24/7 Update puts three recruits in top 250
Kevonte Henry: unranked to 200
Mason Graham: up to 213
Colston Loveland: Just into ranking at 246.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^
Mason Graham to 213 is insane. Hopefully they're right and points the quality of Michigan scouting and evaluation.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
Based on his film compared to AVS, i think this is very accurate. He is good - but i would not move him any higher than this.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:44 PM ^
Good to know what you would/wouldn't do.
October 20th, 2021 at 2:09 PM ^
These post always crack me up. You wouldn't put him any higher because you've scouted the 215 recruits in front of him. Smh...
October 20th, 2021 at 2:39 PM ^
When you have followed recruiting for 25+ years, you get a feel for what a top 50, top 250, outside the top 1000 recruit is. At a low level, sure, i would not say he should be somewhere between the 101 and 104 recruit. Oh, Smh....
October 20th, 2021 at 3:50 PM ^
Following recruiting and seeing 200 kids play enough to determine a rating are vastly different things, but cool, you do you.
October 20th, 2021 at 6:46 PM ^
Where did your "following recruiting for 25+ years" expertise have Kwitty Paye ranked? I'm sure you had him at a 5 star level, right? Because he was rated as a very low 3 star, who was drafted in the first round.
As far as his film vs AVS goes. Graham is being ridiculously productive in the hardest level of California high schools. AVS is playing against Michigan high school competition. Nobody in their right mind will confuse Michigan high school football with the highest level of California high school football.
Clearly, Graham is a legitimately good player.
October 20th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^
Graham is crushing competition in California. AVS is going against teams that are lucky to have kids go D2.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^
Borat would call this very nice
October 20th, 2021 at 12:17 PM ^
Poor Seth. Just when he's catching up on his hello posts, he needs to edit them.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^
Josh Conerly moved up to #9 in the country and the #1 OT.
Sherrone Moore seems to be quite the force….And even more so if he can close Conerly.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:58 PM ^
Kids really gravitate towards him. He is a natural leader with good wits.
October 20th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^
Has there been any more information on Conerly?
October 20th, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^
Weird, almost like when people were saying Michigan got in on some under the radar guys that were poised for big jumps once the recruiting services actually evaluated them were on to something.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:34 PM ^
Even more bizarre is how many of the lower ranked guys they missed on that moved as well.
Jahlil Florence is a top 70 prospect now for example
I also found it interesting that Justice Finkley was described by the 247 analysts essentially how U of M saw him, as they noted they dropped him due to his frame and his ranking being a little inflated by production and not potential
October 20th, 2021 at 12:40 PM ^
I don’t think it’s that bizarre really. Michigan is making a habit of things like this. This staff has deserved its fair share of criticism over the years, but talent evaluation of unheralded recruits has been an A+. Michigan has made a habit of uncovering guys before their recruitment has exploded. Sometimes the rankings eventually catch up, sometimes they stay ranked lower. They don’t always end up coming to Michigan either (Delp is a good example of that)
Michigan uncovers a kid like Kwity Paye when he’s ranked just inside the top 1000. Sites eventually give him a bit of recognition and bump him up to a top 500 recruit, and Michigan turns him into a 1st rounder.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:45 PM ^
Sorry, I was being sarcastic.
I agree completely with what you said and think it's blatantly obvious, which is why I felt my sarcasm was going to be obvious, my bad.
+1 for like-minded thinking
October 20th, 2021 at 12:57 PM ^
is john beilein doing football recruiting for UM now?
October 20th, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^
Would be interesting to see an analysis of Harbaugh’s lower-rated recruits vs higher-rated recruits and how they ended up performing compared to their rating.
October 20th, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^
You’d need to find a way to quantify what the expectations of a player are in relation to his ranking. And then account for the fact that there’s virtually no way for a recruit like Rashan Gary to surpass expectations while a player like Ronnie Bell, who was unknown as a recruit, getting any production (let alone how much production he’s actually provided) would score astronomically.
October 20th, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^
Other than the fact it's a whole new staff, I agree.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^
I've assumed the past two years have really thrown recruiting services for a loop with limited access and guys missing whole seasons, so in particular fans should put their faith in the evaluations by staffs because those are going to be way more illustrative than a couple of camps here or there.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:33 PM ^
Tyler Morris moved from 74 to 84
Will Johnson from 33 to 35
Deone Walker continues to move, from 258 to 197, so really hoping we land him
October 20th, 2021 at 2:22 PM ^
These people who adjust the rankings must not have any respect for eastside football talent. Will Johnson is dominant each week. Then he drops after the camp season ends. Weird.
October 20th, 2021 at 3:28 PM ^
Will Johnson dropped three spots on the Composite to 16, and his ranking went from .9918 to .9915.
For the Top 247, he dropped two spots, but kept his 95 rating.
These drops are not significant and is mostly due to other guys moving up versus them being down on him.
October 20th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
Good to see some vindication of the scouting by M coaches. FWIW the unranked LB from Illinois M offered last week now is a 4-star to one site and has an OSU offer.
