CDC is Now Suggesting to Cancel All Events With 50+ People For the Next 8 Weeks
Good thing my wedding is in *checks notes* 9 weeks...
Congratulations on the upcoming wedding. Sorry it has to be in such times of uncertainty. Glad to see you seem to be maintaining some sense of humor about it.
Dream scenario to cut the guest list.
Agreed. Losing 100+ people You will never talk to again?... priceless.
I hope you're joking.
This might be best case scenario for you. "Honey, it looks like we will have to cancel the ceremony and the reception. So I guess that means we'll have to put all that money into the honeymoon."
but with a looming travel ban, the honeymoon will be at the drive-thru arby's.
at least you'll have a lot of extra cash for the downstroke on the marital residence.
Drive through Arby's? Isn't that where coronavirus came from, mate?
So, your aunt and uncle from the other side of the country that I haven’t met, we never talk to and don’t even exchange Christmas cards? Yeah, they’re getting the axe, sweetheart. Sorry, the CDC says we have to. ??♂️
Mine is in 10 so pulling for us both.
Congrats and good luck! Our plan right now is to stay the course and re-evaluate about a month before and see what happens.
Congrats to you as well!
My cousin is getting married the same week as you so if they go ahead with theirs, we probably will as well.
Mine is in 10 weeks, which I was very worried about until I read your comment!
This is getting out of hand. Domestic Flights???? Unbelivable. Poor kids can't even enjoy Spring Break. Can anyone fill me in on the domestic flights situation? I really hope this blows over in 2-3 weeks. Hope we can contain it as a country.
Sarcasm? At least I hope so.
Don’t plan on it blowing over in a few weeks. I wouldn’t plan on it blowing over for a couple years, honestly.
Based on what? This is not the first time there has been a novel virus outbreak in the US. H1N1 killed nearly 14000 Americans and over 250,000 people worldwide in 10 months in 2009. The media was a lot more responsible with how it was reported, but that didn’t change our whole society as we know it.
H1N1 was influenza, somewhat like seasonal flus. COVID-19 is a coronavirus, like SARS and MERS.
H1N1 has a fatality rate of .02%.
The recent AHA projections predict 96 million COVID-19 cases in the US, 4.8 million hospitalizations, and 480,000 deaths.
The same number of H1N1 cases would result in 19,200 deaths.
That's the difference between H1N1 and COVID-19, in a nutshell.
There is no point in talking to him with any sort of facts. He will ignore all of it, and come back again with the same shit. He only like the figures that support his vapid argument. He isn't capable of learning.
There are still some people left hoping for the best case scenario Timmay and believing in our country and that the substantial lifestyle changes we are taking will prove effective. You don’t have to be one of them but you believing and continuing to tell us that everybody is going to die is not helping anything or anybody. But you seem to be getting something out of it so whatever floats your boat, friend.
Keep shifting those goalposts you dolt. I've never said anything of the sort (I encourage you to post some of my comments here, I'll wait), just trying to make uninformed (or stupid) people like you see that this is serious. You have continually, and repeatedly tried to downplay this whole thing from the beginning. Now you're starting to shift your words just a little bit. So not only are you careless and ignorant, but now you're adding dishonest to the mix.
Cool buddy.
Ok man. You keep insulting people and spreading that panic. Your civic duty, I presume. But I am going to meet your negativity with positivity, every time.
March 15th, 2020 at 10:06 PM ^
Really doubling down on spouting your drivel when possible eh?
The Spanish flu was like that; there were waves of the flu from 1918-1920. You know what's scary? The first wave of the Spanish flu was hard on the elderly and relatively mild on everyone else...kinda what like SARS-CoV-2 is like right now. It was the second wave, after a mutation, that killed the millions of people.
March 15th, 2020 at 11:00 PM ^
There were no vaccines then, though correct? It's hardly similar.
"When the 1918 flu hit, doctors and scientists were unsure what caused it or how to treat it. Unlike today, there were no effective vaccines or antivirals, drugs that treat the flu. (The first licensed flu vaccine appeared in America in the 1940s. By the following decade, vaccine manufacturers could routinely produce vaccines that would help control and prevent future pandemics.)"
https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic
March 15th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^
There is no vaccine for this yet... and might not be for 18 months plus.
March 16th, 2020 at 12:04 AM ^
Obviously no vaccine yet or there would be no pandemic. Range given has been 12 to 18 months, could be fast tracked. Some have said months.
Regardless, that is a much different problem than effective vaccines for flus hadn't been invented yet.
