Clemson goes online only
https://twitter.com/ClemsonPrez/status/1286018983376891909?s=19
Dabo is not pleased.
Full statement here:
Relevant part:
As a result, today I am announcing Clemson University will begin the fall semester online and will delay in-person instruction until Sept. 21. The semester will begin as scheduled on Aug. 19 with online instruction. No other changes to the academic calendar will be made at this time.
Not gonna lie..
That's pretty big
Does this affect the football team, in terms of practice and playing? I would think Dabo would love this. They can create a bubble for the whole team.
If they allow football, while also keeping the campus closed to students, that seems like setting up for some nice lawsuits to me. Also it would be a very Clemson thing to do, so I'm sure they'll try.
I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment. The only person I've heard say anything about correlation between students being allowed on campus and fall sports happening was our President and AD. I don't think they feel the same way in the SEC, and ACC. Hell the SEC is still trying to keep their schedule intact.
Even Gene Smith at the Ohio State Football Factory has said you can't have athletes on campus participating in practices and games if it isn't safe for the general student body to be on campus. By going to online classes, Clemson is saying it isn't safe - at least not yet. This creates a major problem for athletics, whether Clemson realizes it or not.
Well, that doesn't make a ton of sense. Comparing 105 undergrads to 47,000 undergrads isn't exactly apples to apples. They will certainly have grad students on campus doing research as they are already, like they are here at Michigan.
Sorry Lewis. But if Gene Smith says it is so then godammit it is so.
He also said this That one I’ve thought about a little bit,” said Smith. “I struggle with that concept. When I first heard [games without fans] I said, ‘OK, that could work.’ But if we don’t have fans in the stands, we’ve determined it’s not safe for them in a gathering environment. Why would it be safe for the players?” But we now know that sentiment has changed. If he were not in the B1G he wouldn't be saying these things.
Like OSU football players go to class. Justin Fields was all online last year. Doubt he's ever set foot on campus.
So what's the going rate for being a "Field" on-line proxy?
Considering the number of positive COVID tests they had couple of weeks ago (around 20-30?), the football program needs to stand down.
Yes, the real students who sit in class and pretend to be the football team are going online until 2025.
Just delaying in person classes by 4 weeks. Makes an October start for fall sports more likely.
That can't be the plan.
Peak flu season is typically December thru February -- that's a key reason why many schools moved their start date up, so they can try & finish by Thanksgiving and then not return until late January (when hopefully there will be a vaccine and/or better treatments).
Flu symptoms present very similarly to COVID, so testing capacity will become even more stressed if everyone who has a runny nose, aches, etc from the flu has to get tested for both.
So starting fall sports in October means you don't finish until mid December, at best (remember, the ACC, SEC and Big 12 are still planning on playing 12 games).
If football is going to be played in the fall, even for a conference-only schedule, it needs to start in September.
I'm not sure about sports, which I think will be cancelled anyway, but you are right about what the tweet says. Odd that the OP duffed the titular summary of such a short tweet.
Why do people keep kicking this can down the road like this? Until a massive development happens (vaccine, etc) nothing is going to suddenly turn around.
My expectations are zero Michigan football this fall. Join me on that wagon. Then in the unlikely chance things dramatically improve it will be a blessing.
but that’s not going to happen so creating a new scenario based on this clemson open ended news is absurd.
Worth highlighting they are, for now, only delaying the in-person instruction to Sept. 21 and not committing to online only for the entire semester.
A month from now the date will move to October 21, so on and so forth. Book it.
Insert joke about do Clemson players even have to go to class anyways?
What did the Clemson football player say when he got to class?
How did I get here?
Where is everybody?
Math is hard.
Where is that asshole poster from earlier that thought teachers were lazy? He will lose his shit when he hears about a university going online only. Why wouldn't Clemson think of parents who do not want to be around their children during the day?
Not the a**hole we wanted, but the a**hole we needed.
Here in SC the virus is just getting worse. Most local schools have delayed starting until September, our local school is doing an alternating schedule to start with, each group will go to school in person 2 days a week and virtual 2 days a week with Friday being a virtual make up day. Planning to be back to full 5 day in person by end of Sept with parents having choice of being fully virtual all school year.
BTW, my daughter has personally witnessed football players in class so yes they do go to class.
I’m actually changing careers late in life to get out of the business world. I’m in process of moving down to SC and I’m teaching high school and coaching high school football (I’ve coached in Michigan for about 12 years). We are going to start similar at the high school I’m at. Mon and Tuesday will be half the students, Wednesday is virtual, Thursday and Friday are the other half. Parents can elect 100% virtual if they want. We are planning on starting high school football on August 17 with games beginning September 11. The schedule will be front loaded with region games (think league or conference). We are shortening the schedule by 3 games I believe.
