Alabama vs. Michigan 2012 – A Roster Comparison

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This diary takes a look at the spring roster data currently available from the schools’ home sites, Rivals recruiting profiles from 2008 to the present and depth charts from bloggers like you.  I mash these up to share some data hopefully in an interesting way.

First the disclaimers… this is down and dirty.  Like most of you there isn’t a ton of time to do this sort of thing.  The data is broadly categorical and prone to errors on my part.   The depth charts are just for comparison purposes and don’t mean much.  The 1s look pretty solid to me though for both teams.  Enough said… let’s do this…

Every team comes from the crucible of recruits who are signed and walk-ons who show up in the present and previous 5-6 years.  Here is a table of the recruiting classes from Rivals for both schools.

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Alabama averages 26.6, Michigan 23.6 . You can’t talk about this game without this elephant in the room.  The way Alabama does football is different.  This has been discussed openly here (long may Meechigan Dan run) , in the WSJ… and by everyone including recently the local media in Alabama but not by Saban (not openly) or the University of ******* (name redacted to protect it’s privacy.)

Here is a table of the players who are on the roster now by class…

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Not quite accurate perhaps… one of the class of 2008 took a greyshirt and is currently a RS Sophomore.  There are 4 JUCO players on the Alabama roster – 2 of whom will start on the defensive line in September.  The other two are on the 2s but will probably see time.  One them was a member of the 2010 class but was shunted to a JUCO for roster  school work.  Suffice to say the charts above look relatively matched by class especially with the JUCO/Greyshirt disclaimer with respect to this years roster at least on the face of it.

College football is never the same at any school. Teams follow the rules of the NCAA (supposedly), their conference and their school. Northwestern is more severe on admissions than most all if not all B1G teams. Service academies have JV squads that follow different rules. BYU and other schools send athletes on 2 year missions…CFB is complex, varied and… freaking pretty great all together.  So let’s not cry about the insanity that is Oversigning or discuss it further.  There are better places for that.

In fact oversigning is only significant when the players who show up are good to begin with. How good are the players from each school?

Here’s the Rivals ratings of Alabama and Michigan for the crucible classes of 2008 up to and including 2012 class by school…including the current walk-ons.

The green diamonds are mean diamonds.  When they don’t overlap in general the populations are demonstrably different.  These do overlap.

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Here’s the same analysis but just for the current roster plus 2012 class.

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Note that Alabama will have 119 players (noted as observations in the lower right corner above).  Some people will not be invited to Fall camp.  Hmmm… that happens to the best of teams.  Note also the crucible dataset is better than the actual roster.  It hurts to lose people to the NFL – early or otherwise.

Let’s break this down by position.

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I don’t have time or inclination to make this pretty. Notice the Defense is on average more highly rated for Michigan – but not at safety – which is a key position for Alabama and any team.

The “Adjusted” tick mark is to signify the positions have been normalized. How I did that is not worthy of discussion but suffice to say it wasn’t categorically fun  – but I wanted to compare them head to head and it’s adequate IMO for this purpose.

Here’s a similar breakdown by body mass index (BMI) and straight weight.

BMI works for positional analysis and can yield interesting insight IMO.  I did a diary last year that showed JR Hemmingway’s outlierish BMI.  I seem to recall him pawning a few DBs on underthrown balls last year with said BMI.  I’m going to say this just to get pissy comments… BMI even points to fitness wrt football.  If you don’t think that is true then bring it on.  There are few coaches in the game that don’t give a player a target weight to train toward.  BMI points to stockiness good and bad and possible leverage advantages.  It also kills more NFL players in retirement than PCS.

But I digress… back to the charty things….

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Kenny Demens is the lone max outlier point at LB for either team.  We are thin there and everywhere (pun intended.)

Here are the weight comparisons with the exact same analysis.

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Our defensive ends, safeties and backers are statistically different (especially without Demens.)  Bama’s safeties are tightly packed by weight.  Most of this has to do with my normalization of position I think. I would have to look at this more closely.

The biggest complaint with this analysis (and yes I know there are many) is that it’s 11 on 11 not 119 on 102.  Let’s look at depth chart’s and do a little more charting.

