Don't tell Jim Mora: Finding a Plausible Path to the Playoff

Submitted by stephenrjking on

Michigan isn't going to the playoff.

No shame in that; we're building this year. The team is as good as we could have hoped for. The pathway is open for Michigan to win its way into Indianapolis, assuming Ohio State (or Penn State, I guess) knocks of MSU.

But the playoff discussion naturally came up tonight's playoff ranking post. And a good point was made--sooner or later a 2-loss team will make it. 

What would it take for it to be Michigan? We've all thought about it. We've talked about it. Yeah, it's bats, but #14 won the title last year and stuff. How could it happen now?

Well, let's start by saying that the unusually strong roster of undefeated and one-loss teams makes this a less likely season for this sort of event; this is not 2007 where LSU was the best of many, many 2-loss squads in a year where upsets started strong and never stopped.

Ok, but what it would take?

There are six "lanes" to get to the place where four teams are picked for the playoff. X (as used by others on the board) represents the number of losses, for reference.

Playoff Lanes
B1G Big 12 SEC Pac 12 ACC "Other"

X=0 Ohio State

X=0 Baylor X=1 Alabama X=1 Stanford X=0 Clemson X=1 Notre Dame

X=0 Iowa

X=0 Oklahoma State X=1 Florida X=1 Utah X=1 North Carolina X=0 Houston

X=1 Michigan State

X=1 Oklahoma X=1 LSU      

X=2 Michigan

X=1 TCU        

Out of the Big Ten, Michigan has the best chance of any current 2-loss team in the country to make the playoff. They are already the highest ranked team with such a record and a hypothetical B1G championship would involve beating both Ohio State and Iowa, both probably undefeated--an unimpeachable record. This scenario would also involve MSU losing at least once more, probably to Ohio State.

Such a result would, even with a worse record, probably propel Michigan to the top of the B1G "lane." Beating OSU and Iowa head-to-head should be enough to pass them in the minds of the committee with our resume (losses aren't that significant, but neither are at all bad and Utah was on the road).
Verdict: I WANT TO BELIEVE

What would then be needed is for two more lanes to fail to produce a team with a better resume; except for Houston and possibly UNC, this probably requires no team to finish with fewer than 2 losses. Also, let's assume for a moment that no conference gets two teams in, since I have hundreds of words of text already written that would be useless if that did occur. (Besides, I think the committee would rather have a strong 2-loss team than, say, LSU sneaking in on Alabama's coattails).

So, how could that happen? Let's assume, not unreasonably, that a Michigan team that accomplishes this will have the best rating of any 2-loss team in the country. Now, let's look at our "lanes" and see what our chances are:

The Big 12 is still very much up in the air, and the "big boys" still have a lot of games against each other, but it is hard to find a scenario where all teams end with at least 2 losses short of a highly improbably series of dramatic upsets to lesser foes. We're looking for realism here. A 1-loss or 0-loss Big 12 team will have wins over at least two of the power teams in the conference, both of which are high quality wins. That should be enough of a resume to get into the playoff over a 2-loss team. Jumping the Big 12's best candidate is unlikely. 
Verdict: Highly Improbable

The SEC is probably going to be won by Alabama going away; I am not enthusiastic about their chances of losing again before the playoff. However, there is at least a small possibility that Florida could lose to arch-rival Florida State and then beat Alabama in the SEC championship, which would leave them with 2 losses but a resume pretty similar to ours. Also, LSU is still hanging around with 1 loss, and they have a win over Florida; barring an upset (say, at Ole Miss) they are hard to ignore as well. The chances of the SEC getting left out are always small, and right now nearly nonexistent. 
Verdict: Highly Improbable

The ACC has fewer candidates, but its best candidate is the #1 team in the country with huge wins at home against Notre Dame and Florida State. Their three remaining regular season opponents should be walkovers; the ACC championship beckons, probably against a surging North Carolina team whose best win is... uh, Duke. Frankly, it is hard to see Clemson dropping two games the rest of the way; in the odd scenario where they did, their second loss is probably to North Carolina, and a (likely) 1-loss North Carolina team with a win over Clemson has a decent chance of jumping Michigan. Let's face it, Clemson is close to a lock.
Verdict: Highly Improbable

Three conferences, three near-locks for bids. What's left?

The Pac 12 has two reasonable playoff candidates: Stanford and our old friends at Utah. These two teams are the leading candidates to meet in the Pac-12 title game, which may be a playoff-elimination contest. However, these teams have something the previous scenarios do not: both have multiple losable games remaining on their schedule.