These kids didn't come to play school. Nothing to see here.
They have tens of millions of dollars waiting for them in the pros. I’d skip my women study course too and take a C.
So Clemson is fielding a team full of Joe Burrows and Justin Fields's for at least September? I think Dabo is very pleased.
I clicked through and read the FAQ section. It says every student is required to produce a negative COVID test a maximum of 5 days before returning to the Clemson campus in September.
I hadn't thought about this potential bottleneck. If every school requires a test (not sure if that's the case) and there are 20 million college students in the US (per google) and let's say half of them are full-time, that's 10 million tests that need to happen in a very condensed time frame.
The latest stat I saw was that to date, the US has conduced ~50 million tests.
I may be thinking about this wrong, but it feels like we could see a massive surge in demand for testing as kids get ready to head to campus. It's unclear to me whether the country has the capacity to handle this, though news reports would suggest we don't.
I know a person who recently was tested in Mid-Michigan around the 4th of July. Didn't get results back until July 20. No idea if it was an issue with the doctor's office, the lab or something else entirely but a 14 day turnaround is a major problem.
Read an article earlier that the primary labs are being overwhelmed by the number of tests and it is causing more lag. Source was a high up person at one of the leading labs
I had an outpatient surgical procedure the first week in May. My covid test result came back the next day. Maybe the labs weren't so busy then.....
Pretty certain that tests relating to hospital procedures and doctors visits are prioritized. My father in law has to get one every couple of weeks and results are back the next day. For everyone else the results are running 3-5 days.
My wife and I got tested two weeks ago at a drive through station at the Sparrow hospital near us in small town mid-Michigan. No waiting to be tested, and we had online results late the next day. Testers told us that they nearly always had test results within 72 hours, and usually half that.
Interesting. No idea what would have caused this person's delay. In follow up discussions they mentioned they were told 5-7 days when they got the test administered and it turned into 2 weeks.
Yeah, testing is going to be the bugaboo to getting the virus under control, and not just on college campuses. You can't contact trace until you know who has it, and having someone wait 4+ days for a result--potentially infecting others if they end up being positive--is not ideal. I really don't understand why the federal government isn't investing MASSIVE amounts of money to create a rapid-response testing program. It seems like this would the fastest, cheapest, and most direct way to get the economy up and running again.
I mean I think we all understand why. The boss “told his people to slow the testing down.”
Testing is done on a state level. So which boss?
Come on.
The 5-7 day turnaround some places have now is a problem. That's more of a concern than running out of tests.
(I'd hope 16 days is an abnormality.)
You hit a key point -- due to the out of control virus outbreak in the US (e.g., Cali had a record # of cases for its state today) and the requirement of many employers & schools that you need to get tested to try and prevent future outbreaks, we have massively expanded the number of tests conducted, and now many areas are experiencing bottlenecks because of it.
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/michigan-covid-19-labs-are-again-seeing-delays-more-people-are-tested
All of these colleges requiring testing for a student to be on campus are going to ratchet things up even more.
I don't see any realistic way all these 18-24 year olds are going to get their results back in time *unless* they take away capacity from other people...which I think is what is going to happen.
If you are Joe Schmoe and go to CVS or a public health drive-in location to get a test, you'll wait 7-14 days (effectively making the results useless). If you're at the University of Kentucky, things will get expedited b/c you're a priority client. But even with that, their capacity is 2,000 tests per day; they have 30,000 students (not to mention staff, faculty)--it will take really organized scheduling to pull it off.
https://uknow.uky.edu/campus-news/uk-details-high-tech-high-touch-approach-testing-students
That is true about the Covid test, my daughter has to have one before returning.
There will be a growing list of schools joining them as long as CV continues to blow up in numbers.
Many structural issues within our society have been exposed due to Covid, as crisis will often do. College sports is not the biggest issue affecting the daily lives of Americans, but the pandemic has indeed pulled the cover off the remaining vestiges of the "student-athlete" model in big time college athletics.
All of us who watch college football and basketball were probably well aware of the NCAA hypocrisy, bagmen, NFL/NCAA farm system, etc - but with Universities with big time sports programs having academics go online this year, it seems the regents and athletic departments be fully exposed here - forced to make some tough binary decisions (student-athlete or just athlete).
Geez, I assumed they were always online.
No change for the football team.
I don't quite get how starting a month later will dramatically change the trajectory of outbreaks on the Clemson campus. The world has known about this virus since 2019, and it's been prevalent in the US since at least March. The fact it's just now cresting in SC despite it being the A1 story people have talked about for 4 months doesn't give me a lot of confidence that an extra month will suddenly make college students super-cognizant of good health procedures and somehow mitigate the various risks herds of people in classrooms, dorms, and other communal areas pose to each other.