From Twitter. More news to follow I imagine.
AP source: Michigan 'very happy' about NCAA ruling that will be released Thursday
Finally some good news?
Here's a link from Huffington Post
From Twitter. More news to follow I imagine.
AP source: Michigan 'very happy' about NCAA ruling that will be released Thursday
Finally some good news?
Here's a link from Huffington Post
I wonder if this has anything to do with Dee Hart saying the whole " we'll find out soon" or "we'll see soon" thing?
Hopefully that is the case, but I think he might be talking about the rest of the season.
I wonder if this has anything to do with Dee hart and his comments about his commitment?
The punishment has pretty much been agreed to and it will not impact the football program or players beyond that. As far as the Free Press is concerned, they did the right thing. Had the infraction not been reported, more serious violations may have occurred and the punishment much more severe.
I narc on my friends when they jay walk. It keeps them from becoming child molesters.
They say jaywalking is the gateway crime.
+1000 if I could.
its been about two weeks since ive actually enjoyed reading a post on here. Thank you sir
I agree Some good news is nice. It sucks that good news comes from punishment but I will take it.
Mike Rosenberg's Mom
I bet $12 million dollars you either:
a) Work for the freep
b) Sleep with rosennutz
b) Sleep with sharp
d) Kind of suck a little bit
e) All of the above
What is E for 1000 Alex. and uhhh gimme ape tit for 200.
ANN ARBOR, Mich. -- The NCAA has concluded that Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez did not fail to promote an atmosphere of compliance, a previous allegation that the school challenged, a source close to the situation said Wednesday night.
The NCAA will reveal its finding as early as Thursday, the source said. The NCAA will also announce if Michigan's self-imposed penalties for admitted excessive football-related hours and excessive coaches were acceptable.
While the source did not reveal specifics of those findings, the person said the results were "positive news for Michigan football."
Should I know who Larry Lage is? Never heard of him.
Edit: NM... OP provided a link.
He's the Associated Press writer for southeastern Michigan. General sports reporter. He's been around the block and probably knows a lot of people -- dollars to doughnuts that his "source" is Dave Brandon.
Brandon wants to get some good news out but knows the school can't officially say anything before the NCAA ruling, and I doubt anyone else under Brandon the athletic department would risk going to an AP reporter with a comment.
And, it is funny how, exactly, this news has broken. It is, I think, a poke in the eye to the Free Press. For someone like Brandon (or, MUCH more likely, somebody who is very trusted, at Brandon's direction, along with a second source for Lage's security and confrimation) to do this, is completely deliberate.
The Freep has prided itself on this being "their" story. And now, the AP gets first dibs!
If you wanted to go to the mainstream print press, and you wanted to go around the Freep, this is exactly how you would do it.
Larry Lage is, as already indicated, the general Detroit sports stringer for the AP. His office is downtown. Naturally, he does Michigan coverage as part of his gig. But he also does the Tigers, Lions, Red Wings, Pistons, MSU/Michigan Department of Corrections, etc. So he's not exactly a U-M beat reporter. His getting this story is a message.
And if you read the Freep's now-posted version of this story, they do the humiliating thing of acknowledging that they basically heard about this story by reading it themselves, from the AP. [Here's how you tell; the Freep acknowledges the AP report in its own story, and Rosenberg and Snyder simply say, "the Free Press has learned..." about this new break in the story. They don't say, "A source has disclosed to the Free Press, on condition of thus-and-such..." Because they don't have a source. Except perhaps a panicked call to Bruce Madej's office, after getting scooped, to ask, "Is it true? Do you have the report with plans to release it tomorrow?" It may even be that the Free Press was just one on a long list of the usual press pool on an email list to have gotten notice of a press conference and/or release tomorrow, as a courtesy. In any event, the Free Press got deliberately scooped, complete with the "We're very happy" quote going to the AP and not Rosenberg or Snyder. Who are probably pretty unhappy.]
Well played, Mr. Brandon. Very well played, sir.
Agreed 100 percent. First thing I thought of when Lage got the story. Tomorrow he'll write something about the Tigers hot stove season and we'll LOL another round.