Utah travels to a struggling Arizona team this weekend, and while Arizona has been poor this is a very losable game for Utah. Next week they host a good UCLA team. If they somehow get by both of those (and Colorado the week following) they will be serious underdogs to Stanford in almost any scenario. There is a very good chance that they will lose again; and I believe Michigan at 2-losses with its quality of wins would jump them here despite head-to-head.

Stanford hosts Oregon, which now looks more like the Oregon we've expected the past few years, and travels to Cal. Those are not as dangerous as Utah's contests, but both are good teams and either could pull off the upset. Stanford also hosts Notre Dame... which, see below. It's possible that Stanford could lose the Pac 12 title game, but I don't consider it likely; the best scenario is for them to drop one of the next two games and then win out. Not assured, but... neither this nor the Utah scenario are at all ridiculous.
Verdict: Somewhat Plausible

Which brings us to "Other." I have Houston listed here because they could theoretically go undefeated with wins against Memphis and Navy and get at least some consideration if one-win teams aren't available, but I think it is unlikely.

But that leaves Notre Dame. And that's where Stanford again comes in, because after Wake and BC, Stanford is the conclusion to Notre Dame's season. At Stanford. Win and they're probably in. Lose and they have 2 (good) losses, but their best win is probably USC; they're out. Stanford is playing very well; there is a good chance they win here. 
Verdict: Very Plausible

So Stanford getting upset once but winning the Pac 12 vaults Michigan past that lane; Stanford beating Notre Dame likely jumps them above that one as well.

Michigan is not making the playoff. But, is there a scenario where they sneak in? The likeliest, by far, involves Stanford suffering an upset against a good team this Saturday or next, and then winning out. Not likely, exactly, but it could happen.

If, at the end of November 21, Michigan and Stanford both have two losses, I believe Michigan is very much alive in the playoff race. If not, Michigan would require a series of upsets so improbable that Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect themselves would appear in person to witness it.

I don't think Michigan is ready for the playoff yet. They probably won't get in. But... it's not impossible. I welcome other scenarios.

Comments

UMForLife

November 11th, 2015 at 7:29 AM ^

Another Scenario:

SEC: Florida loses to Florida State, but beats Alabama. No SEC team (ridiculous, right?) as Florida did not beat anyone that is good, but lost to both good teams they played. Alabama did not play in the championship game and has a bad loss against the "fake" Ole Miss. "No SEC Team"

Pac-12: Stanford beats ND and finishes with 2 losses. UTAH wins PAC-12 with 1 loss by beating Stanford. UTAH.

B12: B12 top teams all have at least 1 loss and Baylor has the best wins with 1 loss. Baylor

ACC: Clemson wins out. Clemson

B1G: OSU beats Michigan State. Michigan beats OSU (#3) and IOWA (#5 or #6).

For the fourth spot:

It comes down to 2 loss SEC team (Florida, Alabama), 1 loss SEC team (LSU), 2 losses B12 team, one 1 loss B12 team, 2 losses Pac-12, a 2 loss B12 team and Michigan. Of all teams, Michigan is chosen because they played more games than some of these teams, beaten #3, #5, #15-#19 NU and 10-2 BYU (possibly ranked) and won the conference championship.

So, playoff would be Clemson, UTAH, Baylor and Michigan.

Unlikely, but you asked for another scenario. By the way, thanks for doing this. I negged you only because I don't want to hear that Michigan is not going to the playoff. I live in a bubble.

Trebor

November 11th, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^

Dollars to donuts if the PAC-12 shakes out like you have it, Florida coming off a win over Alabama gets the nod over Michigan. They'll justify it by saying "Michigan already lost to Utah, let Florida have a shot."

The best outcome would probably be Mississippi State beating Alabama but losing to Ole Miss, and Ole Miss beating LSU. Florida losing to FSU but beating Alabama (who still wins the tiebreaker over LSU as both would be 6-2 in conference, with the Mississippi teams at 5-3) is now less impressive as Alabama would be 10-3, as opposed to Michigan's wins over a now 11-1 OSU and 12-1 Iowa to close out the season.

If you want a team out of the PAC-12, I think it's Stanford to avoid the "Utah already beat this team" arguments.

My (somewhat possible) dream scenario is:

B1G: Goes as necessary to get Michigan wins over previously-undefeated OSU and Iowa teams.

