Countdown to Kickoff Day 23
In before delete
If a comment is in a thread that is deleted, did that comment actually exist in the first place? Let's experiment...
Nope it didn't
They deleted the wrong thread! Damn you mods! That experiment was years in the making and millions in government funding!
Believe it or not, there is actually an answer to this question - "yes". I can still see the unpublished material (I deleted the thread which had no comments) and Duval Wolverine retains all points gained for the creation of a thread. Actually, if you post in a thread that it is later axed, you get to keep the points. I suppose it is sort of the virtual equivalent of a "participatn ribbon".
As a service to everyone, why don't your hustle on up to A2 and straighten Coach Funk out?
You're confusing "being offended" with telling you you're wrong.
BlastDouble has coached before and he's extremely passive aggressive. He might be right here.
I completely disagree.
"everyone reads into my post wrong".
Maybe it's your deliver. And technically, your subsequent relies indicates YOU'RE the one getting defensive.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's just listing off things that he's heard about OL and acting like it's a critique, whether true or not.
Has anyone seen BlastDouble's credibility? Anyone? Ferris?
You'd help yourself out some if you avoided using the word "bro."
It's just a natural bodily function. Everybody does it.
I just watched the entire clip again and paused at each point of impact. Not ONCE did a linemen have his head down. Every one of them had their face mask right in the defender's sternum. Not sure I agree with your critiquenm on the rest either.
On top of the fact that they were working on exploding low and through the core, controlling, and then extending. One time Braden looked to come in with his thumbs down against a pad too, so there was one time where it probably got corrected. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's just listing off things that he's heard about OL and acting like it's a critique, whether true or not. There were I believe two clips where you could even see the feet, and out of the three players, two did struggle with the replacement step being a bit slow, but we also weren't sure exactly what they were repping for and what situation they were repping against.
A great line, and I agree.
I didn't see problems with helmet or punch with the sleds. I thought they had their eyes on the numbers, hands with thumbs up punched to knock off balance, control, extend. I thought the issues mostly came against the pad, but it's difficult to tell where their eyes are. They weren't in pads, and it looked like some had loose helmets (not sure why), but head is still a bit low, but can't see where eyes are.
It's clear that they are working against pad/sled at being covered and next to a guy that's covered. They are working on first level blocking, so their eyes are on the defender covering them. I'm sure there are other drills where they are working on combo blocks, working with 2nd level defenders, etc, where they are working on where to take their eyes to get the 2nd level defender. I don't think that's the intention here though.
Where the one that left their 2nd step behind them. Once they lost their stance by remaining too wide, they lost their hips. But the ones that got the 2nd foot correct drove through with their hips, IMO.
"Remember, practice doesn't make perfect, PERFECT practice makes perfect."
All this proves is that you are literate enough to read motivational posters and/or regurgitate motivational statements. I can do that, too.
Remember, everyone: A journey of 1,000 miles begins with a single step.
Log out, go outside, and do something kid. You're done for the day.
May as well submit your resume to UM to be OL coach while you're hammering it today. See where that goes.
You have a wife and 3 month old and you're "fixen" to get drunk all week on your pontoon? Why am I not surprised?
LOL. I don't follow or tweet at any teenagers. You can go check out my Twitter feed if you would like to prove otherwise.
Nice try, though.
Well, I think we've let this go on long enough, eh? You're not exactly helping yourself out by, for example, tell people to "fuck off" and getting generally combative - dare I say abusive in a couple posts - with the community at large. To that end, Bolivia until the end of the month and please try in the future not to turn threads that are supposed to be relatively jovial and innocuous in their conversation into borderline shitshows.
- You have NO idea what they are working on in any given clip.
- This is a zone blocking system. Offensive linemen do have to react to the DL.
DL hand fighting is going to generally be more aggressive. They are trying to escape a block, not trying to control player. While the punch needs to improve, certainly (need to get the defender off balance, then you can more easily control them and move them), I think:
1) These drills are focused on proper technique and movements more than speed; they may be 75% drills
2) OL isn't as much a knock out punch as DL, again, because you are trying to control the defender. You want to knock off balance but maintain control. The DL, wants to shed their block entirely, they want to knock the OL off balance and gain space to operate.
Now, double blast is correct here about adjusting to the defense. You should never chase in a zone scheme. The way you react to a defense is with your eyes. But to be able to have your eyes correctly targeted, you need to control your blocker.
