19 Former 3 Star Recruits Expected to Have Major Roles in UM Football in 2019
There are 19 former 3-star recruits that the author says will be expected to have major roles in UM football this year:
Jon Runyan Mike Danna Sean McKeon Mike Dwumfor Devin Gil Khaleke Hudson
Josh Metellus Nick Eubanks Josh Uche Kwity Paye Ben Mason Andrew Steuber
J'Marick Woods Brad Hawkins Christian Turner Vincent Gray Ben Van Sumeren
Ronnie Bell Mike Sainristil
Hope for player development by coaching staff.
I don’t know if that’s good that we are finding diamonds in the rough or bad that our 4 and 5 stars aren’t tapping into their potential as well as some of these other guys.
obviously some are like DPJ. But still.
This is mgoblog...so it's bad.
BPONE baby
Yes, and the BPONE is strong with this one (OP).
You need a stronger password, EQ. MrSpot must have hacked into your account
Yes password is never a good password
.....actually it is one of the best as it is easy to remember. I highly recommend that everyone use that.
Outside of the obvious NFL prospects (Gary, Peppers, Hill, etc) I wouldn't put too much stock in what the "scouts" at Rivals/247 have to say. They want subscribers. It's a business.
True. But also wrong. It's beyond debate after at least two dozen looks at it, that the ratings matter. They don't guarantee, but nothing does in human evaluation. 1st round draft picks don't pan out sometimes and 6th rounders sometimes become the greatest QB in history, but 10 out of 10 times you want the 1st round pick.
Ratings only matter so much. The top 30 elite guys almost every school would love to have. Not all of those guys are Michigan type recruits though. From there it's basically a crap shoot. Look at the NFL Draft-- they have way more data points on guys and have entire staffs to scout and form opinions on players and they still have a high bust rate. It's all about getting dudes that fit your system and have projectability.
Michigan like schools like Alabama, Clemson, OSU, etc has a prototype they look for in prospects. They have an NFL-style system run by a former NFL GM and Sean McGee in place and they trust their evals on guys way more than any star ranking. Coupled with seeing them in person and all their due diligence put them way ahead of any recruiting service. This whole star-gazing aspect is hilarious to folks on college staffs across America. I can list dozens of names of guys that are ranked highly on Rivals or ESPN that aren't even on some college's boards.
Here we go again....you are right, on an individual basis you can name so many 5 & high 4 stars who were either not drafted or did not stick in the NFL AND lots of 3 stars who are/were All-Pros.
HOWEVER, in the aggregate and when you are comparing top programs which had good coaches on both sides of the field, 5 and high 4 stars as a percentage of their underlying population do better than the population of 3 stars. So with everything else be equal, the odds in the aggregate and over time are better for a team which has more 5 and high 4 stars vs. 3 stars.
Ummm....so? The problem with the Stargazers is that they know about the correlation between rankings and on-field success....and pretty much nothing else about recruiting. It's basically GM mode on a video game to them. They have zero ability to put a recruit's ranking into any kind of context. Why even participate in recruiting discussions if your take on Michigan's class is going to be entirely dependent on the the final 24/7 composite ranking? Just wait until December and give your predictable "Too many 3 stars!" take and leave it to the rest of us who actually watch film, follow players, read analysis etc. I don't know that much about recruiting but I know enough to spot someone who knows even less.
Keep fighting the Doras Bri!
But that’s the problem. We aren’t talking about hundreds of 4/5 stars and comparing them to thousands of three stars. We ARE talking about individuals. We’re talking about maybe a dozen three star recruits in a year. We’re talking about people bitching about every single three star individual.
That’s where rankings aren’t important, and that’s what we’re dealing with in terms of this program’s recruiting. Individuals. Not the concept of three stars versus four stars versus five stars. It’s this staff, going out, evaluating players, and bringing in the players they like. Simple as that.
Star gazing might be hilarious to the college staffs, but have you noticed that the top 100 rated players are usually the ones with all the top offers from the elite schools? You don’t see too many guys ranked in the top 300 who only have offers from Rutgers and Illinois. If recruiting services were so wrong, Alabama wouldn’t be in the Championship game every year.
Why doesn’t this argument come out when we land a five star commit? Where are the people saying don’t count on Dax Hill contributing this year. He may have been a five star, but these recruiting services are a joke.
That's great!