Here’s what I will use…

Alabama Offense Michigan Offense
Position First Second Third Pos First Second Third
QB AJ McCarron Phillip Ely Blake Sims QB D. Robinson D. Gardner R. Bellomy
TB Eddie Lacy Jalston Fowler T.J. Yeldon TB F. Toussaint V. Smith T. Rawls
X Kevin Norwood Amari Cooper Marvin Shinn X R. Roundtree D. Gardner J. Robinson
Y Kenny Bell Chris Black Blake Sims Y D. Dileo R. Miller J. Hayes
Z Christion Jones DeAndrew White Danny Woodson, Jr. Z J. Gallon J. Jackson A. Darboh
HB Brian Vogler Harrison Jones Brent Calloway HB S. Hopkins J. Kerridge D. Funchess
TE Michael Williams Malcolm Faciane Brian Vogler TE B. Moore A.J. Williams C. Eddins
LT Cyrus Kouandjio Barrett Jones Kellen Williams LT T. Lewan K. Kalis E. Gunderson
LG Chance Warmack Chad Lindsay Isaac Luatua LG E. Mealer C. Bryant J. Burzynski
C Barrett Jones Ryan Kelly Chad Lindsay C R. Barnum J. Miller E. Mealer
RG Anthony Steen Isaac Luatua Austin Shepherd RG P. Omameh C. Bryant G. Glasgow
RT D.J. Fluker Austin Shepherd Barrett Jones RT M. Schofield K. Kalis B. Braden
Michigan Defense Alabama Defense
Pos First Second Third Position First Second Third
SS J. Kovacs M. Robinson T. Carter SS Vinnie Sunseri Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix Jarrick Williams
FS T. Gordon J. Furman J. Wilson FS Robert Lester Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix Nick Perry
CB1 B. Countess C. Avery D. Hollowell CB1 John Fulton Bradley Sylve Travell Dixon
WLB D. Morgan B. Hawthorne J. Ross WLB C.J. Mosley Tana Patrick Dillon Lee
CB2 J. Floyd R. Taylor T. Talbott CB2 DeMarcus Milliner Deion Belue Jabriel Washington
WDE F. Clark B. Beyer M. Ojemudia WDE Xzavier Dickson Adrian Hubbard Ryan Anderson
DT J. Black Q. Washington K. Wilkins DT Quinton Dial Jeoffrey Pagan LaMichael Fanning
MLB K. Demens J. Bolden M. Jones MLB Nico Johnson Trey DePriest Dillon Lee
NT W. Campbell R. Ash O. Pipkins NT Jesse Williams Brandon Ivory Jeoffrey Pagan
SLB J. Ryan C. Gordon K. Ringer SLB Adrian Hubbard Dillon Lee Jonathan Atchison
SDE C. Roh N. Brink K. Heitzman SDE Damion Square Ed Stinson D.J. Pettway
Alabama Special Teams Michigan Special Teams
Position First Second Third Pos First Second Third
P Cody Mandell     P W. Hagerup M. Wile  
K Jeremy Shelley Cade Foster   K B. Gibbons M. Wile  
        KO M. Wile    
PR Christion Jones Dee Hart Deion Belue PR J. Gallon B. Countess  
KR Christion Jones Dee Milliner Deion Belue KR J. Hayes T. Rawls  
LS J. Glanda    
H D. Dileo J. Gallon  

I followed the HB convention for Alabama and XYZ nomenclature subbing in FB and WR1, Slot and WR2 for Michigan with plenty of fudge. I used common Michigan terms on defense.  It is what it is.  I said I wasn’t going to get into the normalization of positions and I did… back to charts.

This is worse case for Michigan (barring injury - not to tempt the fates) and best case for Alabama.  I don’t see any of the non EEs playing for the Tide from the 2012 class.  I do see a strong possibility that some 2012 non EEs play for Michigan (though not well enough to start the first game – there is too much to learn.  Glasgow will play when Mich goes up by 30 in the final five minutes of the game.)  This is just to separate out the players from the scout team for comparison purposes anyway.

Let’s get back to charts looking only at the players on the depth charts above. These are pretty busy…zoom your screens.  I’m to lazy to break out the sides.

