Best and Worst: Illinois

Submitted by bronxblue on October 14th, 2019 at 1:56 AM

Best: Timebox

This will not come as a surprise to anyone who continues to recognize the pedantic, both-side-ism style I've adopted here at MGoBlog, but I was once a lawyer and am now a software developer. Don't ask why I did it, only understand that law school made it VERY clear you'll have a bear of a time discharging student loans once you've got them. In that sense, they're a lot like bed bugs, various STDs, and Scott Bell in MSU fans' heads. But one of the tenets of software development is a (at times slavish) focus on quantifying work and scheduling it so that an engineer's time is used most efficiently. There are a ton of different software development paradigms out there, but the one I've most often used is Agile. That methodology, in turn, employs a cornucopia of terms for what are, in the end, pretty benign ideas. But one in particular I've decided will be very applicable to this week's column.

Taken out of context, Timeboxing sounds like a bad Sci-Fi movie about time travel. But in this reality, it's just a term of specifying a limited amount of time to either fix a problem or better identify its complexity and plan future work accordingly. Basically, it lets you set aside some part of your time (usually a half or a full day) to determine if a problem can be fixed quickly (in which case you do it) or that it's a more complex undertaking and, with this knowledge, you can go back to your team to figure out how to proceed. Maybe you decide it's worth the hassle and dedicate more time and resources to it or, conversely, the cost is not worth the gain and you shunt it off for some time in the future when you've got some free time or it becomes more urgent.

For a brief look behind the curtain I will let you know that I usually write these columns Sunday afternoon/evening. My wife and kids have come to accept that I'm a weirdo about college sports and don't want to totally stunt what clearly keeps me somewhat sane during the fall, but they aren't inclined to let me spend hours doing so. As a result, I'm usually writing these in fits and spurts until night, at which point I'll hunker down for a couple of hours. If it was a particularly interesting or exciting game, or if some larger narrative discussion feels relevant, I'll spend a decent chunk of time on it; if it's Rutgers, less so. This game sorta feels like both but, I'll be honest, it's more the latter. Other than a 3rd quarter where Michigan sorta lost their minds on both sides of the ball, they played like a very good (but not elite) team on the road. There are things worthy of discussion but, honestly, a lot of it is simply superfluous chatter about Jim Harbaugh Experience or redundant hand-wringing about the state of the offense. So I'm time-boxing this diary to 2 hours; if I can't highlight something within that timeframe it probably isn't worth discussing.

Worst: Pre-Written Narrative

For most people, the only two possible narratives after this game were "it doesn't matter" (in the case of a blowout) or "life is awful so let's over-analyze everything" (anything else). The fact the game sorta occupied a middle ground of rote domination sprinkled with 15 minutes of bad play and bad luck muddies the water a bit, but I'd say the general response has been the latter. And while I get that everyone's breaking point is different, it has gotten somewhat exhausting to read the sheer number of "UNACCEPTABLE!" responses to 17-point wins. I'm sure someone will trot out that Michigan has failed to cover yet another spread (except the past two), or how the offense still moves in fits and starts, or how Shea Patterson missed someone who was open somewhere, and all the rest. It's all very interesting if you're trying to draw attention to your personal flavor of ennui, but otherwise it just feels like you'd wish Michigan had just simmed through the first 6 games so we can watch them play the games that "matter". Because there really isn't any winning for Michigan anymore; the minute they didn't set the world on fire offensively the knives were out and looking for heads to lop off. It's mostly the worst people saying it publicly, but they serve as the voice for a particular brand of disgruntled fans, and that acidity has permeated the broader consumption of the team.

