Draft prospects of M Basketball stars
Per ESPN.com's Chad Ford, DeShawn Sims is only the #69 player who will be draft-eligible in 2010. This would place him in either the late secon round or he will go undrafted. However, what really inpired this post was junior-to-be Manny Harris being slotted at 71. Obviously this is subject to change during the upcoming season, but assuming that his overall profile stays similar, what is the chance we see him back in Ann Arbor for his senior season?
Already an all B10 player, I think he could have POY potential, and could raise his stock significantly as a senior.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/draft/tracker/player?playerId=19229…
Didn't Manny say he was going to leave when Deshawn graduated?
Think so
It was either Manny or Sims that said that they were gonna be a package deal. Just take us to the promise land again guys. The greatest season of Michigan basketball i have ever watched.
Go Blue!
They never said they were a package deal for this draft, as that would mean Manny would have announced he was coming out no matter what. He very likely will be leaving, but it's not because he decided he and DeShawn are a package deal.
Let's wait and see what observers think of him mid-way through the season, but, as most are, I'd plan on Manny leaving after this season. If we get Zeigler or Prather and look good for Kearney or Brundidge in 2011, I'll be happy.
Manny WILL be drafted if he has as good of or better season than last year. He was awesome at the LeBron James camp so I'm expecting big things.
I understand that Sims' game wouldn't necessarily translate well to the NBA, a la Bernard Robinson, Jr., so the fact that Ford holds him in somewhat low esteem is unsurprising. But I would have expected Manny to be listed higher, just for his promise if not his established game.
the thing about manny is that his game is rough. He doesn't dribble well for a guard; he doesn't shoot well for a guard. (to the point that you almost wonder what his coaches taught him in prep ball).
But: he has athleticism through the roof, and he has improved 100 fold over his two years at michigan.
I think he'll be a high pick, because the NBA is all about potential and ceiling. Plus the fact that the fundamentals he's still working on (dribbling, shooting), Beilein is the best coach in the country to help him to work on them.
Don't get me wrong, I love Manny's game and really hope he becomes a solid player in the league. But I don't think his ceiling is all that high. The (very brief) scouting report I read of him at the LeBron camp said something basically to that effect. He's really athletic, but it's more of a slippery, springy athleticism, not a drag-your-crotch-over-a-7'3"-French-guy's-forehead athleticism. Another thing brought up at the skills camp is that he's got a pretty short wingspan for his height, which could really limit his potential as a defender.
Still, he's easily one of the best rebounding wings in the country, and he definitely knows how to score, so hopefully he can carve out a niche in the league.
Kind of like Rajon Rondo, no?
Definitely see the rebounding similarities, but other than that I think their games are pretty different. I see Rondo being a better distributor and defender, but I think Manny's got the potential to do a lot more creating his own shot.
Agree to disagree. (I gave you points because you know what you are talking about)
IMO, Manny's improvement from Freshman to Soph year demonstrate what an athlete he is. You're right though, we'll see. If he does not show a more complete game this year, then he might not be a first round type talent. I do think he has the ahtleticism scouts drool over, though, and think he will be a high enough stock to leave this year.
Its all about potential in the NBA draft, which is frustrating when your team needs talent now.
I honestly don't see how it could be about anything else. Nobody in the draft has played a minute in the league yet, so by definition everyone's getting selected on their potential to be NBA players. Sure, there are relatively high-variance and low-variance picks, but the number of near-locks for any sort of production is pretty small, especially when you get out of the top half of the lottery. Take this year, for instance. Who not named Blake Griffin is a lock to play productive minutes every night next year? Who's a lock to put up 15 a game at some point in their career?
Clearly, GMs do have to balance risk and ceiling. But I'm not at all convinced that they generally err on the side of high-risk, high-ceiling.
I know you are right. It would just be nice to see more guys coming into the league more polished, having proved something(which not the fault of GMs.) Tayshaun Prince would not have been the player he was so early in his career had he not put in the time at Kentucky.
Maybe I am just gun shy after the Darko flop, and the Piston's refusal to play anyone outside of the core for a few years (our starting five logged ridiculous minutes for a couple of years,) but it can be a hard to swallow all up-side and no chance of playing. At least MLB has the farm system, so there is hope that a guy will actually approach his potential while under contract with your team (of course, the MLB draft has 600 rounds.) It is just hard to patient for player development given the current environment in the NBA.
I have the feeling that both will move up in the rankings this year. These aren't "system" guys that some of Beilein's players have been labeled in the past, but legit players with next level potential IMO. Let's hope they give us a great year before they're gone!
Manny isn't a system guy, but Sims might actually be - especially on the defensive end. The 1-3-1 helps mask the fact that Sims isn't particularly strong in man or help defense. And on offense, he might have a much tougher time scoring in the post against NBA-sized big men.
Couple of sites that, if nothing else, put each of their stocks in context:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
...Projects Manny going second round in 2010. No Sims.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft
...Projects Sims going second round 2010, and
http://www.nbadraft.net/2011mock_draft
...Projects Manny going late first 2011.
they both seem like tweeners. Sims, obvs. Manny (IME) is a Jamaal Crawford type player: a 2G in the league. except, manny is a much worse shooter and ball handler. due to his RBing ability, i'd think he'd be a better 3 in the nba, except for his size. so, yeah: tweener.
Manny's a good shooter when he takes the time to get himself squared up to the basket. It's been the rushed, fadeaway threes that have dragged down his percentage. He gradually cut down on them as last year progressed and his percentage went up. I think we'll see him put up good shooting numbers (both overall and 3 pt) next season (especially if it's true that he's been working on his midrange game).
He definitely needs to become a better ballhandler, though. He was not close to an NBA level in that area last year.
The relatively low rankings of Harris and Sims make the job JB is doing look even better. I can't wait to see what happens when he gets one or two top ten or even top twenty recruits in his system.