Here's what I said about it zone blocking the other day in Seth's Hokepoints post:
"So, let's imagine for a second that you have two initial steps, and then each linemen is on railroad tracks. On inside zone, let's say you're covered, that first step will be 45 degrees with the playside foot about to the playside shoulder/outside arm of your defender. Your second step, your replacement step, will quickly follow (don't cross your feet, but your first three steps need to be as fast as possible: first to get position, second to regain balance and strength, third to fire into defender with power) to the backside number or midpoint of the defender. Your feet are perpendicular to the LOS, and now you are attached to railroad tracks where the only way you can move is in a straight line perpendicular to the LOS. Don't chase your blocks, don't stray. If you can't get your hat across the defender's hat, the turn his shoulder and seal him outside, but keep working forward on your track. That track is your zone.
Now, it's essentially the same if you're uncovered (with different aiming points with your feet for the combo block). But you're still going to stay on your track to the next level. Any backer comes on your tracks, you run them over."
So yeah, that's a fairly high level look at it, but the point is you stay in your zone or on your track and you adjust to the defense with your eyes.
Thank you BlastDouble...whatever would we do without you. /s
Ok, i figured it out
YOU just dont know what to look for
These types of statements are what make you come off as a <Insert derogatory name here>.
Not really random. I've been involved in a few threads where your condescension towards the football IQ of others has been palpable. You clearly feel you know more than the rest of us as evidenced by your constant passive aggressive comments (as highlighted by SC).
Just because you've coached before doesn't make you an expert on the inner workings of a given drill that you (a) don't know the context or what was being repped (again, thank you SC), and (b) whether it was immediately corrected and coached up. These cut-up scenes may seem like evidence of Funk's inability to develop these YOUNG players, but the small sample size and lack of context make it difficult to make an accurate solution.
Having played and coached at both the High School and College level myself, I can see TEACHABLE moments in that clip - but would not purport to flame anyone who disagrees with my opinion. (Yeah, CSB).
Your opinion would be much more appreciated if not laced with inflammatory dismissals of anyone who doesn't agree with you. SC and others provide input and welcome discourse on their opinions. You do not. Your fallback response is automatic every time: "You don't know as much as me, so STFU".
So, NOT random.
I know, TL;DR
has a gigantic egg for a head.
and pass the joint please
for the record, good sir. I have not once said I disagree with your assessments. Your delivery method was my point of contention.
That being said, points in question:
There were multiple instances of OL with their head down. I don't like that they are creating initial strike with the crown of their helmets in some drills rather than being head up. Your helmet shouldn't be the first thing to strike the blocking pad - or seemingly even at the same time as the initial punch.
Effort - not sure if there is a big difference in strength between some of these guys, but for a two-man sled to go sideways multiple times makes me wonder about effort. Context - shoulder pads and helmets..and no one was screaming at them to drive through the whistle...
Initial punch - these are not "full go" exercises and drills but the initial punch and strike should rock your opponent. I didn't see enough of this, but again - context. Shoulder pads and helmets.
Move to second level - again, not full go - but disengaging from initial power block to move to 2nd level before your linemate has the DL fully controlled is a concern...but this isn't "real" action.
Please follow these basic rules:
1. Get off ball quickly; anticipate snap count; explode from stance.
2. Keep shoulders low and square, back straight, neck bowed with head up; eyes focused straight ahead.
3. Keep feet on ground; plant power foot forcibly; generate power from ground up through legs and back.
4. Legs drive with short, choppy steps; maintain wide base.
5. Finish block with hip thrust and arm extension forward and upward until play ends.
6. When pulling, do not lean in direction of pull.
7. On double-team blocks, maintain hip-to-hip relationship, drive up and through defender; finish block together.
8. On combination blocks, both linemen start in one direction and determine blocking targets on the move.
That'll get ya through. LOL
more than someone doesn't have to make you talk down to others. That's all I am saying.
SC and others use their knowledge to educate and elucidate sometimes complex schemes and system designs. Although these complex schemes are second nature to you, they are not for everyone. Those who recognize that others aren't on the same level and use their knowledge to teach are valuable to the board. By talking down to and criticizing the knowledge of others, you turn off people to the opportunity to learn from you.
Probably did - but that dude definitely looks like a dick.
