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Who said Thanksgiving is a football weekend? Not anymore. It's all about the hoops, babby.

Screw the Lions. Screw the Cowboys. Screw the NFL and them shoving crappy games down our throat on a weekly basis. This is no longer their weekend. Maybe there are folks out there who dont know better, but the true sporting wonks know that for the last several years, this weekend has morphed from a football one into a college hoops weekend. Frankly, there is way more intriguing action on the hardwood today than on the gridiron.

And your Michigan Wolverines will be in the thick of it. In fact,  I wont even turn the LOLions game on. Especially since John Beilein's boys will be in action at same time playing their first legit foe of the season.

We all know the deal. Old Spice Classic. Orlando. Florida. State of. We all have high hopes that the Wolverine cagers will take the next step and be a Sweet 16 caliber team. Personally, I feel the, uh, ceiling can be much higher. However, hoops is a tricky game come March, and we've seen plenty of legit Final Four teams bow out before the first weekend of the tournament is even over. I am looking right at you, Wake Forest.

Translation: Let's not get too far ahead ourselves. March is a long way away. Let's buckle in and enjoy the ride. The team is good. They will be there at the end of the season. But, March Madness is not much different than the hockey tournament that MGoBrian complains is as finicky as a random number generator. The Michigan basketball program still needs to put consistent and achieving regular seasons together. Remember, this a program that has not won a Big 10 Title in 24 years and has not been in position to win one in 15 years. Beilein's task is not as much to turn Michigan into a Final Four team, but turn it into a Big 10 contender. If the latter gets accomplished, the former becomes easier just from a seeding standpoint alone.

If its not obvious from the ramblings of these opening graphs, I've been chugging rum in south Florida since Monday afternoon. So, before I get too wordy, let's just simply relish the start of the season and I'll briefly break down this field the only way I know how to: looking at odds, checking out preseason brackets and going by my world famous gut that has been tried and tested to work 51.9457 percent of the time.

Michigan enters this tournament as the betting favorite. Their odds to win are 3/1. Technically, they're the co-favorites. Possible second round foe Xavier shares the chalk role with 3/1 odds. I think both are solid bets. I have a hard time picturing a final without one of these teams coming out of this half of the bracket. And, you cant win  a future bet without a team in the finals.

After those squads, you have Florida State and Alabama at 4/1 odds. Both are on the other side of the bracket than Michigan. The Crimson Tide is a sucker bet. I dont know how strong they are. I dont think they beat Baylor in the opener. Yes, that is an official lean as to who I like in that game (Bama is favored by a single point). I would have thought FSU would be a solid play, but man, they looked awful the other night against the Gators. They had nothing going on offense. So far, uber-recruit Marcus Snear does not look ready to pick up any of the scoring slack left in the wake of Toney Douglass' departure. Snear had just five points against Florida and right now good defensive teams--which includes all four teams FSU might see should they even get to the finals--ought to be able to render the Noles impotent.

So, if you want to play a future bet, lay a little out there on either Michigan or Xavier. One of them will be in the finals. And, at 3/1 odds, there is some wiggle room to hedge that bet once Sunday rolls around.

But, the betting odds are for fun. The serious business is what kind of ramifcations will three days in late November have come mid-March and Selection Sunday? Looking back one year ago, you can say a lot.

In this very tournament last year, Oklahoma State and Siena battled for last place. And, yet, thanks to the RPI boost from playing three games against tough foes, neither were ever too far off the at-large bid radar. You can make a case that the Cowboys didnt really do anything from a quality win standpoint all season, yet they never fell out of too many mock brackets during the winter. Their 7th place finish, 1-2 record and win over Siena in this tourney last year kept inflating their resume. They parlayed that into a first round win over Tennessee in a 8/9 game in the NCAAs. The Saints, meanwhile, went 0-3 in last season's OSC. While we'll never know if they would have merited an at large--they made the point moot by winning the MAAC finals--they still got a generous seed compared to previous MAAC standards and in a 8/9 game beat Ohio State. Siena beat Ohio State. There is something poetic about those four words, n'est pas? But, I digress.