Michigan is not a truly elite team; apparently Wisconsin and LSU are, Georgia is not, and the jury is still out on PSU and ND. They're better than they looked against Wisconsin but probably not much better than they did against Iowa. They still turn the ball over too much, they can't consistently throw AND run the ball at the same time, and their defense is aggressive and creative but still seems to have an A- ceiling, which comes as a noticeable downturn when compared to recent vintages. It is what it is, and while I do believe the offense has made some strides and the defense has shown a gear I didn't think they had as guys like Cam McGrone and Kwity Paye have emerged, it's unlikely that there's a phoenix about to rise up from Ann Arbor. But writing a team's eulogy halfway through the year just feels like an impossibly morose way to follow sports.

Best: The Contrarian Strikes Again

Last week I did that thing where I said Shea Patterson had a perfectly serviceable, bordering on sorta-good game, and that was definitely in the minority of viewpoints. I would never claim to know a ton about the intricacies of football; my brain has just enough space and processing power to remember basic food groups and which ones won't kill me, important dates, some phone numbers, and about half of the options of the Wheel of Morality. Trying to figure out if the right guard failed to properly handle a slanting defensive tackle on 2nd-and-6 is something I leave to the professionals. But I watched this game and, again, came away with the feeling that Patterson had a perfectly fine day given the conditions and overall game flow. Maybe I just have lowered expectations.

Top-line numbers weren't great; Patterson finished the day 11/22 for 194 yards and 3 TDs, plus 17 on the ground and a 1-yard TD that should have been Carlo Kemp's. 71 of his yards came on a nice Bell YAC, and he had a couple of nice throws to Eubanks, Schoonmaker, and DPJ. At the same time, he threw a ball to Black that was behind him, lost the ball a couple of times to Bell and Peoples-Jones, and undoubtedly missed someone downfield that I'm sure will be pointed out by others. At the same time, it sure seemed windy out there and, save for an underthrown ball to Imatorbhebhe that hung up and should have been picked by Metellus, nobody was really trying to push the ball downfield in the air. That's why I'm not inclined to ding him for "overthrowing" DPJ in the endzone; that's a tough ball to place in good weather, harder when it's windy enough that multiple pieces of trash and debris fly in and out of the frame throughout the afternoon.

But when Michigan needed Patterson to mount a scoring drive and put the game out of reach he did so. He was 3/4 for 35 yards (including the TD) and also picked up 20 yards on the ground on the first scoring drive of the 4th quarter, including a key 4th-down conversion when it sure seemed like somebody missed a block up front. And even some of his misses were pretty good; he looked off a safety and threaded a nice ball to DPJ in the endzone that was defended at the last moment. Again, if you thought he was a Heisman trophy finalist then this is yet another disappointing outing, but given what we've seen from this offense all year it felt markedly more coherent save for the seemingly-inevitable fumbles that submarined a couple of drives. But a Shea Patterson willing and able to run the ball a bit and who can hit guys in coverage has emerged these past couple of weeks, and considering how he looked to start the year this feels like a marked improvement.

Best: They Sorta Figured It Out

Michigan had 13 functional drives in this game (ignoring the end of both halves). They scored TDs on 6 of them, missed a FG on another, failed to convert on 4th down deep in Illinois territory, and fumbled two other times. Both fumbles were sort of inexplicable; Zach Charbonnet was definitely tripped on his one but otherwise seemed to have decent control of the ball; Tru Wilson picked up a first down and then the ball sorta just squirted out. I wish I could tell you there was some clear difference in how they team handles the ball this season but, to my eye, I don't see it. The recovered handoff by Patterson seemed like a dropped handoff by the back, as Patterson definitely looked surprised the ball was out and, frankly, he hasn't been pulling the ball a ton thus far. Turner was clearly down and it was sorta crazy the refs took multiple minutes to figure that out.

Otherwise, it was a pretty good showing by the offense. The picked up 310 yards rushing on 46 carries; that's a tidy 6.7 ypc. Both Charbonnet and Haskins cracked 100 yards, and showed the type of shiftiness and power we sort of expected both possessed. Tru Wilson also ran hard through contact, and it's nice to have him as an option in the passing game. And when called upon, Patterson showed the shiftiness and acceleration past defenders we saw last season; he's not as dynamic a runner as some QBs but he's good enough to keep defenses honest.