Information and education is wonderful on this topic. But fear mongering is silly.
They are estimating 12 to 18 months for testing, approval, manufacturing ramp up, and distribution if we find a vaccine that actually works. We have some candidates for which we are hopeful, but it's unclear how long it it would take to find another candidate if those fail. And when the virus mutates, there's no guarantee that some of these types of vaccines will remain effective.
Apples and oranges comparison.
The Spanish Flu’s worst period was from fall of 1918 to spring of 1919, with the highest spike being in a 2-3 month range. FAR MORE people died far more quickly.
Keep in mind that the doctors of 1919 couldn’t figure out what it was for the first half of the season.
And medical tech and knowledge was not nearly what it is now as well.
This is different. They know what COVID19 is, and rumor has it that drug treatments for SARS are also having a significantly positive effect on many critical patients.
Plus, I’d like to point out that both China and Italy apparently are not treating people over 50. If that is true, that will result in an artificial inflation of the mortality rate. That’s not an insignificant distortion of the stats, mind you.
The good thing for that, though, is that when you compare medical technology now as opposed to where it was 100 years ago, its night and day.
Doctors are far better equipped to combat these diseases now than they were in 1918. The hope is that it never gets to a point where they are completely overwhelmed from a staffing standpoint. That's something that technology can't really assist you with. Not yet, anyway.
Containment was lost on this thing already. The horse is out of the barn now.
Yep, that ship has sailed
The train left the station.
Whoa Nellie
If your hope is this blows over in 2-3 weeks, you’re in for serious disappointment and you’ve been listening to the wrong sources of news. This isn’t going anywhere, and it’s going to be part of our everyday lives for at least the next few months.
March 15th, 2020 at 10:18 PM ^
The best case scenario is the idiots/skeptics get infected in the next week or three, and hopefully don't infect/kill too many elderly, while the normal people/patriots follow the guidelines for the next two months. At that point, the idiots will be immune, and the sensible people won't have gotten it at all, and it could potentially die out.
Again, that's fairy tale/best case. Probably too many idiots.
Sounds like a bit on the cautious side. In China, daily new cases were minimal about 5 weeks after the 100 confirmed case mark. For the US, that occurred on March 2nd.
China shut down everything including travel between cities. The US will never do that.
It’s on the table.
Only in a very theoretical sense. Every politician or expert asked about that has said that would not and probably could not happen in the U.S.
It feels like everything is on the table now. Getting frightening.
is a little bit that, isn't there.
And anything that wasn't on the table yesterday could be on the table tomorrow, because somebody else's mathematical model (read: educated guess) suggests a new "worst case."
March 15th, 2020 at 11:09 PM ^
Would you prefer uneducated guess? Something like
"[W]hen you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good‘
Because that approach doesn’t seem to have worked out to well for us.
They have a state run media. I wouldn’t trust them. They also imposed a strict martial law.
You can’t believe anything coming out of China. They would deny healthcare to anyone considered an enemy of the state. And they certainly would not tell anyone about it.
China has a state-run media. Like the Chernobyl incident in the USSR, you will probably never get the full report on how many people actually get infected or die.
China has a vested interest in making the rest of the world believe its on top of its shit. I could be wrong but I bet a lot more people have (and will) died in China than their government will ever admit.
Power oftentimes comes from the perception of power.
Unpopular opinion: The US is guilty of this too. It’s absolutely not unique to China and “enemies of the US,” We have a vested interest in portraying ourselves as being on top of our shit to the rest of the world, and hiding any bad deeds from our citizens.
Sure we have a vested interest in making ourselves look better. That’s obvious. The point is how far that goes. Because of our free press and speech (amongst other freedoms) it would be extremely difficult to hide and severely underreport deaths due to this. Word gets out and it gets reported independent of the government. The message to the world isn’t controlled solely by our government. That’s the difference.
Of course. But as carolina blue pointed out, the difference is on who’s doing the reporting of the situation. The US has a free and independent press, and it is under no obligation to report only what the government tells it to report.
China’s government owns the press. What they tell their media outlets is what’s getting reported, and only that, and if anyone tries to report otherwise, they’re on a one way ticket to some labor camp in the Gobi desert and never coming back.
So yes, both governments will try to make things look better than they are, but it is much harder to keep a secret in the US.
Well we would be able to go the Michigan State football games still but not in season.
In all honestly, this ensures schools are not going to reopen this year. Time to figure some shit out parents, and just hope your kids get credit for the year.