AP Poll is out (EDIT USA Today is too)
Wow. I didn't think Sparty would jump that much. I'm still pretty conflicted about the events of last night. Meteor did not make the appearance I had hoped for...
OMG THAT WAS SOOOOOOOO FUNNY!
Do you always have to be so cynical?
I'm surprised he hasn't been banned yet.
Gnarly face seems to be David from Wyoming. Both accounts are consistently bitchy and menopausal.
Naw. David from Wyoming was never a dick just to be a dick.
This is Wolverine Dominates/Darth Wolverine
That's the one.
I'm pretty sure he's Wolverines Dominate. Same avatar (just with the colors reversed), same kind of attitude. (Though I suppose he could also have been David from Wyoming.)
He definitely used to be Wolverines Dominate, which, now that I think about it, probably was a replacement for D from WY.
I'd probably be pretty cynical if I had a gnarly face too though. But he really should just quiet down or at least "take a look in the mirror." (lol)
Your day is coming soon.
Maybe it'll help in your quest to get a life.
It wasn't really supposed to be sooo funny. Just like, what it is, man.
How is it even possible that ND is still ranked?
Why even come here if your sole intent is to be a dick about every comment?
If you did it then respect.
He's already back as "Ranch Doritos." Can't keep a good man down, apparently.
bear #4 Sparty and played Standford tough?
Beat ASU and USC, too. I suppose it's OK. I went and checked, and I can't figure out who I'd rank higher than them that's not in there.
If we had a four team playoff and they picked like the AP or USA then the play in games would be
FSU vs MSU
Iron Bowl part 2
Still have the SEC playing for a national championship no matter what.
Expanding the field to 8 results in the following
ACC - 1 team
SEC - 3 teams
B1G - 2 teams
PAC 12 - 1 team
Big 12 - 1 team
Naturally I am curious what the actual playoff picture looks like in the future.
I would go
FSU vs Baylor
Auburn vs MSU
A combination of winning your conference and best record/ rank.
Sorry Bama you lost to Auburn who is in. Stanford, sorry you lost 2 games.
Not that it really matters at this point, but Ohio State actually did get individual votes as low as 12th, 13th and 15th. The low end of Michigan State votes was 7th, 8th and 9th. Interestingly, in both cases, the same person is responsible for the lowest ranking among all the votes.
Is the "same person" the local-press Big Ten hater we all know and love?
The SEC has rigged the game so that they always will have more chips in the basket than any other conferece. This is regardless of whether they deserve it or not. The narritive is that they DO deserve it, so they will always get more playoff spots than anyone else.
The only real way to fix things is to expand to at least 8 teams so that enough teams get a shot to show that the SEC is really no better than any other conference. With only 4 teams, they will continue to get auto-passes into the title game, as they would this year with an Auburn-Alabama rematch. I'd actually prefer 16 teams with some sort of limit on how many teams per confernce can get in (maybe 3). That somewhat mitigate the SEC deck stacking that gets done and make them actually win their way to a title rather than just have to beat each other in rematch games.
How have they rigged it?
Pretty sure it is voodoo. I saw American Horror Story and that is basically true.
Maybe not "they" the SEC but "they" the media et al. It is taken as gospel at this point that the SEC is hands down better than everyone else, and when their championship game yields a 60-40 scoreline it is an amazing display of offensive acumen and parity, whereas anyone would be chided for having a one-sided outfit.
I think MSU could probably beat Auburn and Mizzou because the new look MSU offense is certainly competent enough to put up 30-40 points on either and the defense would be the first either team has seen this season.
At some point it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of greatness and that point came a few years ago.
Auburn saw a top flight defense in Bama a few weeks ago. Bama is not as elite as it has been the past few years on defense but still pretty solid. I do think Sparty would beat Auburn because you'd see a similar game as yesterday with MSU giving up 24-28 and then their offense as you said, has taken incredible steps from where it was 3 months ago. Cook and Langford are unrecognizable from the players they were the first week in September. In many ways it is like the 97 Wolverines, a dominant defense and a good enough offense.
I am upset Bama lost however because this was the year I think another conf could have ended the SEC streak and if FSU beats Auburn everyone down south and most of the natioal media will say it was fluky and doesnt really count because it was not Bama. FSU has both a superior offense and defense to Bama this year... they are destroying teams by 30 pts+ often, and not junk teams; they made Clemson look like ...well Michigan. Completely lost in FSU offense fireworks is the fact they have a top 1-2 defense in the country.
Is silly. Just look at recruiting rankings the last 6-8 years, then look at bowl records and the scores of the BCS championship games. The SEC is 9-1 in BCS championship games. The only losing team was LSU, and they lost to... Alabama.
Is the culture of football corrupt, and can it really be called "student" athletics? That's a fair question. But questioning whether the SEC is the best conference in football is a foolish endeavor.
Maybe if the B1G does a bit better in their bowl appearances than they have over the last several years, they might be seen a bit more favorably. Get past a couple of teams in the B1G and the quality falls off quickly.
ESPN has a financial interest in hyping the SEC. The B1G has the BigTenNetwork and the PAC12 has the PAC12 network which are not beholden to ESPN.
The SEC Network will be a creation of ESPN and SEC. The Longhorn Network is a yawn right now with Texas down but you could still hear them doing their best to hype Texas.
More hype=more votes->More ranked teams=more viewers
I would postulate that ND is only ranked as high as they are is because they have their own network and hype machine.
24-1 is hard to pull off but it deserves an asterisk that this is the worst Big Ten in decades.
I don't think it actually is that bad. MSU OSU, Wisconsin were all good teams. Iowa, Penn St, Minn were also solid. We were good at times, crap at others.