As noted above the passing game had some struggles but was pretty diverse, especially with Nico Collins out. I know people complain about guys like Bell and Eubanks getting so many balls their way, but they're getting open and, especially Bell, are making those opportunities count. And again, there were a couple of throws that absolutely hit guys in the hands and were dropped, though they were less egregious than in earlier games.

Still, that first half was about as coherent an offensive performance as the team has shown all season. If that carries over these next couple of weeks and the rate of inexplicable turnovers slows down (if not ceases), I don't see why they can't put some points up against the next couple of teams on the schedule.

Meh: Closing Time

On paper, the defense seemingly kept it's resurrection since Wisconsin apace; they picked up 12 TFLs, including 4 sacks, forced two fumbles and held Illinois to 3.6 ypp. Josh Uche absolutely dominated anyone he was matched up against, picking up 3 sacks as part of a 5 TFL game, and both Cam McGrone and Khaleke Hudson were blowing up numerous plays before they got going. And considering the team was without both Paye and Lavert Hill, it's hard to ask for much else.

And yet, four Illinois drives spanning the end of the half plus the 3rd quarter happened. For those 37 plays, Illinois did just enough mixing and matching of play calls, temp, and some luck to score 25 points. Everything that could go right for them seemingly did; guys who had been flying to the ball and swallowing up plays in the backfield all of a sudden couldn't tackle in space or cover a guy to save his life. A couple of times the Illini were able to get to the line quick enough to catch Michigan a bit off-guard, but more times than not they'd do the typical "run to the line, they pause and look at the sideline" routine most offenses do now. Illinois was called for 4 holding calls in this game but probably were guilty of a dozen more. Matt Robinson broke the pocket a number of times to find acres of field to run through; guys would just run themselves out of plays. It was, overall, a rough patch we haven't really seen from this team since Wisconsin.

Michigan fixed those deficiencies and compensated accordingly in that 4th quarter, but still it was a bit troubling to see those cracks in the armor. A decent chunk of it was likely focus; being up 28-0 and cruising along likely introduced a bit of complacency, as did being down a couple of starters. I'm not one to worry too much because neither PSU nor ND seem like teams expertly equipped to expose those weaknesses, but still a little jarring. That said, don't look now but Michigan is back up to top-20 nationally in sacks and sack rate, and have double-digit TFLs in back-to-back weeks. If they're going to have any luck slowing down PSU's and ND's offenses these next couple of games, getting consistent pressure is going to be huge.

Worst: Making Mistakes & Wasting Drives

Mason picking up a personal foul, plus a series of late hits out of bounds (one on Uche that was called, another on Gray that wasn't) were the types of plays you just can't make against better teams. I don't understand the desire to integrate Mason into te offense at this point; if the DT experiment is a flop (which it seems like), either bulk him up or wait until next year for him to transition back to the offense. Throwing some a pass to him after you've been gashing the Illini on the ground is a waste of a down, even if you think it'll put it on tape some opponents will need to plan for it. But I can accept a bad play not working out; Mason's decision to just smash a corner 4-5 steps away from the play was inexplicable. That turned a whatever play into a drive-killer.

The fumbles were the definition of random but both had significantly negative consequences. Turner's fumble gave Illinois a short field to get it within 1 score, while Charbonnet's turnover stymied a promising drive in Illinois territory. Again, random and all that, but still plays with amplified impacts on the game.

