Article today about Mallets Transfer from Michigan

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
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Article today about Mallets Transfer from Michigan

Not to beat a dead horse...but I thought this was pretty interesting because I don't know if we have ever had confirmation from Ryan about how the situation went down between him and RR. Here is a very interesting side of the story from the Mallets...

“Ryan’s the one who called (Rich Rod),” Jim Mallett continued. “He said, “Can I talk about the offense?’ And then he told me, ‘Daddy, (Rodriguez) never looked me in the eye.’ He never visited with the family, he didn’t talk to us. But hey, it wasn’t a fit. Let’s move on.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/rap_sheet/?p=12374

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:30 PM | Mallett and Rodriguez are (Score:4 Normal)
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Mallett and Rodriguez are both gone.

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:30 PM | To me, the relevant quote is: (Score:5 Normal)
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“At the Capital One Bowl, we were trying to smooth things out, and we talked to Coach Carr,” Jim Mallett, Ryan’s dad, said. “I asked him, ‘Coach, next to my dad, you’re the classiest person I’ve ever been around. What would you do if Ryan was your son? He said, ‘If I was in that situation, with a different offense, he needs to leave.’ ”

I guess that's more evidence Lloyd wanted RR to fail, but I don't believe Mallet's dad, because given Threet & Sheridan, RR would have to be an idiot to not want Mallet around.

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:32 PM | I'm having a hard time (Score:-1 Flamebait)
May 6th, 2011 at 7:33 AM | I'm sorry (Score:2 Normal)
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but 90% of this web site is old news from a new angle!  That's what reporting is.  If you don't want to read about Ryan Mallet I think the OP's post header was clear enough for you to steer clear.

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:33 PM | Given what we now know about (Score:-1 Normal)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:52 PM | Ehh (Score:5 Insightful)
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I agree that Mallet wouldn't have been a good fit here, but Rodriguez did go "out of his way" to recruit Pryor and, well we all know about his off the field exploits.

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May 5th, 2011 at 10:39 PM | I love that even (Score:5 Normal)
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I love that even if you're 6'6 -- in the south, you still call your Dad 'Daddy.'

Score.

 

Edit: Why was this marked trolling? I'm from the south...odd.

May 5th, 2011 at 10:39 PM | You picked a pretty mundane quote. (Score:5 Normal)
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Compared to this one!

“At the Capital One Bowl, we were trying to smooth things out, and we talked to Coach Carr,” Jim Mallett, Ryan’s dad, said. “I asked him, ‘Coach, next to my dad, you’re the classiest person I’ve ever been around. What would you do if Ryan was your son? He said, ‘If I was in that situation, with a different offense, he needs to leave.’ ”

That’s a little bit of a wow. 

"A little bit of a wow" is right.  Jim Mallett, claiming that Lloyd Carr advised Ryan to leave Michigan because of the offensive scheme?

 

 

May 5th, 2011 at 10:48 PM | Your surprised that Lloyd was (Score:-1 Flamebait)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:02 PM | Are you serious?  Have you (Score:5 Normal)
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Are you serious?  Have you ever considered that Lloyd Carr was looking out for the best interests of a player he recruited and built a relationship with?  Rich Rod's offense would never have worked for Mallet so it was smart that he would transfer somewhere where he could succeed.  I also think that Carr wanted to stay distanced from the football program for a few years so he wouldn't take the spotlight/focus off of Rodriguez.  

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May 5th, 2011 at 11:53 PM | just thought I'd ask... (Score:5 Insightful)
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So would you be Ok with Rich Rod telling Denard he should leave because he wouldn't fit Hoke/Borges' system? I find it hard to believe anyone would come to Rich Rod's defense the way you came to Lloyd's.

May 6th, 2011 at 12:24 AM | If Denard talked to Rich Rod (Score:5 Normal)
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And said that he didn't feel the love from Hoke, that he wasn't sure how he fit in the system and he wasn't comfortable there, then I wouldn't have had a problem have RR tell him it may be a good idea to transfer.