But, i dont think any of them called Madej. I really dont. I've scooped people before and seen them use the 'we learned' schitck and its just from reading my article. I have a petty side too and have checked into it and was able to reasonably conclude. I'm not proud to be so paranoid and petty like that, but hey its a scavenger's business. Thank God I burned out while I was still young
Because I should make it clear; I don't know if anybody talked to Madej. I was just positing examples, hypotheticals.
For those who don't know, Bruce is a fantastic guy, who has been Michigan's functional Sports Information Director for about 25 or 30 years, after Will Perry, even though I don't think Michigan ever used the generic term "Sports Information Director."
I meant to take no liberties with Bruce Madej's good, unblemished name.
I do know, for a fact, that it was Bruce who was called by Rosenberg to request an immediate meeting on the Friday before the Saturday (online) publication of the infamous Sunday Free Press story of August 30, 2009. Rosenberg and Bruce have both confirmed it to me. Not that Bruce had any substantive involvement in the story. He had none, of course. Rosenberg and Snyder just went to Bruce to lay it out what they were going to publish and ask, uh, for the University's "comment." Right. 36 hours before publication. On a Friday. One week before the start of the season. So that they could publish the line that "the University was asked for comment, and said only..." Blah blah blah.
Many thanks, jamiemac, for prompting that clarification on my part, for Bruce Madej's benefit.
At 9:15 pm, the Rosenberg and Snyder re-wrote their story. Presumably, after they had been reading MGoBlog and the rest of the intertubes.
The updated, rewritten story included the claim that their information was based on what "sources told the Free Press." Of course, the AP had reported it three hours earlier, and even in the rewritten story, Rosenberg and Snyder acknowledged the earlier AP and ESPN stories.
They don't have to answer to anybody but the voters.
Then changed his name b/c he likes alliteration
I pray for some good news!!!!
mischievous badger. I like my NCAA in a tuxedo t-shirt, cuz it's serious, but it's here to party.
negative recruiting ...
Link from yahoo:
Larry is an AP sportswriter who covers Michigan football.....
Can't imagine them giving us less than what we recommended, so I would have to think that we are getting exactly what we recommended.
Maybe they are also calling pass interference on our failed 2pt conversion vs. MSU in 1990.
And ruling that the clock expired before Smoker spiked the ball in 2001.
ruling Troy Smith ineligible for payments received.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point there is no chance to avoid a "major violation". I mean, can the NCAA say, well the initial report was a bunch of BS, and everyone over reacted, lets give them a slap on the wrist? I'm assuming the answer is no. In which case the reasons we have to be happy are 1) that the challenged charge was not upheld, or 2) the penalties are not severe.
Anyone have some insight into this?
My understanding is we had 5 major violations. We challenged 1 saying it wasn't a violation (the one about RR not having control). That means we should automatically get 4 major violations with the possibility of a 5th. We self-imposed santions that were pretty standard, but there is always a chance they add more.
If we are "very happy", my guess is that the 5th violation is gone and no more sanctions were added.
I would assume, since the rumor is good news, a third option: the NCAA was satisfied with Michigan's self-imposed penalties or they were mostly satisfied and only tacked on a little bit more.
Michigan admitted to four major violations already, and challenged a fifth. The challenge is important because it was personal to RR, that he personally failed to create an atmosphere of compliance.
We already admitted to four "major violations", and imposed penalties on ourselves. So yeah, there is no chance that they say "even though you admitted to these violations there were none."
We disputed the 5th violation.
A ruling we are happy with surely means that they accept our self-imposed penalties and will not argue with us on the 5th "RR failed to promote an atmosphere of compliance" issue.
edit: too slow, sorry for the redundancy
Let's just hope the source isn't someone that hates RR. He'd be very happy with 10 years of probation and a 50 scholarship reduction.
Will they say that Michigan was too severe with their own punishment? That would be great news.....I think they will also say that Demar Dorcey can play and NOT even go to school!
This is HUGE, and in some ways is bigger than anything Michigan does on the field the rest of the year. Had Michigan found to be "promoting an atmosphere of non-compliance," a finding Michigan challenged, It could have lead to serious sanctions, and a black mark that is darker than any loss.
