Thanks to my friend Gary the Sports editor at the Daily Reporter. Kid posted a 10.87 automated time in the 100. Wow! 21.85 in the 200
...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
Not bad for a walk - on. I wonder if he can long snap?
Turn him into the towel-boy-turned-playmaker and hope for the best?
What school does that kid go to?
Union City MI
In order to be considered Elite in the 100 you need to run a 10.7 or mishc lower. For the record I ran for the maize and blue and ran it in 10.8. Is 200 time however, is impressive.
Thats automated. You are talking 10.65 range before the conversion. Apologies if a fast local kid isnt up to your standards though. By all means feel free to post your times pal.
No offense to the kid or you, but the original poster is right -- 10.8 isn't super impressive. He's also right, that the 200 time is pretty dang good.
How fast his 10.8 is comes down to perspective. I came in third in state in the 3200 meter, but I was in A/AA Tennessee. I wouldn't have made a regional finals in CA, TX, FL, or higher divisions in most states.
Good for the kid, but your "Wow!" over his 10.8 time is tough when we as a fanbase, maybe unfairly, compare it to Denard's or Devon Allen's. Perspective.
I took no offense. My point is that a kid from a small school outside of the normal pipelines is a fast kid who happens to be pretty awesome on the football field as well. I know alot of fast track athletes who are garbage in pads. He plays in the all star game on the 30th. Hopefully thats his coming out party and helps his case missing those 2 inches in height.
He's just stating the obvious. That time wouldn't have gotten him top five in the state finals in any southern state pretty much.
I think we're in disagreement on what "impressive" is. If we were all Pac-12 or SEC track and field followers and Chris Maye was a recruit, I'd agree that his times aren't terribly impressive. But for a D1 football recruit, especially a walk-on, an FAT 10.8 is certainly impressive. And this kid is a safety, right? IIRC, he's a decent sized kid (looked it up - 5'10" 170 last football season).
Sure, he's not Denard fast, or Trindin Holiday fast, but, for example, Berkley Edwards, another football player who most agree is very fast for football standards, ran a 10.92 in the D2 finals. Justice Hayes didn't record a time that fast last year.
Point is, what is fast for a college track star isn't the same as what is fast for a college football player. There are maybe 5 kids on our current squad faster than Maye, maybe fewer.
That's just stupid fast. Chris Maye isn't even in the same league. Not even close. I know a bunch of 40 guys that run 10.4 - 11.0, but it usually doesn't work the other way around. That explosive first couple of steps you just can't improve on....it's a god given gift. Berkleys issue is his weight and hopefully he can grow a couple more inches too.
Do you know that Chris Maye can't run a similar 40 time? Fact is. we're not talking about 40 times, and anyone who thinks a laser timed 10.8 100m isn't fast is nuts. Sure, it's won't win you a college track title, but it makes you a really fucking fast football player.
Being fast in football means putting on pads....often times many track athletes don't respond well to this. Plus it's also about making cuts, lateral movement, angles of attack, how well you hips move, and most of all reaction time...in football, that's what makes you a " fast and good player" for a safety. Chris's time just indicates he can run in a straight line pretty quick.
But you know what, I'll humor you....
Chris is a guys who ran a 7.03 in the 60m.
99 times out a hundred if thats your time, you cannot run a sub 4.4 40. Most four star safetys run a 4.5 - 4.6 40. My guess is he runs a 4.65. The OP was comparing him to Berkley Edwards. No way Chris runs that fast with th 60m time he has....no freaking way...If he does I'll buy you a pair of Tix to any Michigan game you want next year.
plus keep in mind that the reason he went under the radar is that Chris is from a small town and really did not have a high level of competition in football. His opportunity to see the field or use will probably be on kickoffs to be a winger then safety potentially his junior year. Kid needs to put on about 20 lbs...but guess we can wait and see how well he does on the field. I hope he does great and think this is a win win for both Hoke and Chris.
I did a bit of research to further substantiate my statements and it really seems definitive. Chris did not even place in the top ten in the 100 in Michigan let alone the Midwest. He dId place 8th in the 200m and 3rd in the long jump. Those results are nationally relevant. I hope you understand that a 200 m dash means jack shit in football.
You do know Edwards ran a 10.9 right? I would say someone who runs faster is in the same league as Edwards. Is Edwards first 10-20 yards faster, maybe, but it is obvious he is not "faster".
Lighten up, Mr. Maye.
Don't get upset buddy. I just saw he was looking at running at my alma. Kid would have got smoked at nationals even if he dropped as full second. I saw on another post he got a 10.54. Now that's nasty and that's competitive.
Definitely glad to have a kid on the team as a walk on with speed. I'm just trying to provide you with some perspective as to how he stacks up in the speed category when it comes to other track and football dual athletes with the "winning times" you posted.
For example We just offered a soph S from TX named T'Kevian Rockwell. Kid posted a 10.47 in the hundred. Probably why he got a schollie offer aside from his football talents. I like this. Unfortunately our defensive backfield is lacking this type of elite speed and size. I think he is 6'1 and 200+ lbs.