I think the Big Ten is still down, and we're one of the main culprits for that being true. But I don't think this is some historically unprecedented year. Had we and MSU switched places this year, I think some people would believe that the conference was stronger, simply because its two powerhouses were quasi-elite. What doesn't get quite enough mention--in my opinion--is the unbalanced schedule. I think one way in which the Big Ten was genuinely weaker lies in the fact that Purdue and Illinois were horrific (Boilerquest!). MSU was a great team this year, but prior to the B1G title game, they didn't play the other two very good in-conference opponents (Wisconsin and OSU); Missouri provides a similar example in the SEC. We were our own worst enemy this year, but getting to play both Illinois and Purdue, rather than neither of them, couldn't have hurt our record--but it would have dropped our strength of schedule. For another example, Iowa played us, Nebraska, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, and Minnesota in conference. That's a pretty respectable in-conference slate.
I don't know about and asterisk, but it must suck to go 24-1 and have no MNCs, B1G titles, or bowl wins (yet) to show for it.
I know someone will reply to my post about how it's still better than us the past few year. I get that. But it still has to suck to be a buckeye (obviously).
Yes. There is really nothing tangible to show for it. The thing is OSU is at a pinnacle point. Michigan is the team that is rebuilding right now. This season has to feel like the 2006 season did for us (except they beat their biggest rival).
With the night to think about it, as sucky as the situation is here, OSU fans have to be going crazy thinking they had 1 loss in 2 seasons and due to tattoos and Sparty they have been shut out of the NCG back to back.
Frankly other than FSU and Bama, I think Sparty right now can play and potentially beat anyone. They are getting better, and in the case of the offense much better, as the weeks go by. They did sleepwalk through Purdue and Minn on offense, but the defense is so dominant it didn't matter. Startling to think Sparty would be in the playoff if this was 12 months from now but beating "name brands" like OSU and Michigan in front of national audiences helps big time. Glad to see a 1 loss Big 10 is ahead of a 2 loss Pac 10 (Stanford).
I think MSU fans have to be going crazy. They had one close game all year (i.e., less than 10-point margin), which they lost in fluky fashion at ND. If not for that weird outcome, they'd be playing in the NCG right now with a great chance to beat FSU with their defense. I don't think anyone here wants to admit how dominant they were this season. Their defense is something.
The crazy thing in that game is that they had the ball with a chance to beat ND, but benched Cook for Andrew Maxwell. Yikes.
They lost when they gave up a chance to put distance between themselves and ND in the 2nd half by calling a reverse pass (interception) instead of just hammering Langford into ND and when they trotted a cold Maxwell out to save the day on the last drive. They got 2 or 3 bad PI calls, but they lost it on their own accord.
Am I the only disturbed/depressed that SPARTY has two B1G titles, two division titles since 2005 and Michigan has none? Not to mention a 41-12 record in the 2010s to our 33-18?
All you have to do is just keep pushing the time frame you're looking at back until you get the results you want to see, apparently.
I like that you have arbitrarily chosen 2005. I was unaware that the JLS or early Dantonio teams were world-beaters.
I think everyone here would rather that Michigan won more big ten championships than Michigan state
Not sure if serious, but I completely agree with this. Before last night, they played one marginally good team all year long, and only two or three marginally good teams last year. Their defense is weak. Their offense is really good. I think there are more than ten teams in the country that would whack OSU right now.
Well, we were 8-4 last year, to be fair. OSU is a really high variance team, I think. They can probably beat anyone in the country if they're clicking. But if the offense is having an off day, any good team can take them down. MSU is the opposite, in that their defense is consistently good and slowly grinds down the will of the opponent.
The great irony of all this is that MSU is exactly what Hoke wants us to be. A pro-style, low-risk, defense-first tank that a high-variance team like OSU will bounce off of. Like Saban did to Meyer's Florida teams. Who would've thunk that MSU would be that team first?
But lets see how long they can maintain it. That's the real test. Their defense is special, their offense is pedestrian. How will they bounce back next year is the question. I'm hoping not well, but that was my hope this year too.
Agree - they'll lose to Clemson.
That they have upped their game means a stronger conference. Ain't no mo little brother...unless Dan Tonio leaves. It's sort of a new era in the b1g if you asked me. The days of the Big 2 and the Little 8 are gone.
While I prefer a dominant M, I think I really want a competitive M going forward. Consistent play and a nice upside to our offense. If there's a place to dominate...make it D-fence.
I think we're on the track, as our others. I think Iowa is way up from last years debacle. Northwestern has made great strides...this year being an aberration. Wisconsin is a few steps off the pace without Russell Wilson..the conference is improving.
I'd like to be able to look back a hundred years from now and know that M still has the most wins, against increasing competition all around. Racking up cream puffs is soon Ohio...8-)
I disagree. I think OSU's offense is as good as any in the country. They've been pretty prolific.
It may only get worse with their cultural acceptance of cheating. I live in Alabama and Auburn fans just shrug and laugh when you mention Cam Newton.
Four years ago we pounded the crap out of BG, and now we're apparently ranked below them, if the "Others Receiving Votes" category means anything.
Sparty's D seems to be the real deal, and the SEC has a couple of good teams. But, Sparty could beat anyone behind them I think.
But who the hell is giving them first place votes. That's just a boat load of BS.
And I also think MSU would have a good shot at beating Auburn. I do not think Auburn's offense is better than OSU, and their defense is at best the same. I do not think any team outside Bama has a great shot at FSU, and I think Bama was overrated most of the season due to perseption, not sure they really would have much better of a chance outside of Saban with time to prepare.