Conventional wisdon says this year's field is not as strong as last year's. I would not feel too good about a 7th place finish. But, its still pretty strong at the top. A team like Creighton, who plays Michigan in today's opener, would all but write their own at large ticket with a couple of wins today and tomorrow. Barring a MVC collapse, they will be on the board come March if they can get to Sunday's final. It may be too early to make these considerations, but tomorrow's nooner between the Jays and the Wolverines could end up being on the more important out of conference games of the season.

Did I really say it was too early to consider the possible bracket? Because that is hogwash. Before signing off, lets take a quick tour of the smattering of mock brackets that have already been put out there as part of people's preseason coverage and how it relates to this field.

According to ESPN's Joe Lunardi, only two teams in this field are early projections into the NCAA field. Michigan,a #4, and Xavier, a #8. Marquette is one of his final four teams out and Florida State is among the second final four left out of the field. Creighton is nowhere to be found and the only MVC team in his field in Northern Iowa, a #12, but the Jays are widely tabbed as one of the MVC favorites.

CollegeHoops.net actually places three teams fron this field: Michigan, #4; Xavier, #7 and Creighton, #11. Are you suddenly sweating today's game, MIchigan fans? Florida State makes the grade as one of their final four teams cut from the field.

The Sporting News published a bracket look-ahead in their preseason rag on newstands. Michigan, #6, Florida State, #7 and Xavier, #8 make thier field. They did not list the teams who just missed the cut. They did pick Creighton to finish in second place in the MVC. So, they Jays come highly regarded by their writers. Interesting stat from their preview article on CU, btw: Only Creighton, Florida, Duke, Gonzaga, Syracuse and Kansas have at least 11 consecutive winning seasons. The Jays are going for their 13th straight season of 20 or more wins. Yo.

Bracketology 101 lists Michigan as a #4, Xavier as a #10, FSU a final four out and Creighton as one of their next four teams out of the field.

The Bracket Matrix is already in gear with plenty of other way too early mocks to absorb. While some may find bracket crunching in November silly, I feel these mocks are way more tellin and engaging to look through than the polls. Those are, by and large, irrelevant in the college hoops world.

Obvioulsy, these snapshots are so early, they're not worth anything. But, you can see just how important tomorrow's game might be for Creighton. A win over Michigan and a good overall showing this week would put them on a lot of people's bracket lines and it would take a lot to budge them off. This game, in some ways, is a lot like that Boise/Oregon football game to start the season. It's much more important to the mid major. And, that makes tomorrow's noon tip way more exciting than anything the NFL is giving us during the day.

A year ago, Michigan was in the dumps with one of the longest tournament droughts within the BCS conference ranks. They were coming off an awful season. There was not much on the roster screaming big improvement.

Now, the Wolverines are ranked in the preseason polls, the betting favorite to win a Feast Week Tournament and considered a #4 seed via the consensus of preseason bracketologists. I am thankful for John Beilein.

Here's hoping the Wolverines can live up to the hype and not fall under the weight of the program's first bigtime expectations in over a decade.

(Diarist Note: I dont know how many of these hoop diaries I will do this season. This site was lacking last winter on hoops coverage, mostly because of Brian's sojourn abroad, but I never got the impression he was all that into it. Tim has set a pretty high bar so far for MGo hoops coverage. I dont want to be repititive. If anyone has ideas or hoop news they would like to see to supplement their coverage, feel free to drop me an idea.)

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November 26th, 2009 at 9:43 AM | Addendum: Siena beat Ohio (Score:1)
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Addendum: Siena beat Ohio State in Dayton!

Your previews of Big Ten games, and games that affect the bubble and UM's seeding were outstanding and I hope that continues this year.

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November 26th, 2009 at 9:49 AM | Great diary jamie. Maybe you (Score:1)
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Great diary jamie. Maybe you could do a weekly diary running down a few of the Big 10 match ups for the following week and save the other conferences for JC.

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November 26th, 2009 at 10:17 AM | Xavier (Score:1)
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I'm a Xavier student! (And diehard Michigan fan as well.) Therefore I found myself to be extremely happy reading this seeing that both of my favorite schools are projected to win the classic. It's both the Musketeers and Wolverines first true test to begin the season. I would be extremely happy to see both of them in the NCAA Tournament come March (although SI doesn't even project X to be one of the 64 teams). Go Blue and Go Muskies!