Quick Hits

  • People wanting to complain about that final drive of the game can if they want; I read it as a team comfortable with being up 21, knowing they'll get the ball to start the half, and not wanting to risk anything deep in their own endzone and wind swirling. I'm sure if they had cracked a big run they'd have tried to push it, but much like last weekend I thought the playcalls were appropriate for the situation.
  • The referees weren't particularly bad this game, but missing 12 men on the field by Illinois on their last scoring drive was annoying. How any referees can miss that almost immediately seems crazy to me.
  • Cam McGrone is going to be a really good LB at Michigan, but he's still got that exuberance and blind reactions that teams can take advantage of. It felt like Illinois picked on him a bit in that 3rd quarter when they started to nickle-and-dime their way down the field. The good definitely outweighed the bad, but it'll be interesting to see how offenses try to goad him into bad decisions going forward.
  • Glasgow showed some quickness and decisiveness tackling a couple of Illini players in space before plays could get started. Yes he's a liability against slot receivers (if you see KJ Hamler anywhere near him it's probably not a good thing), but I think a lot of people are overlooking his solid play because Blackshear made him look bad.

Next Week: PSU

PSU is undefeated and playing a night game at home. We all remember how that went the last time. But Michigan is better and PSU is worse than that year's squads, so my guess is it'll be closer. Michigan is and should be the underdog, but PSU's offense feels less diverse than in years past (Clifford isn't the passer McSorley was and Hamler is their only real gamebreaker). Their defense is stout and will trip up Michigan, especially if Patterson is inaccurate and/or unwilling to run. Still, it feels like a close-ish game, and I'll be honest I wouldn't be all that surprised if Michigan emerges the victor.

Comments

Forsakenprole

October 14th, 2019 at 3:19 AM ^

A welcome contribution, as usual, Bronx.

 

If I may disagree on your assessment of the end of first half drive? I totally see what your saying; why risk it? But in retrospect, seeing how limp the team was in the third quarter, I can’t but help draw a link between the coaches saying ‘ease up, boys’ and then the team, you inow, easing up. I think when a team is somewhat insecure you’ve got to stay aggressive in those situations. It bit us, an I’d like to see us try and drive the nail home. But hindsight is 20-20, and we did win comfortably and thus it was probably the right cal. Just a thought.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 8:16 AM ^

Except it is not “hindsight” to judge that going into hyper-conservative mode at the end of the second quarter was stupid. Everybody with any sense knew it was stupid when it was happening, and said so. 

And no, we did not win comfortably, We woke up just in time to avoid a disaster. Anyone who says they were “comfortable” when Illinois scored to make it 28-25 in the 4th quarter is lying. In a “comfortable” win, your starters don’t have to play 60 minutes.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 9:24 AM ^

It was not "hyper conservative" mode at your own 25 yard line with 50 seconds and knowing you got the ball to start the second half to look at the situation and the conditions on the field and just go to halftime.  It's not what people who want to complain constantly like, but then again their logic is perpetually aggrieved.

And no, I wasn't overly concerned even at 28-25.  Illinois had not really stopped UM in the game; UM stopped themselves with two fumbles and otherwise Michigan moved the ball pretty consistently.  Yes, if they kept shooting themselves in the foot there would be trouble.  But I didn't think Michigan would lose.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 10:50 AM ^

You conspicuously fail to mention the previous drive, which Michigan started with 2:53 left in the half, and made absolutely no attempt to play aggressively on. They were already in hyper-conservative mode then. And, big surprise, our defense got lazy and sloppy and let Illinois score in only a minute after we gave the ball up.  And we continued in full turtle mode on our next drive, when an answering TD or even a FG would have negated the momentum that Illinois ended up keeping.  But of course, that doesn’t fit your narrative, so you conveniently ignored it.

 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

I didn't ignore that drive.  Like I said below, they ran an offense that just didn't work out.  They had been averaging 11 yards per play up to that point, so they logically ran on first down because it had worked up until that point pretty well.  They then threw on 2nd down but nobody was open (and Illinois got some pressure), and then on third down Patterson threw a bit behind DPJ in the middle of the field near midfield (and the ball seemed to die a bit in the air due to, it appears, a lot of swirling wind, as witnessed by the piece of trash that flew in front of the camera during the previously play).  That wasn't "turtling"; that was an offensive series that didn't work out.

