michigan on his Top 3. Hell, you can give the kid credit for going to ND over SCum.
(By SCum, I mean Southern Cal, as I am cleverly turning one of the most annoying nicknames for UofM amongst our hated rivals on its bleeding edge. YAR HAR.)
"That could be considered code for, “Our other sports can share sweat with you, but our football is more special than yours.” - from the article, in reference to moving all sports but football to the ACC
I don't hate ND per se - I do have criticisms of the way they seem to manage their relationships with other conferences and programs, and yes, their attitude does rub me the wrong way as well.
In my mind, that statement above is sort of what they are telling the ACC (and what they told the Big East, even blowing up their TV deal because they were a voting member, then promptly leaving the conference). When Comcast starts inserting executives in various positions at NBC, I am forced to wonder if the loyalty will erode over time. I wonder if they will be forced to reconsider how special it is if they want to remain on television past the middle of this decade actually - the NBC deal expires in 2015, after all. They've already sold out a portion of their own tradition by agreeing to play five ACC teams each year. Would ND really leave millions on the table in potential conference payout just because of this belief of theirs? If so, it would be boldly disingenuous, in my opinion.
My main issue with ND winning a title is
a) Future coverage of how glorious ND is will be 5x worse than current coverage of how glorious the SEC is
b) ND winning a title directly affects us as they are in our 'peer group' in the midwest. We battle with them and OSU directly for the top midwest talent. If Alabama wins another title, they may pull 1-2 extra guys out of the midwest but functionally nothing will change for Michigan
Notre Dame pretty much literally cannot do any better in recruiting, so that's not really a concern.
So here's the real question: what would happen if Notre Dame played Ohio State for the National Championship? Who would you root for more, er, root against less?
The obvious answer for us is for Ohio State to lose, but it's a disturbingly close call.
I would think Notre Dame/Michigan State would be more of a toss up than Notre Dame/Ohio State.
By that point I'll already have been raptured.
I think this was a plot line on an episode of Star Trek....the matter universe was going to collide with the anti-matter universe or something like that. Regardless, the results were bad for the universe, we don't want an OSU / ND title game to happen.
It would be bad.
the guy more than his magazine. No polo.
Just thought I'd take this new thing for a test drive.
As far as who to root for in the game, no matter what, media types will still be claiming SEC is the best in the land. No matter how much this annoys me, a ND win isn't going to change that at all. ND isn't even in a conference, so SEC will still be the strongest conference in the minds of most media members. With this, and as others have noted, our direct competition for recruits with ND, a victory by Alabama is the lesser of two evils.
They annoy me because as long as I've known them they've been the snobbiest of snobs, with every ND fan Ive known has been a deranged asshole slappy, and the press has all but labeled them Americas Team no matter how much they're hated. It all just makes no sense to me. They've sucked royally for as long as I can remember, and this year has been the king of undeserved accolades. They've stumbled backwards, bad officiated, injured quarterbacked, weak scheduled, and just plain lucked their way into an undefeated season, narrowly avoiding upsets by a middle of the pack Big East team, 2 6-6 B1G teams, and lowly BYU, yet the overhype fest is reaching epic new heights. I hate teams and players that are overhyped, I really hate ones that act like their shit don't stink on top of it. The press reminded Michigan fans unceasingly how many days it'd been since Michigan beat Ohio, yet we had been in the Championship hunt quite a few times, ND had been irrelevant on the field for 25 years and the press basically ignored it the entire time, waiting with baited breath for them to dominate any second now, no matter how terrible they were. It's just stupid how ESPN constantly sucks NDs dick when other teams have larger fanbases, better traditions, or most importantly, many are just much better teams. My grandfather would strongly debate that they've won "the right way" too.
Not really. ND fans I know have been talking about the National Championship game since back when we lost to them, as though they're destined to win it all every year. They all honestly believe crazy Lous crazy predictions. No matter how badly they're beaten by Bama, this year has been enough to feed the trolls through 20 more seasons of ineptitude.
Weak schedule? I think ND is overrated, but they beat Stanford, Oklahoma, and USC (yes, without Barkley, I know). I don't think you can call that a weak schedule.