SEC: The LSU-Alabama-MSU-OM group cannibalizes itself as above. Florida at 11-2 with fewer impressive wins and similar quality losses to Michigan shouldn't make it, but never count out the SEC Spin Machine.

Big 12: Baylor wins out and gets a spot.

ACC: Clemson wins out and gets a spot. FSU losing to a respectable NCSt team this weekend would also help weaken a potential FSU win over Florida, but that's probably overkill.

PAC 12: Stanford wins out, Utah wins out the rest of the regular season to keep that loss as strong as possible.

Independents: If ND loses to Stanford, and both Stanford and Clemson make the playoff, I don't see how you could put ND in the playoff over Michigan. Michigan would finish the season so incredibly strong. ND's losses would unequivocally be stronger, but their best wins would be over Temple and Navy.

Alternate is the Big 12 ending up with Baylor losing to TCU and OkState, Oklahoma losing to Baylor, OkState losing to Oklahoma, and TCU losing to Oklahoma. Does OkState at 11-1 have a stronger resume than 11-2 Michigan? They'll have two wins over 10-2 teams and a loss to a 10-2 team, while Michigan would have wins over 12-1 and 11-1 teams, and losses to 11-2 and 10-2 teams.

stephenrjking

November 11th, 2015 at 8:59 AM ^

In that scenario the Baylor-TCU winner probably goes with one loss, unless Baylor has lost to OK State, in which case they (with one loss) would go with wins over Baylor and TCU. I understand what you're saying, but these games are all going to produce teams with a high-quality win, mitigating a lot of their current resume weakness.

alum96

November 11th, 2015 at 10:55 AM ^

Depends who the 1 loss team is IMO

Baylor with 1 loss is not going as their SOS is a joke.  Currently 89.  That will obv improve in these last 3 weeks but still.

OK State SOS now is 61, TCU 37, and OK 58.  So all those as 1 loss teams pose a danger.  UM's SOS is 50. (Sagarin)

So as we talk about beating Iowa and OSU as big bumps to our resumse those teams will likewise (if any win out etc) beating a bunch of top 15 teams as well.

Oklahoma to me remians the most dangerous 1 loss team because of brand - and I dont care what they say this is for TV and Oklahoma is a bllue blood.  If they knock off top 15 TCU, Baylor and OK state 3 weeks in a row they are getting in over a 2 loss UM with only 2 such wins.  In fact if they beat #6 Baylor and #15 TCU the next 2 weeks I expect them to displace ND at slot #4 and then they have OK state in the last week.

 

carolina blue

November 11th, 2015 at 11:04 AM ^

In my scenario, ou wins this week, loses next week, then wins on Ohio State week. They would knock down Baylor and ok st, and after losing to tcu, would be knocked down themselves. We would only need to worry about ok st who would have just lost its last game whereas we win ours plus another one the week after. No question we jump all of them.



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NQ8293

November 11th, 2015 at 11:03 AM ^

I agree with this. I took a closer look at the 4 Big 12 teams and the only quality opponents they play are each other, with the exception of maybe Tennessee for OU. Unless OU wins out, a 1 loss Big 12 champ has no more than 2 quality wins and 11 wins overall. Compare that to possibly 4 and 11 for UM, we should have the edge over Ok St, Baylor and TCU.

NittanyFan

November 11th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^

I'm not trying to be a jerk in pointing this out, but there's a very large "intangible" out there which would be working against Michigan if it came down to such a situation: politics.

Every single person on that 12-person committee is a politician of some sort.  Ohio State got in over Baylor/TCU last year.  Those folk being the political beings that they are --- I think there will be a sentiment in the room toward a "quid pro quo" and "we scratched the B1G's back last year, now we must return the favor." 

I'm NOT arguing that's fair.  But it may be reality.

SMJenkins3

November 11th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

I agree but, then OSU went on to win the championship.  So while BIg 12 can argue "we got screwed last year" it doesn't work so well since the team that got in above them won the whole thing.

 

I personally think that Michigan ends up ahead of any 1 loss Big 12 team but Oklahoma.  Based upon rankings right now, it certainly feels like the committee has no love for the Big 12.  

 

Look at it this way- TCU has 1 loss and we are ahead of them now.  They win out they add some quality wins, but they are over the same group of Big 12 that the committee is worried about.  We also would add 2 quaslity wins over the #2 or 3 ranked team (OSU) and the #4 or 5 ranked team.  (assuming no losses for Iowa and OSU).  