Again, you want to dislike the offense.  It's fine - you are entitled to your opinions.  But no, that second-to-last drive didn't fit your narrative, which is why I noticed you never actually described the playcalls.  So whatever, complain away.  But maybe do it in another thread.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 10:03 AM ^

I don't think they were particularly limp in the third quarter.  They missed a bunch of tackles and Illinois got some breaks.  They didn't play well, but I also think that it's natural for teams up big to let off the gas a bit, and you can't do that if you're not an elite team, which Michigan is not.  So they got bit a little and then came back with more focus and put the game away.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 11:02 AM ^

They didn’t score, they missed tackles, and they let a crappy team back into a game they had no business being close in, but that was all fine, right? Your “shit just happens” meme is getting old fast.

And even if it’s “natural” for a team to let up and get lazy with a lead, that’s what coaches are for. And our coaches not only didn’t stop our players from losing intensity, they caused it.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 12:50 PM ^

Yes, I’m sure bronxblue just wants an echo chamber full of people like you, who will do nothing but tell him how awesome he is.  I get that he hates criticism or contradictory views so much that he has to lie about the people who express them.  But it’s not his web site and it’s not yours, so I’ll continue to feel free to respond to public posts as I please.  If you don’t like that, I have a few suggestions for you.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^

Well your "everything sucks and I'm angry" regardless of context schtick is really killing it.  Again, feel free to not read my free diary on this free website that you apparently have to frequent multiple times today to say how you don't like my opinions about how a football game was played.

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 10:07 AM ^

I mean, he's not wrong that Mason has been...interesting on offense this year.  The fumble is sorta whatever; it was a bad play but also some bad luck.  But hitting a guy 5 steps after the play because you're mad isn't acceptable.  It's just dumb, and cost Michigan points in all likelihood 

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 6:31 AM ^

The last TWO drives of the first half were an abomination.  Going into turtle mode in the second quarter, on the road, is inexcusably stupid, no matter what the score is.  They weren't that deep in their own territory, we had all three time outs, and our offense had been moving the ball well against a very weak defense.  The "wind" was not a factor- it hadn't bothered them up to that point, and it certainly didn't bother Illinois as they were scoring 25 unanswered points.  

Sending the message "we've done all we need to do here" that early in the game is just asking for your players to start getting sloppy and lazy, which is EXACTLY what happened.  They recovered just barely in time to keep what should have been an easy win from turning into a disastrous loss.  Not only that, they blew what would probably have been their last chance to get Milton and other backups some quality PT before the tough part of the schedule starts, by forcing the starters to play every minute.

Still not convinced?  If you're the Illinois coach or an Illinois fan, what would you have been hoping we'd do on on last two drives of the first half?  Sit on the ball and not even try to score, or try aggressively to score?   Yeah, me too.

Michigan Arrogance

October 14th, 2019 at 9:30 AM ^

the wind wasn't a factor for ill in the 3rd b/c they had the wind at their backs, IIRC. and M fumbles led to short fields.

Anyone who dismisses the wind in this game has never tried to throw a football more than 10 yards in a 20-25 MPH wind. The Ill field is nortoriously bad for wind due to geography and stadium design

 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 9:35 AM ^

You mean the Illinois drives that required a ton of time because they basically threw short passes because anything higher up took off?  

Again, if you work back from the premise that Michigan is awful and everything sucks, the end of the second quarter drive was awful.  I tend to believe it was perfectly fine playcalling given the circumstances.  And the second to last drive just didn't work out; it wasn't some turtling.  Sometimes you don't score on every drive.  It happens.

It didn't send a message to be sloppy and lazy, unless you also believe that Shea Patterson leading them down the field with some good plays sparked a return to form for both sides of the team as they were emboldened by their fearless leader.  But that's insane because it would mean Patterson isn't horrible and that can't possibly be true.

