THIS GAME WAS SCHEDULED BEFORE DAVE TOOK OVER AS AD...............................
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THIS GAME WAS SCHEDULED BEFORE DAVE TOOK OVER AS AD...............................
Brandon was appointed in Jan 2010, are you telling me DB had nothing to do with this game?
I think the OP's comments about Brandon are a bit over-the-top, but Brandon did schedule the game. The game was first disclosed to the public in a paywalled Scout article on or about August 5, 2010, which was discussed in this thread: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-vs-alabama-2012-cowboy-stadium
Brandon, who was appointed on January 5, 2010, had been AD for seven months by that time.
When we scheduled Bama, Rich Rod was still the coach. We were expecting year five, and a national power. All this hand wringing directed towards Brandon is getting really really old. For years, people on this site bitched about playing nobodies in the nonconference games, and now people are crying about it because we lost.
Amen, to be the best you have to play the best. I am not happy we were dessimated on the field. However, I have been an advocate to play a tougher schedule for years. I am tired of the MAC schools and low level Mid Major's. It is time we schedule games like this year in and year out. No offense to ND, but they lost their National prominence when Douche Bag Holtz retired. I still love the rivalry, but thye do not give us the strenghth of schedule that a Bama, LSU or anyother SEC team will give us. I am a winner and a competitor through and through, we all hate to lose, but I will take a lose like this, learn from it and move on. We now know where we are deficient and can make the necessary corrections to improve as a team and program.
It may be in season, so no ot, but let's keep some standards as English-as-first-language.
I can't understand for the life of me people are acting like this was scheduled last year. This was scheduled years in advance. Would this game have been a bad idea if the results were slightly different? I'm just confused why everybody is crying? It's done with. Air Force is next now let's focus our energy on that.
I thought scheduling Alabama was stupid then, and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. The "formula" for making it to the title game or playoff is to play three tomato cans and one semi-serious game. Michigan plays Notre Dame, which is a rivalry game, for its "serious" game.
Until the Big Ten Champion is automatically allowed into a playoff to determine a national champion, scheduling games like Alabama is playoff suicide. I was against it when it was scheduled, and I am against ever doing something so monumentally stupid again.
This game was David Brandon throwing his weight around, and his ego has just cost Michigan any chance of being taken seriously in the polls for the rest of the season. It has also provided a blueprint for opposing defenses.
If people start blaming Brady Hoke, then I'll be pissed. But holding David Brandon, as he likes to say, "accountable" for his actions is not only valid, its mandatory.
My thoughts exactly, never blamed Brady at all or the players.
And Dave Brandon scheduled this game in RR's 3rd year, which if he had an ounce of confidence in the fact that RR would be coach in 2012, then MAYBE I could see some logic, but I believe DB knew RR was out at that time, or atleast there was some doubt
Agreeing with Tater is the first sign of mental illness.
You're right. This game was so bad, that everyone is the polls is going to remember it. Even if we go 13-1, everyone will be like "Well look at that 1 loss, Michigan is not a Top-25 team".
Just like last year with Oregon. They got beat by a strong LSU team, then completely fell out of the polls right?
The forumla? Serious games?
In 2009 Alabama played VT to start the year, in 2010 Auburn played Clemson out of conference, in 2011 Alabama played Penn State (and #2 LSU played Oregon). Its way too early but if Bama ends up winning the MNC again this year they scheduled us. Those are probably a bit more prestigeous than "semi-serious games".
Whether or not anyone wants to admit it Saturday's game was a huge showcase for UM football. We may have shit the bed in this instance, but don't act like we need to shy away from tough competetion. I agree that playing Alabama in a home and home would have been so much more attractive, but you don't just pass these oppurtunities up. You have to beat great teams if you want to win the ultimate prize.
I thought this was scheduled before Brandon....can we get confirmation so that people can stop posting the same crap and throwing blame on Brandon who has done a helluva job? Tis was supposed to be that one guys 5th year as coach...the transition was supposed to be over and we should have been ready. Low and behold that one coach failed miserably and we had little to no depth, this was not Brandon's fault...this is Michigan...why shouldn't we schedule the best?
Lo and behold.
Brandon scheduled the game.
He was hired in January, http://www.annarbor.com/news/david-brandon-hired-as-university-of-michig..., and the game was set up over the summer and announced in October, http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101410aaa.html
Catch me tomorrow on this... still taking Prilosec.
Know one thing though- would rather play and lose to Bama game one than Appy State.