Michigan Football (2011 "The Game" winner)/ Xavier Basketball (2011 Crostown Shootout winner). A great year for college sports!

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November 26th, 2009 at 12:52 PM | Very well done, sir. (Score:1)
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Very well done, sir.

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November 26th, 2009 at 2:58 PM | here we go...... (Score:1)
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here we go......

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November 27th, 2009 at 11:43 AM | LOL (Score:1)
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Too funny, UNC.

I was thinking of throwing in a graph or two on how the early brackets were treating the Heels, just because I knew you would be reading!!

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November 26th, 2009 at 8:50 PM | Bullet dodged. (Score:1)
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Bullet dodged.

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November 26th, 2009 at 9:17 PM | Great to have you writing (Score:1)
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Great to have you writing these again, Jamie. One nitpick: we may be able to give them a different title than "Bubble News," since we are projected to make the tournament with a little more ease this year.

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November 27th, 2009 at 1:38 AM | Maybe... (Score:1)
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I'm suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome from the Amaker era but let's not count our eggs until they've hatched.

However, completely agree. Glad to see these posts back from JamieMac. Saves me a lot of time searching around the internets for results and analysis on other games.

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November 27th, 2009 at 9:45 AM | 24 Years? (Score:1)
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Great diary and I don't mean to quibble, but I seem to remember one Robert "Tractor" Traylor (before going on to fame and fortune in the Land of the Hittites) leading the Blue to a win in the inaugural B10 Tournament a scant 11 years ago.

Not to take anything away from the '85 Tarpley-Wade-Rellford-Joubert-Grant team that cleaned up the B10 my junior year before getting dumped out of the tournament in the 2nd round by Villanova. Oh, if we had only known then that Villanova would go on to upset Georgetown for the crown, maybe we would not have drunk so much that night?

Or the Big Ten champs of 1986 which lost to Johnny Orr and Iowa State in the 2nd round.

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November 27th, 2009 at 11:36 AM | Good points (Score:1)
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Although I should have clarified, I was speaking in terms of regular season titles, not three hot days in Indy (or chicago).

But, yes, 1985-86 was the last one, so 24 is correct as far a regular season crowns.....as far as the 15 years since last in position, I was referring to the Fab Four year of 1993-94 when all they needed was a win over NW in the finale to clinch the trophy. But, they lost and when Purdue won later in the weekend, they got the crown.

It just boggles my ming that Michigan hasnt really been a regular season contender in years.

Great memory, HK Blue. Man, that '86 team should have mopped the floor with the Clones.

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November 27th, 2009 at 9:56 AM | Jamie - I wouldn't change (Score:1)
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Jamie - I wouldn't change format at all. Most of us, as well as Tim, do a pretty good job of concentrating on the immediate Big 10 picture, and what's going on with Michigan, but I really liked how you traced out games played by our past and future competition and helped breakdown how results in those games would help our cause. I'm not aware of anyone else that was doing that, so...keep...doing it?

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November 27th, 2009 at 11:38 AM | Thanks guys (Score:1)
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Thanks guys. I will keep on keeping on, but I do hope as jmblue suggests we can ditch the title bubble news....maybe just bracket news......or maybe not worry about themed title at all.....topics will come up throughout the season, looking forward to doing more of these.

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November 27th, 2009 at 11:49 AM | It's now the 27th (Score:1)
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and we now know that Michigan defeated Creighton. I thought the Wolves played some inspired ball to come back on the...uh, fighting Creightons-okay, I'll go look up their nickname, the Bluejays!- which were playing some inspired ball themselves. Creighton looked to be in midseason form, up by 5 late, and showing no signs of allowing a less than sharp Michigan team get back in the game, but the Wolves turned it around to win it in O.T. Had it not been for some atrocious foul shooting, the team would have won it in regulation, but either way I was pleased that they had a 'notch' to turn it up to.

Big Ten Champs! Wow, is that something we can actually consider? I feel like Gimli talking about how long it had been since the dwarves had been in Moria. A march to a championship is certainly a tough row to hoe, but just knowing there is a chance, yes!

P.S. Your write up was spot on Jamie, down to the spot(s) of rum :)

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