And they actually got reps for guys like Gray because Hill was out; Haskins got some run, as did Schoonmaker.  It's a road game; they didn't bring a ton of extra bodies.  I'd rather they give the offense more reps with the starters than worrying about getting reps for the third string QB.  If UM needs anyone other than Patterson these next couple of weeks, no amount of snaps against Illinois will make that feel good.

Again, I'm not going to argue with you throughout the rest of this diary.  I tend to be optimistic about a team; you don't.  That's fine; you are probably more realistic.  But I'm not going to debate your feelings.

droptopdoc

October 14th, 2019 at 10:54 AM ^

more great points, as much as i want to see milton get work, id rather the starters keep getting chemistry. people will find any and everything to complain about, because they were ready to punt on the season the minute we didnt score 50 on mtsu in the first half and then proceeded to sign a death warrant for Harbs because we lost to wisconsin. you people got to relax, and realize this is not a video game, stuff doesnt come together over night with a new coordinator, and we are not alabama 

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 11:15 AM ^

And if you lie and falsely attribute the premise that “Michigan is awful and everything sucks” to people, it’s much easier for you to be sanctminious. I get it. Rock on, dude.

But you can’t have it both ways. Either Michigan was in turtle mode on their last two drives of the first half, or they  legitimately tried to move the ball and Illinois stopped them. The latter would put the lie to your statement that Illinois had never stopped us, so what’s left?

 

 

 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

I said Illinois had basically not stopped them.  Up to the last two drives of the half, Michigan had gone TD, Missed 33-yard FG, TD, TD, Fumble, TD.  And as I noted earlier, that second-to-last drive was a bad throw by Patterson (with some wind issues) away from being at midfield.  Yes, Michigan did not score on every drive in that first half.  You clearly want to live in absolutes, so by all means wave your tiny flag of victory.

There was no turtling on that second-to-last drive.  You won't admit it, so whatever.  But as I've said elsewhere, feel free to not read my sanctimonious postings again; they clear make you very upset.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 12:54 PM ^

So “basically not stopped them” meant “sometimes they stopped then and sometimes they didn’t”? Gotcha.  But you were absolutely sure that they wouldn’t stop Michigan after they closed it to a 3 point lead, because...why? Because it didn’t fit your narrative.  Gotcha.

jbuch002

October 14th, 2019 at 6:57 AM ^

Well done as usual. Thanks for the effort you put into these.

Illinois (Lovie, who is really good at this, not other coaching things) made some adjustments along the way to slow M's run game. I tried to pick them up by looking at replays but strangely, there was no major changes in Lovie's 4 man front , LB deployment behind it (he uses a hybrid backer too) and what looked like as close as I could tell, C2 Zone. Lovie blitzed a lot too but, M picked most of these up. So, ????

The truth teller though was counting the ratio of M's blockers to Illinois' defenders, ID'ing the conflict player and deciding if the play call and action at the mesh was correct. The RPO was effective and called too infrequently against blitzes (line or play call?). If the read keeper was on, Patterson missed opportunities there for yards with a keep - Illinois shuffled the DE like everyone does but Shea is reluctant, it appears, to challenge that. I actually think he is either restricting himself or the coaches are becasue it is a clear theme in Shea's repertoire. There are too many yards not taken on this play and it affects the run game efficiency overall. While it's true, M had a good day rushing overall, after the half, YPC plummeted from over 9 to something around 3. It climbed back up after the sideline (probably) realized Illinois was making a game of it when that same sideline turteled with a 28-0 lead in the late first half.

The point you make about the team (both sides of the ball) losing focus/letting up on the go pedal, was painfully obvious just before and after the half. That loss of focus caused one fumble and a bunch of yardage given up by the D to the Illini with poor tackling and what I thought were some terrible reads by Mettellus playing C2 zone who took himself out of at least two big Illinois plays that I re-watched on video - one the slant where he flowed outside, away from his zone, instead of in with the receiver who should have been his responsibility. Classic mis-step in zone coverage - a reoccurring theme when M plays zone.  