The difference is in the claim.  First off, I don't believe Carr straight up said "he needs to transfer" as Mallets dad is saying.  There is also a claim to some degree that Mallet didn't feel wanted by RR.  I think both are extreme compared to what probably really happened (ie Lloyd may have said that Mallet should evaluate his options and do what's best for him).  There was never a claim that Hoke didn't want Denard.  One of Hoke's priorities when he got to Michigan was to make Denard know he was wanted and they talked about that right away.  If that hadn't happened, I'm sure Denard would have asked RR for advice, and I'm sure RR would have said something very similar to what I assume Carr actually said.

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May 6th, 2011 at 10:18 AM | So RR looked at the offense (Score:3 Insightful)
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So RR looked at the offense for 2008 and thought he would be better off with Threet/Sheridan than Mallet? That doesn't make sense to me.

That said, I agree that Lloyd probably didn't say this and said something much more in line with what you would expect from him. Maybe Mallet and RR clashed, maybe Mallet needed an excuse to leave, but I don't see how anyone would have activly pushed Mallet out the door when they had literally no other options, barring getting the most hyped recruit in history and relying on him as a true freshman.

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May 6th, 2011 at 4:59 PM | I didn't say that about RR (Score:3 Normal)
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I said how Mallet felt about it.  I don't know if RR was just going all in for Pryor and decided he wasn't getting Mallet back anyway or what.  What I said was that Mallet felt like he wasn't wanted.  This is different than what happened with Denard, who was sat down with right away and told he was really wanted.

I don't think RR thought he was better with Threet than Mallet.  I do think he probably thought he was better with Pryor than with Mallet though FWIW

4/23/13 - Denard Robinson's NFL Future, Part II

May 6th, 2011 at 5:27 PM | I would agree that RR thought that Mallet < Pryor for his offens (Score:1)
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The most simple conclusion, IMO, would be that RR realized his problems on offense immediately, wanted Mallet to stay and was unsuccessful in doing so. Mallet said RR didn't set up a meeting with him right away: maybe this was a mistake, maybe RR rubbed Mallet the wrong way or vice versa, but I have to believe that a HC at this level could recognize what dire straits he was in without Mallet. Pryor was 50/50 at best, something else RR literally had to know.

Go Blue!

May 6th, 2011 at 3:25 AM | Yes, IF (Score:2 Flamebait)
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If Hoke had said "I don't want my quarterback running the ball.  QB's are for passing and handing off ONLY" well then yeah, I would have supported RRod telling DR to get out of dodge.

The difference is, Borges offensive system doesn't preclude a QB from running or making plays with his feet.  Rodriguez' system won't work with a QB who CAN'T run or make plays with his feet. 

Essentially Robinson has a chance to be successful under Hoke, IF he can continue to improve as a passer (which would in turn make him more likely to make the NFL).  Mallet had NO SHOT of ever being successful under Rodriguez and probably would have killed his shot at making the NFL, or at least harmed his draft status.

There were positives for Robinson to stay.  Unless Rodriguez was going to alter his scheme, there were NO positives for Mallet to stay. 

May 6th, 2011 at 3:28 AM | Rodriguez's system (Score:4 Insightful)
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didn't preclude a QB from passing the ball either. Shaun King passed for 3500 yards and 38 TDs to only 6 picks in 1998 with RR as the OC at Tulane in 1998. So let's not act like RR can only work with OMG RUN THE BALL type of QB's.

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May 6th, 2011 at 10:35 AM | The offense would have looked (Score:2)
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The offense would have looked far different in 2008 with Mallet, but I think it would have been more effective. Maybe along the lines of Cincinnati 2009, but without Gilyard.

Go Blue!