Note: All these are 247's rankings - the composite on these fellows is still in the 400-500 range though I expect Rivals will be doing some significant re-ranking as well. ESPN will remain the same........ because ESPN.
On a side note - 247 dropped Will Johnson to a 4-star at about #35overall (He is still #16 overall and a 5* on the composite) -- I only know this as I check the "Ha Ha Michigan sucks" circle jerk over at tRCMB -- aka the MgoBlog Imploding thread -- on a semi-weekly basis.
It is really frustrating that our vast and comprehensive Blue-wall conspiracy misses a kid like Will while inflating the rankings of the others. Does anyone have the secret phone number handy that I can call to get this fixed? (They also are really slacking on the systematic downgrading of MSU commits and must not have realized that Damani Dent committed earlier this week.) I hate to ask, but I am having issues reading the super-secret MGoMicrochip in my arm.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:00 PM ^
October 20th, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
I've never read RCMB and never thought about what they post. That would be like inhaling the asbestos after they burn their couches.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
I don't live in state so maybe I subconsciously feel the need to subject myself to what my Michigander brethren get on a daily basis.
The RCMB has many similarities to here - forever pessimists, unhinged optimists, people willing to argue to the death over a small detail or opinion etc ----- but, it also "goes up to 11", has none of the (attempted) civility we aspire to, and really gives an outsider an overall feel of what it means be the perpetual "little brother" in terms of bitterness, envy, and even hatred. Makes me feel like a bit of an amateur psychologist observing a behavioral experiment.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
I like your perspective.
Say Hi to my nephew, also in AZ.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^
I take a stroll over there maybe once a week. I enjoy the change of scenery. Fewer pretentious dbags, more unabashed idiots.
October 20th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^
the "Ha Ha Michigan sucks" circle jerk over at tRCMB -- aka the MgoBlog Imploding thread
Wait, so the "MGoBlog Imploding" thread is not about MGB going nuts over something stupid, but about msu/rcmb posters dissing on MGB? Do they know what "imploding" means?
October 20th, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^
I like the younger staff and should pay dividends in recruiting.
Just keep winning and everything will fall into place :)
October 20th, 2021 at 12:54 PM ^
Interesting bit of news: DE mykel Williams decommitted from USC and committed to Georgia. Maybe this will be a sign to Domani Jackson that the ship is sinking...
October 20th, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^
yeah, i'm actually torn on this weeks USC at ND game. Usually i root hard for USC, but i want them to implode as much as possible to raise our chances with Domani Jackson.
October 21st, 2021 at 3:44 PM ^
Nah, just root for Notre Dame to lose. Domani’s dad has already said something to the effect of what USC does doesn’t matter now, just who they hire.
October 22nd, 2021 at 4:41 AM ^
But his main recruiter is the interim HC. Maybe USC isn't really considering him for the top job, but it really only seems it could benefit with them losing. Of course we compete with ND for a lot of recruits too though.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^
Are we in on any LSU recruits who might shake loose with the coaching change?
October 20th, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^
Mel Tucker is supposed to be one hell of a recruiter, I suspect he will be able to keep most of them.....
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October 20th, 2021 at 2:03 PM ^
"supposed to be".....Based on what and says whom?
October 20th, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^
Well they currently have (at least before re-rank) the number 4 class in the B1G behind PSU, OSU, and M.
October 20th, 2021 at 5:03 PM ^
I think they were making a joke regarding the rumors that Mel is one of the targets for LSU's coaching search.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:12 PM ^
Another notable move - the ILB from Chicago, Jimmy Rolder, went from "not scouted" to 4 star (333rd)
October 20th, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
i did a search to see the full list and it pulled up 2021... my god... OSu had 6 of the top 11 overall... which means itll pay off for them in the next 1-2 years. we're going to have to play them toe to toe with lesser talent to start reeling in some of the bigger fish.
I then looked at the top ranked in 2022 in Michigan - and though we have #1, we seem to have been in on 4-5 others near the top and none are coming here. Just an observation on what I think is overall a pretty solid class in state.
I'd trade a loss @MSU and @PSU for a win vs. OSU. What would you offer up to the gods for an OSU win? Would you take a NW, Maryland and Indiana loss for wins against 2 of the other 3? What about losing all of our remaining games EXCEPT osu?
October 20th, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^
How about we win, one week at a time, all of our remaining games, including OSU?
October 20th, 2021 at 1:29 PM ^
I want to win as many games as possible as that gives UM the best shot at winning a division and Big Ten title, and of reaching a Playoff or NY6 game.
I would not trade two losses just to beat OSU. If UM finishes 10-2 and beats OSU, they for sure finish lower in the standings and likely in the rankings than 11-1 with the only loss to OSU.
The other two scenarios are just silly.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
My offer is this: nothing. Not even the fees to pay for the early season tomato cans, which I'd appreciate the football gods putting up personally.
October 20th, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^
I would trade a loss to Penn State, for wins against MSU, OSU & everyone else.
October 20th, 2021 at 5:16 PM ^
I would gladly trade this cow for some magic beans.
October 20th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^
Oh Lord Jehovah I offer you these 15...Ten! Ten burnt offerings!