The All-Lloyd Team

Submitted by oriental andrew on

No, this is not a team full of people named Lloyd.  Rather, in stark contrast to (and perhaps inspired by) Brian's Anti-Carr team, the Freep has put out their list of Lloyd Carr's Deservedly Appreciated All-Stars (maybe not quite in those words and sorry johnny at RBUAS for ripping you off so unabashedly):

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=C4&Date=20080721&Category=SPORTS06&ArtNo=716002&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1

OL: Jake Long, Steve Hutchinson, Rod Payne, David Baas, Jon Jansen

RB: Mike Hart, Anthony Thomas

WR: Braylon Edwards, David Terrell, Jerame Tuman (TE)

QB: Tom Brady

CB: Charles "Drink my wine" Woodson, Leon Hall, Marlin Jackson

S: Marcus Ray (and sorta Jackson as well)

LB: Jarrett Irons, Sam Sword, David Harris (was it not possible to find a game photo of Harris???) 

DL: Alan Branch, Glen Steele, James Hall, LaMarr Woodley,

K: Jay Feely

P: Adam Finley

J.W. Wells Co.

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 AM ^

I hate to say it, but I'd have to give it to Perry over Hart.  Yeah, Hart owns the all-time yardage record, but he got the majority of the team's carries for four years.  Perry was a Heisman finalist and he led the team to an untied conference championship.  Hart (for all of his "heart" and apparent leadership) led the team to absolutely no championships in his sophomore, junior, and senior seasons, never beat Ohio State, never did anything of note in the Rose Bowl, and (despite his immaculate ball-handling record over four years), nearly fumbled away (twice on the goal line) the team's first bowl win in five years.  People always talk about his toughness, but they neglect to mention how he was ridiculously injury prone; whenever someone touched his ankle he'd go down like a little bitch.  I don't remember Perry ever being injured during his two seasons as THE ball carrier.  And Perry's workhorse day in East Lansing in 2003 (52 carries?) brings tears to the eye.  Hart had some 200-yard games against some shitty defenses, but he never did anything to help Michigan win championships.  And I never once in four years saw Hart actually run away from a defender.  Then again, it's tough to do that when you have no speed.

Look, the above is all pretty negative on Hart, but don't get me wrong:  I'm happy he played for Michigan and I really enjoyed watching him play (when he did play) for four years, and I understand he was a great leader for the team, etc., etc., etc.  But I think he's been overrated for four years because of the yardage record (and in part probably because of the homophone of his name).

J.W. Wells Co.

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 AM ^

Again a moron (this time at the Freep, big surprise), messes up the distinction between KO and PK. Jay Feely did not kick field goals at Michigan; he was strictly a kickoff specialist in college (and a damned fine one, at that). If you're going to list just a "K" and a "P", you'd better list a placekicker, not a kickoff man. I'd nominate Baker, who was pretty freaking solid in 1997, or Hamilton, who I believe was a Groza finalist before bottoming out in the arena league.

wolvrine32

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 AM ^

Not only did he have a great name, and a fantastic game against the Buckeyes... he was just flat better than the A-Train. Tshimanga should be on this list. I love Thomas, he was also a great back, but he gets a longevity award or something. Biakabutuka was awesome.

Chrisgocomment

July 22nd, 2008 at 10:38 AM ^

yeah....geeezz tough to keep him off the list too. It seems perhaps that the two best years a running back put together for Lloyd were done by Biakabutuka and Perry, whereas Hart and the A-Train had better overall careers.

StevieY19

July 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 AM ^

Mine was against OSU his senior year.  He got hurt at some point in the second half and while he was down, the crowd started chanting his name.  It was so loud, then Perry popped up and finished out the game. 

Maybe Perry doesn't make the all-Lloyd team because of the time he spent in the doghouse.  But it was a great story his senior season how he turned things around and became the type of player/man he was meant to be.

WolvinLA

July 22nd, 2008 at 12:25 PM ^

I like the Perry and A-Train combo as well. A few other changes I would make: Ernest Shazor at safety - he was as good a safety as I've seen at Michigan, if not the Big Ten, in a while. And how about Larry Foote or Victor Hobson at linebacker? Those guys were crazy dominant when they played. Not that the guys listed weren't solid players, but I would throw one of these two guys in there at least. My 2 cents. Good list though.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:41 PM ^

It's tough. If you're looking at career vs. single season, then Hart and Thomas are hard to quibble with. Biakabatuka and Perry had better individual seasons than anything the other two had. Also, just to quibble, there are 3 DE's on that roster. So maybe, we can drop James Hall and add Larry Foote, and play 3-4, since I think Foote was a better college player than Hall. Also, J.W. Wells, you're wrong. Jay Feeley was 17/22 on FG's and 40/41 PAT's his senior year. He was 1st team All-Big 10.

J.W. Wells Co.

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 PM ^

Thanks for setting me straight on Jay Feely.  For some reason I just cannot for the life of me remember him kicking field goals.  Was it 1998, then?  Why wasn't Kraig Baker kicking in '98?  Baker's still listed as a senior here: http://141.211.39.65/allroster/FMPro?-DB=allrost.fp5&-Format=fbresult.htm&-SortField=name&-SortOrder=Ascend&year=1998&-max=170&-Find

chitownblue (not verified)

July 22nd, 2008 at 1:42 PM ^

WolvinLA - I want Foote on the team as well. But I don' think he's as good as Harris/Irons/Sword. Hence, my idea of ditching a 3rd DE in Hall.

hat

July 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 PM ^

Biakabutuka was Carr's best RB. He wasn't a one-year wonder, either; he averaged 6.0 ypc for his entire career, a much higher average than any other RB under Carr. It's just that for his first two years, Tyrone Wheatley was also around (and when healthy, Wheatley was Heisman-good), so he didn't get all the carries.

In '95, we had, IMO, the worst quarterbacking of the entire Carr era (yes, worse than '01 Navarre), and yet Biakabutuka still tore defenses apart.  OSU had three All-Americans on the D that he shredded.  The only reason that game wasn't a total blowout was because of sophomore Griese's horrible play.

Nick

July 22nd, 2008 at 7:50 PM ^

Mike had his shortcomings with injuries and other limitations. His lack of top-end speed depressed his rushing averages as there were no long TD outliers. These averages were also hurt by Michigans consistently run heavy playcalling, lack of deception and mediocre blocking at times. His ability to get solid yardage was unparalled among UM backs. His agility, vision, quickness were amazing. Great pass blocker as well. And dont't bring up the fact that they never won anything with him. Michigan's losses were in spite of Hart's performances, not because of them. His struggles against OSU were direct results of poor line play and injuries. When those two were not a factor, look at 06 - 23 carries, 142 yards and 3 td's. While its really close between Hart, A-train and Perry, I need Hart on my team.

Jim Harbaugh S…

July 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 PM ^

You hit the nail on the head. Hart had a nice run - but I always throw my hat into the ring with a player who beat OSU. Perry over hart 365. I really liked Hart, but looking back on his career it was very disappointing. Yes, a lot of it was stuff he couldn't control, but still I just can't back a guy who didn't beat OSU in four cracks, over a heisman finalist - who really steped it up against all the rivals in '03. ------------------------ And if anyone is still interested in the anti-carr team I'll try to get a new post up by Friday.