Early Enrollees
Can finally post a new topic and have not seen this before, but I am relatively new to the board
What is the limit for how many early enrollees we can have?
What determines this?
There are quite a few commits and targets planning to enroll early - could this be a problem?
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7 early enrollees from last class roll back to 2015
29 in class
-7 EE
22
minus Johnson and Hawkins = 20 so 5 can back date, but after that, how many more can EE and just be part of the 2017 class
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August 8th, 2016 at 11:58 PM ^
He's probably had two or three other accounts since that account was banned
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On a related note, what is the scholarship situation currently? IIRC, the 2016 recruiting class put Michigan over the 85-man limit, but several players have been lost since then... If not, what is the penalty for being over the limit?
Also, I remember there being some debate on whether Ryan Glasgow and Kenny Allen would receive scholarships again this season because of the scholarship cap. Has that been resolved?
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As for EEs, I believe this is where the 25 per year Big 10 limit comes into play. We did 27 last year (minus Hawkins) but had 6 EEs so I think that is a net 21 = 4 EE spots for 2017, could very well be wrong.
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August 8th, 2016 at 10:00 PM ^
I think that in the Big Ten the limit for class size was set to 25, but you can technically go over that by three, which means you have to backdate 3 scholarships, making the maximum class size 28 for anyone in the conference. As for early enrollees, I think it is 8 for Michigan. I could be wrong, but I think that's how the Big Ten handles it. Other conferences have different rules, and in the SEC, you can backdate scholarships to years before the student was in fact born, but not before the state in which the university sits became a state.
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August 9th, 2016 at 10:54 AM ^
That was a change the Big Ten was able to push through.
The 28 that you mentioned is not about backdating. The NCAA still allows oversigning by three. That allows teams to account for players who will fail to qualify, run afoul of the law before admission, etc. It also leads to players getting cut or grayshirted. I believe the Big Ten has a stricter rule about oversigning.
You can backdate more than three players, if you have the space in the previous class.
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August 8th, 2016 at 11:40 PM ^
where is AHMIR!?
the whole class could early enroll and 5 or 6 could be counted for 2016 and the rest 2017?
seems odd
also seeing Darnay Holmes wanted to go to Stanford but since they do not allow EE Michigan may get him - why wouldn't they allow EE? seems dumb
how many players are on scholarship when they arrive. There is always a limit of 85.
No one knows now how much room there will be in January. Aside from the usual attrition issues, some seniors will stay in school for the winter term. They count as scholarship players if they do, even if their elibility has run out.
The number of scholarships that can be backdated is determined by how many players were in the 2016. class. There's no set limit for backdating, but those plus the 2016 class can't exceed 25.
We had 29 commits in the 2016 class. Two did not enroll. We had room to backdate all seven EEs to the 2015 class. That leaves 20 and means we will be able to backdate five 2017 recruits. Theoretically, we could have a class of 30, plus more with grayshirts/blueshirts, assuming enough attrition to stay within the 85 limit.
how they determine who still counts towards the 85 after the season is over
Is it the people whose eligibility has run out completely but not anyone who might declare for the draft since that won't have happenned by the time EE's enroll?
August 9th, 2016 at 10:40 AM ^
for the winter semester. It's as simple as that for scholarship players. They count whether their eligibility has just run out or not. It doesn't automatically apply to walkons that were awarded a scholarship.
One of the reasons for Beckman's dismissal at Illinois was that he was pulling scholarships for seniors after the season to make way for early entries. That was an issue even though they had graduated.
At most, there's only a few days between the draft deadline and the start of classes. I doubt many players wait until then to make up their minds. Some players going in the draft stay in school anyway.
August 9th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^
Given that:
DPJ
JKP
D-Caf
Kurt Taylor
Paea
Ambry Thomas
Woods
Holmes
all want to EE (and there may be more), can we allow them all to do so?
August 9th, 2016 at 12:56 PM ^
We had to limit how many of those we offered. I would expect it to be the same this year. At the moment it looks like we'll have a minimum of six EE places available. Probably more will open up, but there's no way to know how many.