May 6th, 2011 at 1:44 PM | That was 1998, a LONG time (Score:2 Normal)
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That was 1998, a LONG time ago and at a time before Rodriguez had fully developed his read-option offense.  I doubt the offense he ran at Tulane looked anything like what he ran at Michigan in 2008. 

Given that Rodriguez tried to shoehorn Threet into an offense he clearly didn't fit into, I find it hard to believe he woudn't have done the same with Mallett.

May 6th, 2011 at 1:58 PM | Also, RR was not the head (Score:1)
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Also, RR was not the head coach at Tulane.  It's not clear exactly how much leeway he had to run that offense.  

May 6th, 2011 at 1:39 PM | Flamebait? (Score:-1 Flamebait)
May 6th, 2011 at 3:30 PM | The new system is set up so (Score:2 Normal)
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The new system is set up so you can call a differing opinion you disagree with "trolling" or "flamebait" instead of  actually discussing it.

May 7th, 2011 at 2:51 PM | The problem is (Score:1)
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The problem is when someone (or maybe it is two people) labels your post as "flamebait" just because they are a dick, your post gets collapsed.   That is idiotic.  It just encourages dickheads to label anything they don't agree with as flamebait and get it collapsed rather than just saying "I don't agree with you". 

I have no problems with messages getting collapsed if a bunch of people are in agreement that the message is flamebait.  But the fact that a message gets collapsed because one or two weenies have a burr in their underwear is lame.

May 6th, 2011 at 7:23 AM | If Lloyd ever choose a player > THE TEAM, (Score:1 Flamebait)
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the he should be banned from Michigan. His first allegiance is to the team and his school (who he was employed at and paid by, even after he was HC).

"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt

May 6th, 2011 at 8:48 AM | Family comes before team (Score:0 Flamebait)
May 7th, 2011 at 12:41 AM | So, Beilein should have told Morris (Score:2 Normal)
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To stay, and not check out his draft standing, because Darius not doing it is obviously better for the team, and school, if not actually the player.



I'm glad you're not the coach of our team. Because I'm guessing a lot of parents wouldn't want to send their kids to you.

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May 7th, 2011 at 10:34 AM | From the article (and I'm not (Score:1)
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From the article (and I'm not agreeing that Carr said this) Lloyd told him to transfer, not look and see. If Lloyd straight up told him to transfer, that's a problem. Again, I don't think he did, but it's an important distinction.

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May 6th, 2011 at 2:28 PM | Assume QB has to run... (Score:1 Insightful)
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I know that everyone thinks Rich Rod needs his QBs to run the ball but that doesn't need to be the case. I know our offense under RR wasn't the spread but it's not to different, just some small tweeks. Just because the QB ran at WVU doesn't mean RR couldn't adapt his offense. Look at Shaun King who could run some but not much compared to Denard or Pat White. I'm absolutely positive that RR would rather have had Mallet more than Street/Sheridan or a true freshman QB.  

If Mallet had stayed Michigan could still go 4-5 wide and run amost every single passing play. It might not have been the best fit but it could've worked and it would have helped Michigan during the transfer period. It's a shame to me that Lloyd didn't tell the kid to try spring camp before leaving. 

Can you imagine Bo ever telling Chris Perry to leave because it wasn't a good fit? 

 

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May 6th, 2011 at 2:34 PM | So basically, when Mallett's (Score:4 Normal)
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So basically, when Mallett's dad says RR didn't try to get Mallett to stay, you think it's untrue - but when Mallett's dad says Lloyd advised him to transfer, you think it's true?  

May 5th, 2011 at 11:06 PM | I tried not to betray any other emotion than... (Score:2 Normal)
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"wow." 

I'm not going to rehash the entire debate.  I would not be comfortable saying that I am surprised, or alternatively that I'm not surprised.  I wouldn't particularly want to bet my life on any quote from Papa Mallett, Mama Mallett, or Baby Huey Mallett.

But I don't ever remember that kind of quote ever appearing in print; and while it won't settle anything, it is news.