You just found out how far you have to go.
This is painful, but also true. Living within the recent mediocrity of the B1G can blind us to that.
The only thing we can blame DB for are those heinous uniforms...they looked like pajamas.
Yes, of course we should blame Carr for the loss to Toledo even though he retired the previous year.
( though someone will nit you on Toledo, Rich lost to them, while misusing or having run off Lloyd's guys ... /s ).
The cream puffs started when we went to more games in the money grub. As I recall Carr didn't want to add a 12th game (added risk of injury to his players, etc.) Add to that the ability to schedule cream puffs at home only, and the $$$ start rolling. And then Notre Dame became a cream puff for a while there too.
In the 80's we always had two major conference (or ND) non conference games and then the B1G slate. In '84 we beat Miami (YTM) before Jim harbaugh was injured and we went 6-6. We always had a Pac-10, ACC, SEC, or Big East (when Miami and BC were there) opponent at home, and one away, and ND would come on and off our schedule.
Somewhere in there, ND became a fixture, and the other games became the bottom of the other conferences, and then the MAC, and all the way "down" to App State and the UMass's of the world.
The stupid thing is, this was done for more money. I can understand a MAC school for a pre-season warm up, and maybe one other, but who wouldn't pay more for their season tickets if we had two semi-marquis or better match-ups in our non-conference schedule? You can't tell me it is not possible to set up alternate home and home schedules (ND home one year, while the other opponent is away, and visa-verse), and make up for the lost cupcake revenue of one game every other year through an increase in ticket cost for games that people actually want to see.
Anyway, back then, when going undefeated was the only path the the AP or Coaches Poll National Championship, losses in those pre-season games, especially the first one out of the box were devastating, and Notre Dame was a particular thorn in our side.
Anyway, yeah, step it up men!
Cause in 2010 Brandon could have seen this coming. He is not a freaking precog.
Better off without Brandon? I guess you didn't attend UTL? How about the Big Chill or those high def scoreboards, etc. etc. Is Brandon perfect? Hell no, but I for one applaud what he is trying to do and so far, he seems to be doing it very well.
The problem Saturday night wasn't Brandon, it was the harsh reality that was brought home that Michigan, as a program, still has a long way to go. Give this program a few more years and I suspect you will find a very different talent level.
Brandon has been absolutely awesome. Period. People bitch and bitch about how he loves his money, but I don't hear any complaints about the new NCAA sport, or any of the upgrades to any facilities. These things cost money. We can't have all the nice things if we don't raise the $ to go with them.
Yep digesting. Usually the endpoint of digesting, you shit out a brown turd. Exactly describes this post.
The original poster wants Martin back cause it was all perfect then.
Our teams didn't look like an Arena Football team in ugly uni's back then. The only thing Martin screwed up was the Les Miles deal. And I am happy he did.
And letting a cancer of nepotism develop that led to the backstabbing under rich rod.
Why is there so much complaining on this board? Alabama beat us and we will be better. Injuries happen, so let us stop crying over every bad thing that happen on Saturday. Coach Hoke did not make any excuses and neither should we.
M knows what it will take to compete for a NC, and how much work needs to be put in. Games like that turns boys into men. I think everyone will be supremely impressed with how this team rebounds from this.
It was a loss!! One loss!! Our program isn't going to be removed from the big 10, the stadium isn't being closed and guess what..... The sun still came up today over the Eastern sky.
Negativity of the fan base is mind blowing. Have faith the coaches will coach 'em up this week, they come out prepared and beat Air Force!
Brandon is probably working on closing the stadium as we speak, with a dome to match his buddys' in Texas
There are some fantastic posts this morning, keep up the good work!
After 24 hours of digesting, didn't we have the obligtary "Y U DO THIS TO US DAVE BRANDON" thread yesterday?
If Dave Brandon "caring about winning" is code wording for being allergic to scheduling premiere non-conf games in the coming years, then I completely disagree. Gimme a 'Bama-type game every few years, and I'm a happy man. (Granted, the ND game used to be the automatic premiere game in the late '80's-early 90's, but I won't count it as such until both our squads regain national relevance. )
I think Brian needs to post MOAR KITTENS today to keep everyone from jumping off the cliff.
About 2/3 of the denizens of this blog jump off a cliff since this game.
'Waahhhhhhh, we played maybe the best team in the country and got curb stomped when we have little little talent and no high quality backups due to spotty recruiting and epic attrition.'