I just don't see any Big 12 team getting in with 1 loss (except OK since they already have one loss and are ahead of us)

 

NittanyFan

November 11th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^

4-teams having a chance is better than 2-teams, no doubt ----- but at least in the old way, we had fairly high transparency.  The BCS formula was what it was.  The formula may not have been perfect, but there was a algorithmic way for determining the 2 teams.  The 2 polls (Harris & Coaches) involved ~200 different voters in aggregate, and their final ballots were public.

Now, we just have 12 political types deciding things.  No real transparency. 

It's sort of like we looked to Capitol HIll in Washington DC and decided --- oh THAT system, let's duplicate THAT!!! 

Jevablue

November 11th, 2015 at 7:45 AM ^

 

Thanks for laying this out.  It will be interesting to see how much of the process ultimately is a function of momentun and how teams are peceived to be performing at the end of the year vs a strict body of work analysis.

Michigan most likely controls its destiny in the Big Ten "lane". The BIG brand is up a bit and Sparty will lose in Columbus. 

But even if the planets align, I have as much confidence in this process as I do with the braintrust in the booth making a proper targeting call.  But as Bo would say winning the Big Ten championship is what matters, you actually have to play for that.  People "vote" for the NC.

If this team gets to 12-2 after all the dust settles, even if win 12 is outside the playoff, I would still consider this season quite magical.

Thanks to Harbs for even the possibility!

markp

November 11th, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^

Not out of the question...

It's difficult to see an 11-2 B1G Champion Michigan Wolverines team (that just beat two top-5 un-defeated teams in back-to-back weeks) held out of the Playoff, regardless of who else is out there:

  1. Beat Indiana, move up 2 spots to #12 (we jumped 3 after beating Rutgers)
  2. Beat PSU, move up 2 spots to #10 (feasible with other teams losing)
  3. Beat top-5 OSU, move up 4 spots to #6 
  4. Beat top-5 Iowa, move up 2 spots to #4
  5. Hello playoff.

funkywolve

November 11th, 2015 at 11:16 AM ^

I don't think it's that difficult to see an 11-2 UM team not making the playoff.  A number of teams need to lose for an 11-2 UM team to make the playoff.  The good news is there are still a lot of games between teams ranked higher than UM but I seriously doubt a 2 loss UM team jumps undefeated teams from Power 5 conferences or a 1 loss ND or Bama.

GoBlueNorthside

November 11th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

Notre Dame is an ACC team. They're ACC for every other sport and they play half of their season against the ACC. The committee won't send both an ACC team and Notre Dame, that's ridiculous

Maybe in an 8-team playoff both could go, but not in a 4-team playoff.

funkywolve

November 11th, 2015 at 11:06 AM ^

one difference between ND this year and Baylor/TCU last year is the computers this year love ND.  

FEI rankings have ND with the #1 SOS.  Last year Baylor and TCU's SOS were 51 and 48.  At this point the best hopes for ND not making the playoffs are A) they lose one more game or B) if ND gets through the season with one loss you hope the Big 12, ACC and Big 10 all have an undefeated champion (which would obviously mean UM isn't winning the Big 10).  Assuming Bama wins out, it would come down to which one loss team the committee puts in the playoff (ND or Bama) because I don't think the committee could keep an undefeated Power 5 conference champion out of the playoff.

alum96

November 11th, 2015 at 10:50 AM ^

Do we go to the Big 10 CG no matter what if we beat OSU now that there can not be a 3 way tie?  i.e. we'd have 1 Big 10 loss and OSU would have 1 loss so by virtue of head to head we win and advance as long as we beat them head to head?

funkywolve

November 11th, 2015 at 10:59 AM ^

The Pac-12 south is still fairly wide open between Utah, USC and UCLA.  Utah has one loss and UCLA and USC have two losses.

UCLA and Utah control their destiny since they still have to play each other.  USC is hoping for another Utah loss and the Trojans winning out - in this scenario USC is going to the conference title game since they would win the head to head tiebreaker with Utah.  Not sure which of these 3 teams matches up best with Stanford.

plev72

November 11th, 2015 at 11:42 AM ^

I'd like to see a UM Utah rematch at the end of the season - not often (ever?) you've got two teams playing first game of the season and last game of the season.  Might be a better gauge of how far the team has progressed.

