Brodie

November 17th, 2009 at 11:51 PM ^

What I find interesting about it is that all of those allegations, save the racism and lack of focus on academics, could easily be attributed to Woody Hayes. A few of them could likely be attributed to Bo and Lou Holtz and probably most of other the corches who learned their trade under him. It's just sort of stunning to see things that were run of the mill in 1972 become grounds for dismissal 20 years later.

Brodie

November 18th, 2009 at 9:27 AM ^

Well, I did use a number of qualifiers. Woody, Bo, and I presume most of the other members of their coaching tree, were all very big on academics and racial equality. Woody, for example, famously courted NCAA sanctions to make sure his African American players had the same amount of spending money as the white players.

SFBlue

November 17th, 2009 at 8:49 PM ^

What do expect when your mother named you after two cops? Just shut your eyes and say "Earl," "Bruce." When I do that, I see cops. You'd be angry too!

bringthewood

November 17th, 2009 at 9:52 PM ^

Woody Hayes - fired by OSU Earl Bruce - fired by OSU John Cooper - fired by OSU Jim Tressel - someday fired by OSU Another reason to cut RRod some slack, I don't want to be like OSU

Brodie

November 17th, 2009 at 11:54 PM ^

I believe the last corch to leave OSU voluntarily was Paul Brown in 1943... though he left due to the war and opted to found the Browns on his return, so I'm not sure if that counts. He later tried to get his job there back, but Woody was hired instead in a very controversial move. Just think, if things had gone differently, we'd have no Bo Schembechler and the Cincinnati Bengals wouldn't exist.

M Fanfare

November 18th, 2009 at 1:13 AM ^

All of Tressel's predecessors going back to Wes Fesler (coach before Hayes) were not only fired, but are also members of the College Football Hall of Fame (though Fesler is in as a player, not a coach). OSU--where your hall of fame career will never translate into job security.

Brodie

November 18th, 2009 at 10:15 AM ^

That's one way of looking at it, but there are others. Let's ignore Woody, I think we all agree he needed to go but wouldn't have ever left by himself. I think OSU's record shows that they discovered the cold, hard truth in college football: Sometimes, drastic action is needed to turn a corner. Observe: The late Earle Bruce era has many parallels to the end of the Carr period. His teams were good, if not spectacular, but there was this underlying sense of decay. Recruiting had fallen off, OSU was benefiting from a weak Big Ten but they were still being eclipsed by newer powers like Iowa. By 1987, it was impossible to deny what had been boiling under the as the team fell from 10-3 to 6-4-1. Bruce was fired because it was realized for the first time that the team had gone into decline under his watch... his 6 consecutive 9-3 seasons were the result of not playing up to potential. John Cooper was brought in in a similar manner to Rich Rodriguez. There was a need for change, not just in the philosophy on the field but in the culture of the program. Cooper was a successful BCS conference coach who had won at every level. His first season, like RichRod's, was hampered by youth and a bare cupboard from the previous regime and he ended with just 4 wins. It took Cooper a number of years to reach the level his predecessor had performed at... but all the while, he was changing the program in ways most fans didn't pay attention to back then. His recruiting classes were insane, he managed to expand OSU's recruiting base farther than anyone ever had. He took the program from mediocrity and, by 1993, he had turned them into a consistent top 10 national program and a factory for All Americans. However, by the time he led a young team to a mediocre 6-6 year in '99 (and rebuilt them into a quality team again the next year) it became clear that his teams, as great as they were, had flaws (especially at QB) and this led to an inability to win big games. He had to go to bring the program up to the next level.

Tim Waymen

November 17th, 2009 at 11:09 PM ^

Fuck you, pay me. Just kidding. Art Schlichter. 25 more words: Jim Harbaugh before he became an ass, unless he was always an ass, in which case Jim Harbaugh before he became an even bigger ass.

Topher

November 18th, 2009 at 12:31 AM ^

"Columbus, Ohio -- If Michigan loses to Ohio State on Saturday and Rich Rodriguez gets fired, well, that's just too bad for Rich Rodriguez. " What is going on here? Why is the media speaking of canning RR as if it is a real possibility? This makes me nervous that "public" pressure (pressure from certain outlets) might actually get into Bill Martin's head.