'Waaaahhhhhh, Dave Brandon is an asshole who hates the university and the football program because he planned for us to get curb stomped.'
There are a ton of people around here who are butthurt for no good reason. They need to man up and think logically about the state of the program and what db has done for the athletic department.
Oh no, definitely derp...
We lost to a Good team, possibly the best in the country.....
Get over it. We will win some games, and we will lose some games. Brady Hoke will get this program where we will compete with Alabama.
Right now, they are way ahead of us.
It took you 24 hours to come up with this shit? A bunch of drunk fuks came up with the same nonsense 30 seconds after the game had ended. What took so long?
The problem for me is that we gave them that much time on the biggest stage in college football in the opening game of the year.
It's absolutely true that Bama will beat other teams worse--they did all last year, and to most of the SEC. But we sure placed a bullseye on our backs for cheap shots. Coming up a national laughing stock on a regular basis is an iffy proposition to regain the old perch atop the national scene.
When damn-fool MSU players who got beat by a bigger margin by the same team a year and a half ago are twittering about how your QB sucks, well. . . I just hope that Brady Hoke is printing big banners with some of those quotes on his Commodore 64 right now to put up all over Schembechler.
EDIT: If Brandon scheduled this one when RR was coach that does change things for me, though.
EDIT: confirmed scheduled in 2010 from this source, interesting piece that discusses oversigning, too:
Hey I tipped you $3 for the pizza now step off bitch.
This. I want to absolutely demolish Sparty this year.
is readjusting expectations for the rest of the season, and perhaps beyond. Like it or not, that game erased any national respect Michigan had regained after last season. I guess it is time change focus back to regional competition, and the idea that the Big Ten is our world for right now, and that venturing into other seas in terms of forming my personal definition of what this team is right now is not a good idea. Winning the Sugar Bowl was a lot of fun, but in reality we never were a BCS team and we did not beat a BCS caliber team in the Sugar Bowl. The Bama game hype and our preseason ranking reinfoced a myth about us that I really knew not to believe to begin with. It is time, for me at least, to begin to get back in touch with reality in terms of what this team is and what I should define success as in my head.
National respect wins games?
I would have thought recruiting, development, and coaching wins games. You don't think a 3-9 season or an even worse curb stomping in a bowl game to a mediocre team damaged national cachet?
The only thing that matters on a yearly basis is being good teams. Most of us knew Michigan's team has less overall talent and less depth than last year (not including true freshmen) than last year.
This crying and whining is already overdone.
Look at reality. This was never going to be an elite team this year. It won't be for at least 3 years. Deal with it.
Maybe even next year if Bellomy develops rapidly.
If everyone Hoke recruited develops optimally. Position groups are a waste land if you only look at rr's recruiting.
said that was what I was going to do.
Stop being such a fucking baby.
that if it was so predictable that Alabama would use MSU's defensive strategy that even I could predict it, why could our coaches not plan for it better? Yes, Alabama has great talent, and maybe there is not a plan that could beat them, but what will we do differently against Sparty? I don't want to see this same game for a third time in October.
times that when i come to this site that i wonder why brian doesn't have Emo music playing in the background...
as chunkums said above this game was scheduled in RR's 3rd year thinking that it would be his 5th when the game was played, and that we would a national power by then, well we all saw how that turned out. imagine if GERG was still coaching the D on saturday night, bama might have hung 100 on us...
people we lost to the number 2 team in the country that is coming off of winning a MNC and has more talent on their 4th string then we do on out 1st string, so stop bitching and crying over missed calls and blaming DB for what happened and move on. we here on this board make fun of every other fan base that does the exact same thing but then we turn around and do it, hypocrite much?
was this loss as bad as toledo loss, the horror, the silence hell how about the 1994 colorado loss??? nope!!! it does suck to get embarrased on national TV, but its not the first time its happened, we had 3 years of that with RR... after those 3 years we should have thicker skin and should be able to handle this a lot better.
we have air force on saturday so lets start worrying about the triple option and what we are goin to do against that, instead of still talking about a game that was played 2 days ago, its in the past now so lets move on...
Expectations were too high this season.
It what ways is this squad better or equal to last year? - none
Like a few months of extra practice for Denard turns us into national champions.
Denard being a senior does NOT make up for all of the great players that graduated.
It's very possible we will have a worse record than last year and no BCS bowl.
Lastly, losing Toussaint was a big deal. With no decent back, the D just concentrated on Denard. This looked a lot like the Gator bowl two years ago.
will ever look as bad as that gator bowl loss...