Ecky Pting

November 11th, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^

Some assertions based on S&P+ data to begin:

  • No other team outside of Clemson is expected to complete the regular season undefeated going into their respective conference championships.
  • The only other teams expected (by S&P+) to have 11 wins (not including conference championships) are OSU, Iowa, OK State and Houston.

OK State in all likelihood will win the Big12, ending up with one loss. However, not playing in a conference championship game "protects" OK State from an extra loss and as was done last season, the committee will take that into consideration. Houston being in a backwater conference will be sadly ignored. So provided U-M and Iowa win out (Iowa plays Minny & at Nebraska - not a sure thing), and U-M defeats undefeated top-4-at-the-time OSU and Iowa teams convincingly, I would tend to think the committee would seriously consider putting U-M ahead of a 1-loss Big12 champ OK State because OK State played one fewer game (at that point the Big12 would make moves to expand ASAP).

Regardless, even if U-M wins out and claims a B1G championship, I'm not gonna cry if they get left out of the playoff with two losses. I still believe unless a team can lay a legitimate claim to being in the TOP TWO, then if it gets left out of the final four it's not really of such great importance. The purpose of the playoff in the end is to pit the top two teams together.  Starting with four gives some leeway to teams who have an argument for being considered in the top two, and that is all...

Frankly, I'd be so happy to see U-M play a Pac-12 team in the Rose Bowl. Old dreams die hard.

tolmichfan

November 11th, 2015 at 11:50 AM ^

My rooting interest goes
PAC 12- USC winning out, Utah looses to UCLA, Stanford beats ND but looses to USC. This isn't very far fetched to happen and would keep the PAC 12 out of the playoff, and possibly knock out ND.

ACC- Clemson winning out. 1 playoff spot.

SEC- Bama winning out. 2 playoff spot. I'd like to see LSU loose again just to be sure there are no 2 sec teams in the playoff.

Big 12- Oklahoma State wins out. Giving 2 losses to Oklahoma, and Baylor will have a loss. Oklahoma beating Baylor and TCU. At this point Baylor TCU and Oklahoma will all have 2 losses. OSU gets the third playoff spot.

Big Ten- obvious Michigan 4th spot.

In this scenario I think Michigan has a very good shot at the playoffs, and I know a lot has to fall right, but I think it could happen.



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ak47

November 11th, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^

Plausible went out the window when we lost to msu.  We also need utah to lose just enough to not finish ahead of us but not enough to drop too far in the rankings.  We also need stanford to beat ND to knock them out but not win out. 

People keep trying to use last year with osu as precedent when saying a 2 loss Michigan could get in over a 1 loss big 12.  Last year isn't helpful at all, last year both the big 12 teams and osu had 1 loss.  They might penalize a big 12 champ but not so much that they wouldn't get in over a 2 loss team.  In this situation where everything goes perfectly for michigan in the big ten (iowa wins out, msu only has a loss to osu, northwestern wins out, and osu only has a loss to us) We would finish with 2 top 10-15 wins (iowa and osu) and 1 additional top 20 win (northwestern, maybe 2 if byu wins out but I'm not counting on them getting any love).  Compare that to lets say a 1 loss baylor who would conceviably also have two top 10-15 wins and only 1 loss.  Is a a win over northwestern really going to overcome an extra loss?  I don't think so.

edited to add I'm saying where teams will be considered in the final ranking not where they are at the time the game happened.  So Iowa might be #5 going into the championship game but if we were to embarass them like we would need to they would probably drop out of the top 10 because nobody actually thinks they are good and there best win would be northwestern.

carolina blue

November 11th, 2015 at 4:35 PM ^

I think you're underestimating the power of when losses happen. If the big 12 teams start losing now, jumping them is not that far fetched. The committee is clearly not convinced they are very good. Considering we would end the season on a 6 game win streak (when you include the btcg) and those teams would all have lost very recently, I think the committee may weigh that just enough in our favor. Also, a 42-3 win over Iowa looks a lot better than a 63-35 win over, say, ok state.



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ak47

November 11th, 2015 at 5:24 PM ^

I'm sure it matters a lot and is a reason I would be confident about a 1 loss Michigan team jumping a 1 loss Baylor or oklahoma state.  But we still have 2 losses and overcoming that is going to take more than "well Baylor lost to a top 10 1 loss team only 2 weeks ago and Michigans loss to a 2 loss top 20 team happened 7 weeks ago and there other loss to a top 15 team happened even longer ago"