There's good post game observations/takes that the coaches were responsible for this loss of focus. With 1+ minutes on the clock and 3 TOs on the board approaching the end of the 1st half, it's coaching malfeasance to not try to respond to the TD Illinois had just scored. That sends a strong message to the offense. That set the tone for the 3rd quarter when M, predictably, came out flat on their first two possessions. I disagree with you when you said this was probably the right call. It wasn't.  

I just don't understand that Harbaugh seems not to recognize that in today's game, a 3 TD lead can evaporate in a hurry due to randomeness, turnovers, bad calls and bad teams suddenly getting a spark and making plays. I'm not confident that the coaches will learn from this game. That Harbaugh has remarked in the past that he wants to win with "cruelty and integrity" makes this all the more perplexing and frustrating.

Blue Vet

October 14th, 2019 at 7:48 AM ^

Best: BronxBlue's comments on the Pre-written Narrative. While it's a pleasure to agonize over details of failures and/or failures to meet expectations — or else why would so many do it — it does tend to overwhelm pleasure in rooting for Michigan.

Everyone Murders

October 14th, 2019 at 8:53 AM ^

Thanks for being a voice of reason re: Patterson.  He played well - not great, but well - under very windy conditions.  He managed the game, and got us a crucial 4th down conversion on a planned QB keeper.

People trashing Patterson have gotten so tiresome in various media outlets.  This is yet-again a new OC for him, implementing a new system, and while it ultimately will best utilize his (and McCaffrey's) skills it was always going to take some time getting traction.  

Next week will be a great barometer of progress as to that traction.  In the meantime, thanks to BB for being a voice of reason, while the worst of Michigan fans are full of passionate (but misplaced and negative) intensity.

naplesblue

October 14th, 2019 at 8:58 AM ^

Thanks as always for your tempered lucid remarks. I think the game will be won by M or lost terribly. Still to many slant ,screens and quick outs being completed.

Michigan Arrogance

October 14th, 2019 at 9:51 AM ^

But Michigan is better and PSU is worse than that year's squads,

 

I was on board with most of what you siad in this column - the wind was a factor, Shea was good if not great in that wind and the turnovers were Flucky like much of the Army game. As much as I thought the Iowa game was a disaster offensively more than any other game this season, I thought this was a fine performance against a bad team that wind, lack of focus in the 3rd, injuries (no 'Vert, no Kwitty, etc) and Fluck made closer than it should have been.

But the Michigan side of this statement at the end is laughable, IMO. Which part of M's team is better?

  • The offense? LOL.
  • The D without Bush, Gary, Winovitch and on and on? You can make an arguement that Don Brown is mixing zone and being more creative with blitzes in '19 than he has since '16 but there are no wholistic rankings that say this year's D is better than last years, given the lack of functional offenses they have gone against (Wisc and 5 offensive D1AA teams). Don't take this as a criticism of DB or the D this year, I think they've done as well as could reasonably be expected and are operating at their ceiling (which is the best complement you can give to the coaching staff IMO). But last year's D was top 3 until injuries at DE hit vs IU and OSU exposed them. And the bowl game that no one inside or outside the program gave a shit about.
  • STs is a push at best even with DPJ fielding the punts only about 1/2 the time due to injuries.

Even PSU one could argue is better than last year, since you know, they are 6-0.

Point is, the reason so many are in BPONE this year is not so much Shea but rather the COMPLETE regression of the offense from last year and the apparent trajectory of this team (offensively anyway and well, perhaps at DT and CB on defense). Michigan SHOULD be better than they were last year offensively and should probably be worse on D given what they lost (but they are saving this team's bacon thanks to Don Brown). Point is, this is the disconnect b/t your view of the team and Brian's and mine and other's: you seem to somehow think this team is better than last year while most see a completely disorganized and unforcused team on the offesive side of the ball that has shown no ability to move the ball against the 2 legit D1 defenseive they have come across (Wisc and Iowa).