Without major scandal... except, you know, Brian Kelly turning purple at quarterbacks, being a supposed racist, and negligently allowing a student camera operator to be killed.
No chance I'm rooting for an SEC team. Living in south-central Florida, everyone who isn't a fan of UF/ FSU/ Mia seems to be either a fan of Alabama or ohio. I'm just tired of the whole thing. I would much rather see ND win that championship than another SEC team. UF fans can be unbearable too.
I had to watch UM lose to Toledo at a BW3 in Alabama. Even though their Alabama/Auburn game wasn't on until after UM ended, they wouldn't put the game on anything but a tiny TV over the bar. We had 5 UM fans there, and the place was about deserted for most of the game (11am local start). Miserable game, my neck hurt from looking up a TV attached to the ceiling, and an OSU fan we passed on the way out got mad at us for UM losing, since it made the Big Ten look bad. Most of that has nothing to do with the SEC, but I still blame it all on Alabama. I spent three years in South Bend and about 6 months in Alabama and Florida, and I'd rather see ND win as well.
I might have to boycott the NC game again this year. ND vs SEC for all the marbles is postapocalyptic.
.......about the recruiting issue, UM and ND going head to head for prospects, and that if ND wins it will hurt us obviously have forgotten the 90's. ND won a NC and UM still got great talent. Enough to have pretty damn good seasons throughout the 90's, including our own NC.
That's not enough of a reason to root against ND.
And yes, many of their fans are arrogant bastards, but that isn't even a good enough reason to root against them.
Me? I'll root for ND since they will be going up against an SEC team. Mainly because I think the SEC is full of a bunch of pricks that use rules as mere guidelines, who pay players overtly and the NCAA does nothing, who think that football was invented in the south, who believe that football is, and has only been, good in the south. They believe a NC for any of the SEC teams somehow becomes an SEC NC, rather than the individual school (show me the last time someone from the B1G claimed a NC when OSU won it in 2002).
They believe that the entire SEC, top to bottom, is tougher than any other conference, and that teams from other conferences, or ND, when they go unbeaten wouldn't be any better than a middle of the road SEC team. And all that, while they schedule the cupcakiest of cupcakes throughout their seasons, giving the equivalent of three or four "bye" weeks between their tough games. Meanwhile, teams like Oregon are playing USC, Stanford, and OregonSt. in back to back to back weeks. And all other conferences play their cupcakes in the beginning, prior to their conference seasons. Weak schedules for weak minded pricks, and then claiming that their middle of the road teams could go unbeaten in other conferences.
And when they have a team like Arkansas, predicted at the beginning of the season to be one of their top teams, lose like they did, they don't talk about them. Not one bit. Anyone hear any talk from a Bama or LSU fan about Mississippi State recently? That's because they lost their last five games, after starting 7-0. By playing no one of any significance.
No, I'd rather root for ND, even with their asshat of a coach. At least their school actually respects, you know, school. Learning. That sort of thing. They aren't just a pseudo-minor league conference of the NFL like the SEC is.
And since the media buys into and perpetuates the hype, their teams are consistently overrated (because they play in the SEC), leading to inflated strength of schedule which then leads to more systemic overrating.
This NC will never happen!!!
I'm old enough to remember when Notre Dame last won the National Championship and was relevant. This was before the internets, and blogs, and Twitter. ESPN hadn't yet become the WWL and NBC wasn't the private network of South Bend. And these people were insufferable then. YOU DO NOT want Notre Dame to win the National Championship, they will put the SEC to shame in terms of hubris and asshattery. Trust me.
I could never root for ND. Growing up in Indiana has taught me to hate ND almost as much as Ohio. The media hype machine, the ridiculous fans, make ND an easy team to dislike. Plus I want to see Alabama embarass them worse than what they did to us, which is very possible.
ND is like that spoiled kid in your neighborhood that you grew up with who's parents gushed and fawned over every thing he did, no matter how ordinary.
In the meantime you and your friends were grinding through life, skinning your knees, getting up early to deliver papers, and working hard to get good grades. And the reaction was . . . nothing. That's what you are supposed to do.
I don't recall live ESPN coverage from a Manhattan Kansas bar when KSU had a shot at going undefeated and making it to the NC. They're just another team in the annual NC fray. They're not our darling Notre Dame.