While Chris's time in the same event is not really comparable his 200 time is great. Unfortunately a 60m is usually the best indicator of football speed in track outside of your obvious 40. Since we don't usually run 200 meters at one time in a game means this indicates Chris may not be too explosive with his first step but once he gets a full Head of steam he can cook and apparently hes a bad ass long jumper as well. So very athletic kid, no doubt. This will be interesting seeing how well he cuts, makes reads, tackles, how fluid his hips are, and if he really likes to hit, and if he has some ups.
The coaching staff has faith in him, so hell why shouldn't we all. My original point still stands though, his 100 time is very average for a track "star". In all honesty, he would not have even made the finals in my county. That said, football speed with pads, and track speed don't always translate. I wish Chris all the best and hope he brings the pain for Mattison and Co.
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So Chris's time isn't good because it's not as fast as the kid who is maybe the fastest high schooler in the country and one of the top recruits in 2014?
Look, Chris Maye is not a nationally-heralded sprinter. But he's a walk-on safety who happens to be one of the top sprinters in the entire Midwest. If he was a four star safety, everyone would be raving about how awesome he'll be. But instead, you're saying "but there's a guy in Texas who is way faster."
My point is that the initial posters comment of "wow" is a bit much. Chris didn't even place in the top 10 in the state do Michigan let alone the midwest. If he runs the 200 well that means he has a slow start off the blocks. We were recruiting him in track prImarily for the long jump and the 200m.
I have read enough of your bs, you're an idiot. His time would have put him third in FLorida's largest class and would have won Ohio's D1. Go away.
Does anybody know what theu D1 and D2 champions times were in Michigan?
I was at the D1 meet, Austin Sanders of Ypsilanti won the 100 in 10.92 and won the 200 in 21.94
D2 Champ was Kyle Redwine from Aubunr Hills Avondale. Fastest kid in the state and was #22 in the country at one point. Won at 10.53 in the 100m. The D1 wasn't as impressive.
wait for September. Heck, I'd take late August even.
No offense but a 10.8 would have won the Ohio D1 state. Fastest time was a 10.88.
In the largest division in Florida the winning time was 10.52, and third was 10.83.
This offend? But that is good info amyway.
Just saw the other "no offense" post. Sorry.
But those times would tell a better story with wind readings.
I forget her name, but a girl running for Reed City won four individual state titles at the D3 track meet. She was low 40's in the 300 m hurdles and whats really crazy is that she is only a junior.
that's fast. u know ur program's great when u attract walk-ons of this caliber.
I hope he works hard and sees the field.
Not yet mentioned here is that he also placed second in the long jump with a jump of 21'10.5". That would have been enough to place in D1 or D2, and that's a very good distance for a high school kid as well.
Sure, he's not a future olympian, but this kid is obviously very explosive, and probably would have lots of scholarships if he were two inches taller. This is the type of walk-on who could see the field and it wouldn't shock anyone.
Morgan Trent was running a 10.5 in high school.
I promise that was hand timed. And he didn't do that at the state finals for sure.
Trent ran a 10.54 at a meet in Ohio in high school and followed that up with a 21.41 in the two hundred. Also in that race... Ted Ginn Jr, who ran 2nd with a 21.72. Trent was/is really fast.
but Ginn's speed was football speed as well. Trent was fast (sadly had to catch too many from behind) but I still say Ginn is the fastest player Ive seen in CFB. When he put his head down and took off.......wow. Hated him while at osu, lol.
Probably top 3 fastest CFB I have seen and definitely the quickest reaction back I had seen. Unfortunately when he got to the pros, everyone was just as fast. Although I do remember a few years back on MNF, when they clocked him on a punt return TD. I think he was running 23-24mph....can't quite remember.
I believe it was the midwest meet of champions. He did not run in the state meet his senior year of high school. He was the fastest guy in the state that year by far though.
I'm not a huge Mo T fan, but I will always remember him chasing down Percy Harvin in the CapOne bowl and the Florida fan next to me saying, "I don't think I have ever seen that happen before, Harvin never gets caught"
When he was laser timed he ran a 10.7 and his 40 time was 4.54 at the combine. Still a lot faster than Chris Maye. His biggest knock was that his track speed did not equate well to his football speed! He didn't backpedal well enough, was not a good tackler at times, and needed to work on his route running.
Still a badass though and wish we had him in our secondary today....
The Athletic.net site that was referenced is not always posted on by coaches. The Union City coach does not post all of his times on that site. I watched Maye run 10.54 and 10.53 this season. The referenced 60m dash time has to be from over a year ago, because I am almost positive he didn't run indoor this past winter.
Either way, there's a bit of excitement in southern michigan because of this kid and Sturgis sophomore QB Chance Stewart (made a recent visit to UM - word is they want to offer him already). Maye is a solid DB with good intangibles (speed, hitting, defensive IQ). The coaching staff sees enough in him to make him a preferred walk-on. Hell, he might even make it as a kick returner.
Throw out the track times, they won't matter in the end. Kid could have played in any division. He has tremendous drive and determination - which should serve him well.
I agree. Athletic.net is not always accurate. You can't go by that website as gospel.
A10.7 is not a lot faster than a 10.8. We are talking a matter of feet.
The fastest track guy that has been in our program in a long time was Mike Shaw. Shaw ran a 10.39 100m electronic his senior year until he was ruled ineligible by the OHSAA. He also ran a 20.89 200m. He is/was the fastest "track" guy in our program probably ever.
Maye's best time this year was a 10.54 and his regional time was 10.7.