 

 

May 5th, 2011 at 11:07 PM | I don't remember it either, (Score:1 Flamebait)
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I don't remember it either, but I probably would have advised Mallett to leave too. Imagine Mallett running a zone read. Dear lord.

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May 6th, 2011 at 3:08 AM | Because Carr (Score:5 Normal)
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has been so outspoken in his support of Hoke, right? He must be against Hoke!!!

Or maybe it's that Carr hated the media and just doesn't wanna talk to them about anything.

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May 6th, 2011 at 2:07 PM | When he kept silent during (Score:2 Normal)
jmblue
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When he kept silent during stretchgate even as sweatevest was vocally supporting Rich told me everything I needed to know about the relationship between those two.

Carr has hardly said a word publicly since Hoke's hiring. Does that tell you something about the relationship between those two?

May 5th, 2011 at 11:15 PM | Lloyd did the right thing. (Score:0 Flamebait)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:43 PM | Is there a Dean Wormer at (Score:2 Funny)
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Is there a Dean Wormer at Faber College?

It's all John Navarre's fault.

 

May 5th, 2011 at 10:42 PM | I'm a glass half full kinda guy. (Score:2)
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If this is true, I like to think Lloyd did us a solid by telling him politely to GTFO.  Hell maybe that was his intent all along, I think it was widely rumored that Lloyd didn't particularly care for him. 

May 6th, 2011 at 7:41 AM | I have heard this as well (Score:1 Normal)
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My understanding was that Carr didn't care for Mallet at all.  He showed up on campus all entitled because he could throw the ball 400yds (that's in a single pass).  Mallet wouldn't have been a good fit for RR offense, there's no question about that.  However, if you think for a second that RR would rather have had Threet and Sheridan over a highly touted, gunslinging, missile-launcher-for-an-arm quarterback, then you are as crazy as Mallet is dumb.

 

This, incidentally, is not targeted in any way at you, TTUwolverine.  

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May 6th, 2011 at 9:08 AM | single pass (Score:2)
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400 yards, eh?  Me, too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5_T0azEpqM#t=0m40s

May 6th, 2011 at 9:56 AM | If Lloyd actually liked (Score:4 Normal)
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If Lloyd actually liked Mallet, he would have told him that he's talented enough to play in any system but a degree from Michigan can only be earned at one place.  It seems out of character for Lloyd to put football above school.

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May 6th, 2011 at 2:05 PM | And back on planet (Score:-1 Trolling)
May 5th, 2011 at 10:47 PM | It's hard to look somebody (Score:5 Normal)
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It's hard to look somebody taller in the eye when they always have their nose in the air.

May 5th, 2011 at 10:59 PM | And when the other person is (Score:2)
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And when the other person is 4 inches taller than you...5+ if hes wearing cleats

May 6th, 2011 at 9:36 AM | 7+ if he's wearing heels... (Score:3 Normal)
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7+ if he's wearing heels...

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

May 5th, 2011 at 10:56 PM | Pretty sure this is old news. (Score:0 Redundant)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:09 PM | Mallet did the right thing (Score:0 Flamebait)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:17 PM | No way. (Score:4 Normal)
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Ryan Mallet makes Steven Threet look like Denard Robinson.  No way Mallett pulls off that huge run against Wisconsin.

May 5th, 2011 at 11:42 PM | Eh, maybe so (Score:1)
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Eh, maybe so otoh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zTselUuB8 his read at 3:13 is perfect.

and at 23 seconds into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjFnHQMVNH4&feature=related against Miami Ohio.

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May 6th, 2011 at 3:10 AM | Rodriguez being the coach in 2008 (Score:0 Flamebait)
May 5th, 2011 at 11:12 PM | RR fucked everything up with (Score:5 Normal)
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RR fucked everything up with bad eye contact. But, seriously, RR fucked everything up.

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May 6th, 2011 at 6:25 AM | If what you say is true (Score:-1 Trolling)
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