Except getting smoked by the country's number 2 team in the first game of the year
Countess is out for the year per Sam Webb twitter... If you feel this is thread-worthy can someone make a new thread? I don't have enough points.
It's on the front page
I dont care what anybody says.
but you are saying this because why? Because I hold an opinion? Did I come to the wrong place to express my thoughts or opinions? Sorry, thought this was a forum for exactly that.
I'm open to hear your opinion / thoughts shirtless, but to just come on here to "police" anybody who has one is just, well......"gutless"
I didn't need 24 hours to calm down. I'm an adult (allegedly).
- The game was a good idea. If you polled the fans, the vast majority (without knowing the outcome) would prefer to play games like this.
- Financially, it works out better than a home and home.
- The gameplan was fine. It just didn't work out. National consensus was to beat Alabama you had to pick on their weakest unit. The DBs. (Weaker only in comparison to their run defense, still better than most teams on the planet.) Denard himself admitted that the game plan called for him to run more times than he did but he made the read to give up the ball. He admitted that he may have been mistaken in those reads and probably should have kept the ball more himself.
- The injuries were flukes. They all could have occurred in practice or playing any other MAC team.
- The decision to put Countess on punt coverage is worthy of debate. I side with Hoke on this one, but both sides have compelling arguments.
There are valid arguments against scheduling the Alabama game. The OP's theory that Brandon idolizes Jerry Jones and scheduled the game to be like Jerry isn't one of them, but in retrospect this game does appear to have done more harm than good. Whether it was a mistake to schedule this game is a fair question.
Do you realize Brandon scheduled this game when Rich Rod was still head coach? The idea was that by the time this game came around, we'd be fielding a true top 10 team that could compete with Bama, and not be in a rebuilding mode with a new coach.
sure did have a lot of confidence that RR would be our coach. You're right!
Since you seem to want a response, as chunkums has said above, Dave Brandon has done a lot for Michigan. A lot for M football and a lot for our other sports. Whether they disagree on unis or mega game slaughter, this is pretty apparent to most people.
So your last statement about DB seems like an emotional reaction, not a logical conclusion after 24 hours of cooling off.
But, and I say this as one who thinks we looked like glorified bumble bees on Saturday, I work with high school kids, and I have to admit, they really like crazy new uniforms. The longer I thought about the yellow striped ND unis from last year, the more I liked them, when I dropped my expectations of sameness and thought from a kids perspective.
And though some may disagree with the non-traditional bleacher, but brand appeal of the mega game scenario, it wasn't a bad idea from a hype perspective (though we lost). We have to keep coming up with ways to be "big" to future recruits, though we will always have the pipelines of our faithful reproducing and sending us fans.
I certainly do not want to play the #1 team every year, but it's good for the guys. They have big game experience and know what it takes to beat the best. I have no doubt this will make a difference this year in their development. That is Hoke's goal. He doesnt care about rankings. And he can't be bothered worrying about potential injuries. I've never heard of a coach shying away from games to avoid injuries. He wants to make our kids into championship players and I believe he can do it by the seasons end. They have a notch under their belts now even though they lost. One has to realize we likely would never have played a team of Bama's caliber this season, even in a bowl. Now we have. That's valuable to everyone from the Campbells he wants to turn into draft picks to the Richardsons and Pipkins who will carry that with them for 4-5 years. That's huge.
Bottom line, it is vastly overreacting to say Brandon is no good for Michigan football and though your points are arguable, it could be argued they have a positive effect for us overall.
Michigan would be better with Brandon and without this type of thread. I don't care what anyone says.
Edit: Dang it, Shirtless, my wit slept in.
What a bunch of babies the vast majority of this board is. We got beat by a better team and didn't look good doing it. Get over it and get on to the next game and realize that we are not going to face another team as talented as Alabama the rest of the season.
Of course, Brian's broken record stance against everything that Dave Brandon does certainly doesn't help matters as it provides all the whiney babies a target to blame everything on.
I am so damn tired of hearing about how Bama MUST cheat....how else could they get such good players otherwise? Or Bama players MUST not go to classes - how else could such good players remain elibible otherwise? And now bad idea to schedule Bama cause they...you know...kinda beat us and all.
We got a nationally televised beat down from a team way, way better than us. Deal with it ;people and quit acting like a bunch of 9 year old kids who want to go and tell mom that their brother Billy is picking on him instead of actually doing something about it.
I still have the shits!