Don't know if I totally agree with that - I believe most people felt that the punishment we gave ourselves fit the crime. I would have been very surprised and incredibly disappointed had the NCAA done anything more than some very minor slap on the wrist beyond the self-imposed penalty. As you know, there was excellent legal counsel, versed in these matters, representing the University. The self-directed punishment accrued from advice of counsel skilled in advising violating institutions how to deal with the problem. Additionally, we already paid the price for the indiscretions via a ton of bad press.
Losing a bunch of games, on the other hand, will now add RichRod's job security to the equation, way beyond what it is already. This, more than anything, would have a highly negative impact should a recruit not think RichRod will be here.
I'm hoping they tell us that Angry Michigan Hating God is an NCAA creation, and that he is leaving Ann Arbor forever. Next stop, East Lansing.
You guys have got to stop blaming God when it is obvious that it is Satan behind all this bad stuff.....No doubt Jim Tressel sold his soul for all this to happen to us to Satan....
That story is outrageous and unfounded. Cleary, the true story is that Jim Tressel was born as a demon during a blood orgy involving golden pants and the sacrifice of Brutus Buckeye to destroy the Michigan program.
I approve this message.
Satan coaches 'Bama.
What appear to be some good news.
Stay away Angry Michigan NCAA Violation Avoidance Hating God.
This sounds like good news, but I'll still have to put up with various Sparty types saying "MAJOR VIOLATIONS, huh, huh!" for a few years. @#$%ing adjectives ...
Its a major violation to care what they think/say.
Sneezing is a major offense to the NCAA.
Because the losing will keep rr's job status uncertain. That is what is hurting the recruiting more than anything else.
if everything goes fine, +1s for everyone!
you mean I'll only be -47? I'm sure I'll find a way to lose that extra point!
I'm sure if it's good news for UofM, Valenti will still find a way slam Michigan. They will spend 2+ hours breaking it all down. Anything to avoid talking about how his Spartans forgot there was a game in Iowa last Saturday.
don't forget rosenberg.
You have captured the essence of Michael dumbass Valenti.
If Michigan gets the self-imposed slap on the wrist it almost deserves, it may quiet some of the anti-RR sentiment among the "fans" and MSM. Self-imposed penalties, followed by wins against Illinois and Purdue, would go a long way toward restoring maturity and sanity to many among the fanbase.
And it would make a couple of "writers" at the Freep instantly go from midnight to six.
For some reason I get the feeling that the result of Saturday's game will shape some people's opinion on the NCAA ruling. It shouldn't be the case, but I'd imagine its hard to decouple for some.
... this wins the internet. +1000000
Not only did Lage go to MSU, but he served a stint as Sparty. Yes, he worked as the mascot.
If we finish anything worse than 2-2 it won't make much of a difference what they announce tomorrow, at least from RR's perspective.
Illinois and Purdue are Must Win Games! Illinois at Home and a crappy Purdue team on the road. 7-5 is a good season with the shit that we have been dealt on the defense. Youth will only develop and get better and playing time will definetly force some kids to grow up.
You should probably work on your satirical or reading comprehension skills.
This really is not a big deal. We were only appealing one of the five violations, and even if the appeal is rejected, we're not looking at much in the way of sanctions. People have been getting too worked up about this.
People have gotten worked up about this because they thought that the charges themselves were serious, that RR might be some sort of wild outlaw, and because they thought that Michigan could be getting into some monstrous sanctions.
That's all incorrect; clearly, you know better, and you're right of course. People who thought those things were getting "too worked up."
The basic allegations, while "Major" in NCAA-speak, were some minor crap. And, importantly, NOTHING like what the Freep alleged.
Still, for some mostly-illegitimate reasons, people were getting worked up.
This will be a very, very big deal tomorrow for these (expected) reasons:
Because remember -- the idea behind the Rosenberg/Snyder story of August 2009 wasn't to get after the Athletic Department's faceless functionaries about their overdue paperwork. It was intended to attack the character of Rich Rodriguez and, don't forget, the character of Mike Barwis. Complete with scowling photo of Barwis and much mention of his name and his personal style. Nevermind that Barwis was virtually a non-entity in any violations by the time the NCAA completed its investigation. Rosenberg specifically wanted to imply that Rodriguez and Barwis were a couple of merciless hillbilly mafia hardasses who were playing fast and loose with Michigan's great tradition as a clean program. We now know that was a lie.