Sorry if this came across as harsh, but dang man, better than last year?

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 10:13 AM ^

I'm referencing 2017, not 2018.

2017 with John O'Korn at QB is worse than Michigan this year.  I think people forget just how hapless and offense can look.

That 2017 defense was very good but Don Brown seemed less flexible and creative with some of his scheming.  That defense was probably better overall but it also underwhelmed at times.  

Special teams are whatever, but I think Hart has been a really good punter and the return games are about equal.

That PSU team was #2 in the country and had beaten the doors off teams.  This PSU team struggled to beat Pitt and Iowa.

 

 

Michigan Arrogance

October 14th, 2019 at 10:20 AM ^

ahhh 2017. I see it now. my fault

sure, 2019 is better than '17 so I don't necessarily expect a 42-10 pantsing, but I do like PSU covering b/c there's no evidence to my eyes that M can score more than 14pts in regulation against a legit P5 defense. I'm expecting 26-13 PSU with people complainging about the D giving up 26pts.

 

 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^

That was pretty impressive but then I saw Purdue put up 40 without their starting QB or Moore and I think we might have just seen Maryland play their two best games of the year to start the season.  It's why I got such a kick out of the "maybe we got the wrong OC from Alabama" talk about a 50-year-old guy who's currently 6-34 for his career.

Cranky Dave

October 14th, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^

As an OL I (and my teammates) always wanted to stay aggressive when we were beating up on the defense, especially running the ball well. Not to say players always know better than coaches but I feel like not trying to score at the end of the half did play into the poor 3q. 

 

PopeLando

October 14th, 2019 at 11:01 AM ^

My theory is that Harbaugh is perfectly content to win 28-7. We see the offense turtle *all the time* when up.

It's annoying to me for four reasons:

1. It puts immense pressure on the defense, like saying "hey we're all done for the day, don't fuck this up for us."

2. It gets the players' heads out of the game, like you said.

3. The playoff committee is *on record* admitting that style points matter. Blowout wins are important. 

4. If you don't practice your offense when you *can* , you won't have it ready when you need it.

DeepBlueC

October 14th, 2019 at 12:18 PM ^

Add to that the fact that when you have to leave your starters in longer, it deprives your backups of valuable game experience, which is a disadvantage when you have to call on them to replace injured starters, as you always do later in the year, or when they have to step in and start next year. There is a reason why some teams just magically always seem to have new starters to plug in without missing a beat.

Along with that, you’re putting more wear and tear on your starters. It’s also not an accident that Harbaugh’s teams have a way of collapsing late in the season, instead of getting better.

username03

October 14th, 2019 at 10:17 AM ^

Championship (Big Ten or national) level teams don't take their foot off the gas. Michigan is coached as if they're the little engine that could team, that is just hoping to hang with the big boys. Maybe that's where they belong but it seems to me putting that cap on the team is unnecessary. 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 12:56 PM ^

I guess I don't know what counts as letting your foot off the gas.  Notre Dame just let USC come back from down 17 to make it 23-20 before Notre Dame closed them out.  And that was at home.  Alabama was tied with Citadel last year at the half. 

Do I think they let their foot off the gas a bit up 28?  Sure.  Do I think that happens at a lot of places?  Absolutely.  You'd hope it doesn't happen, but I guess I grew up watching enough Carr-era games that "letting an inferior opponent hang around" isn't some earth-shattering occurrence. 

bronxblue

October 14th, 2019 at 1:41 PM ^

Yeah, I don't honestly know.  I don't think Harbaugh is like Carr in that conservative mindset; Carr would have never changed up his offense the way Harbaugh did this offseason.  I think that last drive was just realistic playcalling, but that's always up to interpretation.  I agree about those Carr teams driving people nuts.