The other thread is getting too long to dig through and there is new information out. The official report is a dislocated shoulder with the MRI results coming this morning. A dislocated shoulder on a non contact throw sounds like doom for Miller's season. Get healthy and have a long successful career in the pros Braxton.
Braxton Injury- Day 2
If this is true then the UM/MSU game just became the biggest game in the conference this year.
While I hope you're right, this is a very shortsided perspective. OSU still boasts arguably the best DL in the nation and is talented on offense. Urban Meyer made Tim Tebow look like an all world QB. I bet they are going to be fine on offense, not as good but still just fine.
How does their DL personnel compare to last year? Cuz I don't recall them having much success against our offense last year.
Their DL was pretty damn good last year, but young too. Consider: Bosa was a true freshman and Spence and Washington were in their 2nd year out of high school. When you add normal progression for young guys like that, plus about 60 lbs between them, to Bennett who may be the best DT in the country this year, it gets really scary. They couldn't really use Washington as much last season because he was too small to be a 3-tech, so they had straight pluggers like Joel Hale with them.
Their defense still has major issues/questions in the secondary, and lost their best LB by far. And they have a similar situation on the OL as us, and return virtually zero of their production on offense if Braxton is out.
I'm not saying that their offense will be a tire fire, but it could look pretty ugly for a while. I do think they will be OK, but I doubt very much that they make it to the conference championship game without Braxton.
Decker did well enough as a starter, and Elflein played well when forced into action. Beyond that, they have guys who didn't have to play and may or may not be ready for B1G competition. In contrast, we have guys who either struggled (except for arguably Glasgow) or couldn't beat out the guys who struggled.
That said, I agree with your basic take. Their DL should be formidable, but they have a lot of question marks almost everywhere else.
that they still have lots of talent, and still will be good, the one dimension that's the hardest to control and the hardest to plan for (Miller's running ability) is most likely gone. That makes preparation a lot easier and their offensive game plan more predictable.
This is not debatable. I still think Meyer is a good enough coach to find ways to get this offense rolling without the help of a mobile QB.
but this is where you and I diverge in the woods. Seems like the mobile QB is his signature and having to change gears this close to the start of the season...it may take a while to get the offense rolling, is all I'm saying. We'll see though. Now is where we'll see if he truly is as gifted as they think he is.
What I should have clarified was if they can make it past Virginia Tech in week 2 they will have until November 8th to figure it out, where I believe Urbz is good enough to get something rolling.
Miller's replacement would likely be JT Barrett, who was a 4-star "athlete" recruit. He's plenty mobile. Cardale Jones is also a mobile quarterback, even he might be seen running the wrong direction.
He didn't come here to play compass.
Tim Tebow was an all world college qb. Pretty much would have succeeded anywhere.
I believe this is incredibly debatable. Am I going to spend hours doing it no. Just think of any college system that emulates a pro-system. Ask Tim Tebow to make the throws that AJ McCarron had to make at Alabama, not going to happen. Tim Tebow was a product of his environment and surrounded by loads of talent on offense.
MSU is big, no doubt. OSU is never second fiddle IMO and i don't care who their QB is.
I do wish the kid well, tho. That really sucks for him and I wouldn't wish it on anybody.
Yeah, I'm encouraged for Michigan's chances this season. And I'm pleased that OSU may have a down year.
But I feel really bad for Braxton. That truly sucks. Hope he makes a full recovery.
The Tebow argument is a bit stale. He wasn't the first and won't be the last athlete that will be great in college only to suck in the pros. Why does Meyer get credit for that?
I think offense for them becomes a serious question without Miller. It's easy to assume an offense is going to reload when you return a senior heisman candidate at QB. But take him away and the losses of your top two running backs, your top receiver, and damn near your entire line start to catch up.
Sure, it is obvious that they have some talent based both on recruiting stars and based on onfield performance. Guys like Elliot, Wilson, Smith and Heuerman. And Urban Meyer is too good of a coach for the offense to completely implode. But a guy like Braxton Miller papers over a lot of question marks that now come to the forefront.