So yeah, for all those reasons, the final report is huge.
Fuck you, Rosenberg. Fuck you, Snyder. And fuck the Free Press.
But it somehow feels un-American to approve a post that ends with "fuck the Free Press." I would feel so much better if the word Detroit were in there...
I was born in Detroit. I love the free press. And I loathe the Free Press.
Here is a link from sports illustrated
NCAA ruling AND two UFRs tomorrow probably means I should get off the Mgoboard now and do some work because just about nothing's getting done tomorrow.
I am just waiting for the first mgoboard post about opinions on whether the NCAA rulings will help determine the fate of RR when everything that can be said at this point can clearly be commented in this thread.
Then I am imagining Geaux_Blue writing the first comment
Sad. Sure I am glad we aren't going to get whacked USC-style, but c'mon. I don't think I can consider it a good day for Michigan when we are found guilty of NCAA infractions. I can't see myself wandering around bragging to my friends from other schools tomorrow.
We have been found guilty for some time now, hence the self-imposed sanctions.
I think any news along the lines of the NCAA accepting/reducing the self-imposed sanctions and/or convinced that RR did actually promote an atmoshpere of compliance, can be considered good news, but no it is certainly nothing to write home about.
Or "forehead off desk".
"So that's the way it's done. God damn that Mike Garrett!"."
The firm, steady (and some have said pimp) hand of David Brandon getting us across the river safe and dry. Absolutely Rich Rodriguez can win big with a guy like that on his side. They'll get it right. Maybe we'll get to see that synergy in action long-term. The opportunity is there starting Saturday.
Illinois is nut cuttin' time. Fired up.
Is the NCAA forcing Jon Gruden to become our Defensive Coordinator? That sounds like the hap-hap-happiest news I could receive, like, ever.
that guy makes chicken soup out of chicken shit better than anyone I've ever seen. Our secondary would put all of his skills to the greatest test.
If he turned our D around, he could retire as there would be no greater challenge he could accomplish.
It's not the sneezing that is the major violation. It's the sneezing around potential recruits.
Have you seen the freep headline/article regarding this? They make NO mention of UM being "happy" about the outcome, like EVERY other newssource has done, and their article rehashes in great detail what UM is being accused of...God what fucking assholes!
Agreed. What the freep says now is irrelevant. They are about to lose whatever shred of credibility they had remaining. They were the sole source of this story and I'm sure that will be pointed out in the next few days. Let the shame and embarrassment commence. The NCAA has spoken.
I love Short's and can't wait for it to come to Chicago full-time. Sorry but I am going to have to do something similar with the Huma. I have been looking for the perfect icon and I think I've found it.
The timing of this will be excellent - offsetting the negative vibe off the PSU debacle - especially in the eyes of recruits. Beat Illinois and this roller coaster is heading back up fast.
At what point does SixZero put together a "Keep Calm and Carry on" Shirt with a profile illustration of David Brandon on the back?
Gotta give mad props to everyone in the AD that obviously did a thorough job at getting the facts and presenting them so any potential damage to the school would be minimized. You know that everyone has learned from this and that it won't be repeated.
The total focus can now return to the field and figuring out ways to beat Illinois, Purdue, Wisconsin, and most importantly Ohio State.
This news feels like it does on a cold, cloudy day at Michigan Stadium when the sun suddenly pops out and warms us all up 20 degerees!
Time to look forward - all the negatives about this story need to be buried at 615 West Lafayette Blvd and left there. Acknowledge that it happened, admit it wasn't a proud moment, and move on.
his first good nights sleep since last year and our players relax and just play football.
I am excited about any good news, no matter how small it might be.
Good job by Michigan getting a jump on the news cycle. They're not letting the Freeps of the world frame the story in a negative way.
Most of us were pretty sure this would happen but to have it actually happen is a huge sigh of relief. One thing that we as a fanbase and Michigan football doesnt have to worry about anymore. I like to think the team plays pretty loose now and sees if they can save coaches job starting Saturday.