Haha still not correct. The top line always says "Brace Yourself" and the second line should say "Elitist Dickhead is coming".
That's actually "Good Guy Greg." Everyone likes Good Guy Greg.
This one's probably more appropriate
I don't think you are using this meme correctly.
I see some of what you're saying, but I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. The two most egregious examples are Dan Samuelson and, I think, Blake Bars. On one hand you don't want even your depth guys playing with bad technique, on the other hand, they are depth guys for a reason. There's isn't enough audio to hear if they're being coached up after their reps either.
Without knowing exactly what they're trying to work on in each drill, it's hard for me to jump all over Funk just yet over a couple of clips.
Who do we think will start at Center for the first game with Glasgow out? I know last year people were expecting big things from Kugler, but I haven't heard his name recently.
Kugler was getting 1st team snaps in that CTK first practice video
Man, he looks the part of a Michigan tackle. I don't know if he'll start, but he sure would be the guy I would have getting off the bus first at the stadium. 6'7ish, 325 pounds and seems to carry the weight well like Lewan did.
For whatever it's worth, I wasn't too awfully concerned about some moderate technique issues I saw. Assuming that video is from the first day or two of practice, players are bound to be rusty after not practicing since early April. If the thumb placement isn't perfect or if the replacement step is slow, I am guessing it will be addressed during August. Of course, that doesn't mean that every player will have perfect technique by August 30th, but I would be more concerned about this stuff if it had been recorded on August 26th.
After the day you've had, I suspect a good many of us don't care what you say. Feel free to babble away. Credibility is tough to regain once it has been lost.
You voiced your opinion on the matter. It seems like you think I should not have. I don't get the logic there...
But then again...this thread hasn't been great for you.
>> "I would be more concerned about this stuff if it had been recorded on August 26th."
I wonder how much of the technique shortcomings might be attributable to conditioning? Maybe that segment was filmed later in the practice and Braden was tired. That's no execuse for dropping technique, of course ... but early in camp it might explain it. With continued coaching and conditioning, I would hope these things start to clear up.
>> "the thumb placement isn't perfect"
Now I'm curious ... what's the proper technique, and what the reasoning behind the technique?
My guess is thumbs up ... and the reason is because that will indicate where the arms are. Thumbs up means arms are inside and aligned to extend up. Thumbs to the inside means elbows are out.
You want to grab the breast plate to control the defender, but if your thumbs are in in you punch, then your elbows aren't locked, they can be collapsed, and you haven't gotten good leverage. In boxing, when you punch, your thumb may start in, but it shears in a way so that the thumb ends in an upward position. In boxing that's because: 1) shearing causes bleeding, not applicable to football; 2) you get max force translated through your arm muscles to your hands.
If you want to demonstrate, get in a push up position. Extend your arms fully, and have your thumbs in. You'll notice that it's much more natural to drop down to do a push up. When you drop down, your elbows bow outward. Less strength and less stable.
With your thumbs up, your arms are more rigid, they don't collapse as easy, you are better controlling your body in an upward position. When you go to collapse, your elbows go back into your body (make sure your arms are in as if you were squeezing someone's breast plate) and can't really go anywhere without difficulty. So it's stronger and harder to break.
So you are correct, the thumb position translates through the rest of the arm. It also benefits you so that you can "hold" the defender, because your hands are inside and your grabbing breast plate and not jersey.
There's a difference between defending yourself and attacking others.
Part of the reason why I like this board is that for the most part, people can engage in thoughtful debate and disagree with each other, without it turning into a total shit-show. Tone does, in fact, matter. Most of the blowback you are getting is self-inflicted. You could probably say 95% of the substantive things you say on the board, and not get hammered, just by being mindful of the way in which you say it.
mgopooppoints? You should have logged out a long time ago.
I see the point you're making. And in one of the clips of Braden it seemed to me he just pushed the blocking dummy rather than getting under and rolling it up. As I posted elsewhere, maybe it was late and Braden was just worn out (no excuse), or perhaps even that the drill was staged for the camera and Braden was just going through the motions.
What I don't know is how significant this one clip of Braden is. I don't know what, if anything, we can conclude from it.
I'm noticing the maize on the helmets are darker. Finally! They're not the neon highlighter yellow they had become over the last ten years or so. This is vitally important to the season, people!
I'm going to reserve any judgement on the O-line for another 3-6 weeks!