Don't forget they need to replace 4 on the o-line. They could have some challenges this year. It's still Ohio and they do get to play us at the end of the season when they gain experience.
Tim Tebow was an All World college QB. Remember what happened to Florida the year after he left? Urban is not successful with just anyone under center.
at the thought of going after an inexperienced quarterback and/or a Braxton Miller with what will likely at best be a bad arm.
Assuming Miller is lost for the year, by the time The Game rolls around, Ohio's starting QB will have a full year of starting under his belt. Not the same as all conference three year starter, but still something to consider.
They have two you stud recruits dying to prove themselves. They'll miss Braxton but they aren't doomed. I remember being excited in 2001 because some scrub named Craig Krenzel had to start against UM. After every 1st down I was like "WTF". We lost.
OSU's schedule is TERRIBLE. Tire fire offense = 9-3
Lol! Man... yeah like a road game against OSU and the nation's best D line will be a gimme... Ohio did quite well last year when Miller was hurt. Sleeping on them now is not wise.
Sounds like he pretty much threw his arm off of his body.
2. Source: Miller appeared to dislocate his throwing shoulder. Right elbow to left hip, like a pitcher. He laid on the field for 5+ minutes.
— Patrick Maks (@maksimuspatrick) August 19, 2014
(still don't believe everything seen on Twitter, though don't have any reason to doubt this guy's credibility except that I've never heard of him)
and he dislocated his shoulder on a throw as described, that's devastating. You can come back from a dislocated shoulder caused by a tackle or falling hard on your side w/o surgery. I don't know if I've ever heard of a pitcher or QB dislocating their shoulder on a non-contact throw and rest/rehab being all that's needed.
Hope the kid has a full recovery, though it sounds as if it will be lengthy.
a terrifying injury. Only in that the simple motion caused sever damage. . . Chalk this up as a terrible shame. Young men shouldn't be going through this kind of trouble. Especially when exhibiting so much promise. . .
So, what do we know about JT Barrett (Miller's likely replacement)? Also, this moves Cardale "We Ain't Come Here To Play School" Jones up to #2 on the depth chart, no?
Sure, Ohio State’s Heisman Trophy-hopeful could be sidelined for the season, but I’d rather watch Cardale Jones or JT Barrett than Devin Gardner.
I know I know, I'm starting to obsess with 11 Warriors. But this is pure gold.
they will get their wish. But I guaran-damn-tee, that if DG was on their team, they'd be singing a different tune. Thank goodness he's on our team instead. EDIT: At least he had the proper use of the word 'than' instead of 'then'
I ain't come to play behind DG.
Careful what you wish for, Ohio.
In last years game Devin went 32/45 for 451 yds, 4 TDs, 0 INTs plus a rushing TD. That's probably a top 10 performance ever by a Michigan QB vs OSU
But sure, I bet Cardale Jones could do better
I think that's 2nd or 3rd best performance by a Michigan QB... ever
Not to mention DG did that behind the tire fire O line... It'd have been nice to be Miller piling up stats behind that cushy running game Ohio had last year with Hyde...
DG > Miller by a long shot, with the only possible edge to Miller being a slightly better juker on the run.
Braxton Miller is bette than DG. Not by a ton, but he is.
But that wasn't what the poster said. The poster said Barrett and Jones were better than DG, which is just ridiculous.
I would say it is contending for a #1 spot, broken foot and all.
Can we play them week 1 instead?
Stop it Dave.
We've already been through this multiple times. Michigan plays OSU on the last day of the regular B1G season and will always play them then. Not in October and definitely NOT at the beginning of the season.
Sheesh - you'd think he'd let this one go already.
Let us start this Tuesday off right
Every time I see this gif I'm shocked that Miller held onto the ball.
I'm surprised he got up
...the GIF ends one second too early! I rather want to see him hit the turf.