According to AP -- as you probably expected -- the "happy" part means that the NCAA has dropped the alleged violation against Rodriguez:
ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — The NCAA has dropped a charge directed at Michigan football coach Rich Rodriguez, a person with knowledge of the ruling has told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one is permitted to comment on the case until the sports governing body announces its decision on Thursday.
This is it. The final slapdown to the Free Press.
For anybody who hasn't done so, (ick -- this would require clicking on a Freep.com link) it is really worth going back to read the original story. The passage of time, and the facts of the real investigation that the NCAA and Michigan did together, as opposed to the bullshit conducted by Rosenberg, makes it easy to forget that the original story was a real, personalized hit-piece on Rodriguez and Barwis. Re-reading it is astonishing.
Edit. -- Add this; remember now all of the baloney associated with fears that the NCAA's West Virgina investigation somehow meant that Rodriguez was going to be found to be some sort of unprecedented multi-insititution renegade. That both Michigan and WVU would somehow be pulled into the void, all because of Rich Rod.
Garbage. Done. Finito.
Would it be "bing-fucking-o?" To me, having the letter g before the hyphen screws up the pronunciation. I think "bin-fucking-go" works better.
Man, I've already taken this too far.
However you'd like it. Tonight, I'm buyin'.
Cheers. Here's to good news. And more of it, please.
Now that the investigation has concluded and what Rosenberg/Snyder found is pretty much BS, could the University sue the Free Press for Libel and/or Slander? I know these suits rarely rule in favor of the plaintiff, but do you think it would be a case worth pursuing?
But this is a good time to recall the observation of Ray Donovan, the former Secretary of Labor who was acquitted by a jury on fraud and larceny charges who asked, on his way out of a New York courthouse, "Which office do I go to, to get my reputation back?"
Basically, Rich Rodriguez is a public figure under New York Times v. Sullivan, and not merely a public figure but an employee of a state university. The story concerned his acts in connection with his public office, and the story did not constitute allegations of anything that, if false, would constitute any actionable defamation per se. It would be impossible to prove the requisite "malice" on the part of Rosenberg and the Free Press.
This was journalistic malpractice on the part of Rosenberg. But a defamation action would never even be filed by any serious-minded attorney.
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm a journalist familiar with the laws of libel and slander and I'm quite certain it wouldn't apply here.
Their problem -- or at least they could argue that this was their problem -- was that they didn't understand the definition of countable practice hours vs. noncountable ones. That's pretty damn negligent when reporting a huge story like they claimed this one was, and that was where they turned out to be functionally wrong.
But to be guilty of libel, it has to be proved that you knowingly reported harmful and incorrect information. I'm not saying they didn't know there were inaccuracies, but nobody could ever prove it.
And great point on the "reputation" line, Section 1. You and I seem to share many similar views on this particular issue.
Thanks to both of you guys for your perpective.
They definitely called. Called lots of people and got lots of no comments. They had to or the editors would have been pissed.
Either way the Freep has egg on its face.
There we go! Things are shaping back up again. Let's not forget that we were still ranked in the top 25 last week. Considering MSU and Iowa are both solid teams this year, we really only have 1 kinda bad loss, and that was on the road...in a challenging environment...for a night game "white out." We still win 2 more games (at least) this year, plus a bowl win. That leaves our guys at 8-5, with the most negative of the violations overturned. If you told me at the start of the year that that is how things would end up, I would have probably been good with that. For what it's worth, I think the recruits are going to be good with that too!
Yes the University, team, fans, and basically anyone not employed by the Freep should be happy, but let's not forget the victims in this all - the student-athletes who were asked to stretch up to an additional 20 minutes every couple of days during the offseason. Their, um, lack of pain because of prompt and thorough post-practice stretching should not be forgotten.
Although I am new to the board, I knew from the beginning that the Free Press was climbing up the wrong tree. Maybe now, Rich Rod can get on to coaching. This of coruse is without having the fear of having undedicated players run to the Free Press before they run to the compliance office or office of the Ombudsman at the University. Such a shame the University had to go through this and I encourage everyone to be active and call the Free Press and voice your disgust.
3-1 in final four games. Decent bowl game. C. Avery surprises with competent play. D Hart follows through with committment. The world is great again.
And it all started with this news.