......since 11 3*s went in the first round
and as many three stars as we recruit we might have three of those on our team /s
I honestly don't care about stars, but I do care about the draft. If those guys get drafted, or make teams as FA, that means they were pretty damn good players. The most important thing is winning games, and I believe this roster will win more games that any roster he has had since Harbaugh has been here. IMO, the missing link on all of our past teams, has been that consistent difference make on offense. Every great team has a play maker the other team should have to scheme to stop. This team, should have that, finally. Whether its Shea, DPJ, Nico, or all of them, we shall see.
Hopefully they do great. Otherwise the star gazers will be put for blood.
Wasn't Runyon first team All-B1G?
After his performance against OSU and Florida I wouldn't put much stock in any "All-B1G" lists. It's cool that he got there but the results on the field against our toughest opponents were shaky at best.
Yes, we're doomed for another shitty 10-11 win season.
11 wins would be the best year of Harbaugh’s Michigan tenure. Sad that people wouldn’t be happy with that.
I think the unspoken piece here is where those 10-11 wins come. I don’t want to speak for everybody but I know personally; the 10 win seasons would feel much different IF WE BEAT OHIO STATE
I mean, that's obvious right? But there have been 3 ten win seasons in the last 4 years. That's really very good. Came within a whisper (2016) and a pulse-existent QB (2017) from beating OSU.
Agreed! Three 10-win seasons out of the last four--that's as many 10-win seasons as we had had in the previous twelve seasons.
If you told me that we'd win 11 games next year and every year after that and never once would win the NC or even make the final game, I'd take that right now and be happy to be a M fan.
And would you take 10 wins every year for the rest of your life if we never beat OSU and never won another Big Ten championship?
Seems like a lot of people here would.
And THAT’S the problem with this fan base. Far too willing to settle into complacency rather than striving for greatness.
Hahahahahaha holy shit if you think this fan base settles for complacency you must be new to Michigan fandom. ? welcome to your new fandom. You can collect your constant assumption that nothing will ever go our way at the registration table. The UNACCEPTABLE seminar starts at 5:30 and there’s counting stars 101 across the hall from the restrooms. Your negativity deposit is due on the first and fifteenth of every month or more often if you feel like it. Go Blue!!
I would take losing to Rutgers every year and not win the big 10 if we could trade that for beating osu I would take that in a heartbeat
Win a Big Ten title, Beat Ohio state and Michigan State
Everything else, including 10 wins, is fluff. Especially with how weak the bottom half of the big ten is with the expansion
I understand why there's the whole "treat every game the same" thing but this^^ is exactly right. UM/OSU are in a position where if they're good enough to consistently beat the other, they should be good enough to win the conference. If we beat OSU, we likely are in great shape to win the league.
And it isn't just the bottom half. Last year every team but Ohio State was overrated. The results proved it.
Me tough guy. Me talk loud on google
Exactly
Who said they would be sad about 11 wins?!?
Where are you getting 11 wins? Harbaugh has won 11 games only once as a D 1 coach.
That's like, 57 stars. Do the ambiguous double digit numbers scare any among us???
This is the piss for Maizen's Cheerios.
He hacked EQs account
There's a poster at Touch the Banner (WindyCityBlue, who has a name -- but not a posting style -- in common with someone here) that writes a lot like Maizen.
Thanks, this made me laugh.
Almost all of these players have proven to be good B1G level players. Some, like Hudson, Metellus, and Runyan have been All-B1G. Out of the projected starters out of this group, aside from maybe Gil, the rest have proven to be quality starters regardless of their starz
I mean this is good and bad but let’s face it we are not gonna be world beaters this year and we don’t need to be. Just go 10-2 with a win against osu and then go from there. I would be more than happy with that.
Many analysts out there are picking us to make the playoffs.
But if you notice his tone, world beaters and the playoffs still, wouldn’t be enough! Sad.
Youre trying to say 3 stars are OK? I don't really get the point
So we have 3 stars who play major roles on the team. Maybe that's why we don't have an elite football program
Can we get Moeller to come back and recruit ?
I get that 3 stars can rise to being the exception rather than the rule, but if those 3 stars are a half step slower, or not as football smart, or fall behind in ratings because they lack just a little less desire than the 4 and 5s, that may be why our season has ended so disappointingly. There is little substitute for speed, smarts and desire IMO. So many 3 star worry me. That said, coaching the players with the correct scheme is important. Either way, Im true blue, I can never give up on my team. Go Blue!