I'm no fan of Brandon, but this was a good scheduling move.
M can tell recruits that they will play in games like this, be challenged, and have a chance to play and contribute to a team on a national stage.
Sure, we got clobbered, that happens sometimes when you schedule strong opponents. It will still prove to be a good thing for the program in the long run.
Can we also put the uniforms behind us? These uniforms were almost as ugly as the ones we wore during the State game last year.
Getting kind of sick of hearing crap like this over and over again on this site. It was one loss, and it's time to get over it. We might have just played the best team in the country - they will more than likely make several other respectable teams look foolish before the end of the year. The talent disparity is undeniable, but should narrow considerably in the coming years if we keep recruiting like we are. But I will say I was proud they still looked like they were playing hard and fast out there even when the game was all but decided.
I think your concerns are a little far-fetched. I bet we don't lose a single recruit due to this and still finish our class in the top 3 rankings of all the major recruiting sites. I bet one of our corners step up and fills in for Countess just fine. And I bet all of them are waking up this morning and, rather than whining about the game or feeling sorry for themselves, are going in to watch film, lift, and practice so they can get better for next week (unless they get Labor day off of course.. in which case they'll come in tomorrow). If people like Jordan Kovacs and Denard gave up on this team as quickly as some of the people on this site, we really would be in for a godawful year, but thankfully they have much more resolve than that.
In the coaches offices or in the locker room think this. I bet all of them believe that they could have done a better job and missed an opportunity in showing Michigan football. It's hard to believe anyone in the program is looking to play the blame game. Just accept it, learn from it and move on. We as fans should do the same.
frankly i don't much want to discuss DB. Much more interesting to discuss football. ADs are only so interesting, and frankly ours seems to be fine. He may have some bad taste (e.g., some of the music being piped into the stadium), but scheduling Alabama in a nationally-televised game is hardly something to fault him for. The only thing you could blame him for is not forseeing that RichRod would be gone, and that a new coach would be taking on a powerhouse with an understaffed team. Hard to predict that, don't you think?
I will be the first one to say that we probably lost more than we can potentially gain from playing this game, but hindsight is 20/20. How could we have predicted such a beating and Countess and Lewan getting injured? Granted we may be better suited to play this game in 2 years, but two years ago when it was originally scheduled we probably thought the same thing.
Ultimately how we respond to this is what will determine the positives. We lost, but losing so poorly doesn't make any more than one loss occur. It's still just one loss. It needs to be kept in perspective. We still have 11 other opportunities to win games. The only thing that can make it worse is by focusing on the negatives. If the team uses this as a learning process, it has potential to help us against other physical teams like Notre Dame and MSU. It definately helped us our entire offseason and I think that will continue to pay off. So, lets get over ourselves and stop having a pity party over one game.
We all know we are still rebuilding. I know last year got us all excited, but we had some really close games go our way, which could have easily gone the other way especially in the Notre Dame and Virgina Tech games. We had no business winning either of those games. Heck, if Braxton Miller could complete a pass OSU would have beaten us. I think we need to have a little patience. There is still a discrepency between teams like Bama and us. Give Hoke's recruiting a chance to fill out our roster and let the season play out. And, finally, lets be good sports. No one likes Saban or the SEC, but we all make our own choices. Lets live with ours like real men and give credits to others when they are due. They beat us, congradualate them, don't dwell on the negatives, move on, and get to work for next week!
To be fair, though, Alabama's formula was to have future early round draft picks manning just about every position. I am not sure that any other team on our schedule will come even close to that level of physical superiority.
As the OP wonders, here is at least a snippet of what Brandon was thinking is in this article, published the day after the game was made official in 2010.
Among other things mentioned, he talks about creating "rare and exceptional" opportunities to create unique matchups in interesting venues. I would say that playing Alabama in Dallas would constitute exactly this, and it is something that the program should do now and again because of the exposure and the experience it gives the players and staff. Alabama is supposedly difficult to schedule in this fashion, and to play them is gets people interested in Michigan regardless of the outcome, and I think that's what we want as fans.
It's a challenge, it's a measuring stick - you learn from these games what it will take to be competitive with a team like Alabama, and for everything that people say about David Brandon, don't you want an AD that cares enough about the team to get you the spotlight now and again? Brandon doesn't work out these deals to create situations where we lose a starting corner or a guard (in the case of the former, for the season), but because he would like Michigan football on the national consciousness as it traditionally has been. I don't have a problem with that personally.