Its always a pleasure reading your posts but I am going to disagree with you and predict that Cardale Jones ends up at Illinois. He is gonna be the next Juice.
TomVH: QB Cardale Jones: Interesting Convo
Cardale Jones is a quarterback at Glenville, in Ohio, so he hates Michigan right? Well, I just had an interesting conversation with him. I actually ended up telling him halfway through, that I still wasn't sure if I believed what he's saying to me, because of his school affiliation.
I started out by asking him how Braxton Miller's recent commitment to Ohio State would affect him. He said it wouldn't. I took that as meaning that maybe he wasn't thinking about Ohio State seriously, but he told me that Miller wouldn't scare him away. I should note that Jones doesn't have an offer from OSU, and with Miller's commitment, likely won't get one. However, from my past experience, when a kid continues to talk about a school, it usually means that there's still mutual interest. None of that makes sense to me; I don't know why Ohio State would continue to pursue him.
The second part was that he told me he actually grew up a MIchigan fan, and he really likes the Wolverines. His words were, "I was a huge fan of them growing up, and now I have a chance to play for them, so what's not to like?"
I wanted to say, "Coach Ginn hates Michigan, stop lying to me!" but that came out as, "Wait, what?" Jones says he hasn't narrowed his list down, but he does really like Michigan.
I eventually, in a polite, subtle way, asked what coach Ginn's perspective on Michigan and head coach Rich Rodriguez was. Cardale told me that his coaches opinion doesn't matter, or change where he wants to end up. Coach Ginn told him to pick the place that he feels the most comfortable for the next 4-5 years. Read into that how you will.
I'm not usually a tin foil kinda guy, but there's some obvious links to Glenville's lack of friendship with Michigan. Take all of this FWIW, and I don't even really know what any of it means. I still think he'll end up at Cincinnati, or West Virginia. Just thought I would share.
Yeah, I've been sent messages since this post saying he will land other places than Cincinnati and West Virginia, so who knows.
how does he look in stars & stripes?
I find it VERY hard to believe Coach Ginn would ever ever allow a player of his to go to Michigan. Hopefully that changes.
One problem MM, Cardale isn't a runner like Juice was.
I've been tellin people on michigan Recruiting on FB i would love to land this guy .. he is very good and even though that coach doesn't like michigan at all that .. the tides are turning for us and we are starting to have a much larger pipeline and those ohio kids are starting to realize that michigan will be the real deal very soon ..
Here is to a hoping this kid can start a trend at that very talented school ..
i think Cardale is a better runner than people give him credit for. i also like that he'll have time to polish his skills if he ever came to A2 given the depth chart.
in the end ill still believe a GVille kid comes to UM only when it happens. too bad Cardale doesn't take the non offer from OSU personally.
If Rodriguez wants Cardale Jones to play QB, then I'm thinking he wants to move away from running the zone read option. That's the only logical conclusion. Jones isn't John Navarre, but I'm somewhat baffled that he would be recruited for a run-heavy attack.
I have no idea why you would say this . the kid is a pocket quarterback yes, but he runs a 4.5 forty he is fast . his team runs an O like Michigan does . they are little more power run than us but he would fit in just fine in michigans system
That was one 1 game . the state championship game and IMO he looked like he could run just fine . you have to look at the people he is running by . just because the kid looks slow doesn't mean he is . that 4.98 is a reported 40 too . but then again i really have no idea what is fast anymore people have such FAKE times that i don't know what to believe . all i know is DRob runs a 4.4 40 and not many people are close to him in a race which would mean most athletes run 4.5+ and a 4.9 though not a Drob speed would still be a good pick up for the team is he is willing to red-shirt and work on such things a speed, and his throwing motion
I've seen other film. He's just not all that fast.
he runs a 4.5 forty he is fast
Don't believe everything you read. There's no way in hell he runs a 4.5.
Again, great work here. You Rock!
Weren't Ginn Senior's problems maybe more with Carr & Co. and some weirdness with Ginn Junior's recruitment and perhaps less with M as a program?
Maybe things have thawed a bit in that respect and we might perhaps be looking at a new day in Glennville --> Michigan recruiting? Certainly not steering kids toward M, but no longer actively steering them away?
The whole Pierre Woods/Ginn Jr. thing was a copout. The change in coaches at Michigan meant we could actually maybe get the Glenville kids on campus (Marcus Hall official visit, Aundrey Walker at the February 20th Junior Day), but at the end of the day, we're still Michigan, and they're still a bunch of OSU fans.
some talk that Ginn Jr. wanted an offer from m and didn't get it?
Some background on the bad blood that would indicate that Ginn felt animosity toward previous coaches and less toward M.
...we would love to see you in a winged helmet.
I've actually had a conversation with another Glenville kid. Denzell Burton, who is a 2012 prospect. I asked him if he was an Ohio State fan and he said he was a fan. I then asked him " do you hate Michigan?" and he responded with "no, not at all. I actually kinda like them." I think the Glenville guys are giving Michigan a bit more of a look lately and will continue to. Hopefully we'll get a big commit out of there in the next couple years.
And by big commit out of Glenville, hopefully you mean that will be 6'5" 355 lb OL Aundrey Walker!
If I was an uber-talented high school QB that got dissed by my favorite in-state school, I would go play for their biggest rival and show them what they missed out on. Maybe this kid's competitive juices will get flowing, plus he says he liked UM growing up. You never know. I would love to see a few Miller (OSU) vs. Jones (UM) battles.
If memory servesme correctly and Tom can correct me, in the late 80's, two Ohio running backs were deciding where they wanted to go either Us or the them. Smith decided to take the OSU offer so we got Powers.
Addressing Tom's point about why Ohio State may still be recruiting Cardale Jones. IIRC, Michigan continued to recruit Tate Forcier even while we had verbal commitments from Beaver and Newsome. Its a long time until signing day and its not totally inconceivable that Braxton Miller may eventually sign elsewhere
The big difference there is that Tate had an offer from us the whole time, and Cardale does not. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept in contact with him a little, but even before Miller committed, Jones didn't have an offer, so he's clearly not a priority for them.
Thanks for the info, Tom. IME, getting just one big time prospect out of Glenville in the coming years would justify the continued recruiting efforts there. I mean, given the law of averages, we've got to get one eventually, right?
I mean, given the law of averages, we've got to get one eventually, right?
First and goal, M on Illinois' one yard line...
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