 

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OK… I’m surprised more diaries don’t end like this.  My wife just told me to get to bed.  I must obey.

I can say a few things here but really it’s the data I want to share – not so much my opinion.  But let me say this… so far not much new here. :-|

I have a ton more comparisons here as well as a novel way of looking at walk-on talent (nothing sexy but I think it’s interesting.)  I hope you guys can make this out and that there aren’t too many errors in my data.

I will throw up other charts looking at the roster, rivals DB and depth charts at a later date if time allows.

Before I sign off though… let me leave you with 3 points as to why Saban is God’s gift to coaching.   You can’t argue with these…

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He’s the smartest guy in the room if you listen to the talking heads and hangers on. I can’t stand SEC hubris.  Here are some counterpoints.

  1. Saban has been beat before.
  2. Saban isn’t going to play on the field in Texas.
  3. I sure would like Hoke to hold one of these someday…if only there was a team and a schedule that could make that happen…

After looking at the teams and where they are at…I don’t think we are 10 points worse than Alabama.  I say we win this game.  If I could prove that then CFB wouldn’t be worth watching.

I must go.  If I must… then I choose to Go Blue!

Edit: I screwed the pooch on the formatting - fixing a data error for Hasean - a five star...how could I miss that?

Comments

TESOE

June 17th, 2012 at 11:30 PM ^

MS TSS finished it for me. Must sleep. 

 

Seth... I screwed the pooch fixing a data error.  Is there a better way to fix stuff in Live Writer than re-publishing (it apparently re-sets the posted date?) 

I tried to edit from my phone first and that was my first mistake.

Any advice would be appreciated.  Live Writer makes it so easy otherwise.

Seth

June 19th, 2012 at 6:56 PM ^

I can always re-set the posted date for you, not in Live Writer. I leave the Live Writer window open for the rest of the day after publishing something because I'll always flub something. It doesn't reset the time for me. Are you using on a Mac?

Never edit from your phone. Especially when you have access to the front page. That is a bad idea. It should never be done. Or thought of. In fact I don't know why anyone would mention such a terribly stupid horrible thing. Say there was a Heiko column one day with a tiny typo and you were in the bathroom with an iPhone... I mean you wouldn't think to fix it there right? Not that this has anything to do with why the site was down a bit ago. Nothing.

HUGEtractsofland

June 16th, 2012 at 1:52 PM ^

Is there a way we can get the 40 times for each of the players on each team, and compare that to their BMI and their weight? Should be interesting to see how we match up with Alabama on a speed basis. I know everyone says SEC is king but I remember them showing the average 40 time for Ohio State when they played LSU, and Ohio actually had a slightly faster average 40. (I think, someone will probably prove me wrong)

TESOE

June 16th, 2012 at 3:23 PM ^

40 times are sparse and fakey in the Rivals DB (BMI is pretty fakey as well - I only do it because it's complete and easy.  This diary isn't a referendum on BMI but the only correlate it might have to WR is for possession receivers in my mind.  I don't think correlation of BMI to 40 or other numbers work other than height, weight and position wrt performance is warranted.)

Here's a quick look at Rivals 40 times...it doesn't mean much... but I do think their DBs and LBs are faster and our QB (duh!) and OL are faster.  I'd rather have speed at DB than OL.  40 times have a history.  I'd rather have squat, bench and cone drill numbers for OL.  Some of that is available but again it's too sparse and fakey to put much time into.

 

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HUGEtractsofland

June 16th, 2012 at 3:44 PM ^

True, and given the fact that we really haven't seen the two wide receivers (Darboh and Chesson) who will more then likely see playing time immediately, trying to judge speed of their secondary vs our recievers doesn't seem very meaningful. Although the speed difference of our OL to their DT vs our DT to their OL may actually be meaningful (i.e. games won in trenches, so more athletic line could be the tipping point)

TESOE

June 16th, 2012 at 11:42 PM ^

All 40 times come from Rivals so Darboh and Chesson's are just as specious as the others.  40s are missing for half the linemen on Rivals.  Jesse Williams runs pretty well from film.  

If anything the tipping point is Cyrus Kouandjio on Roh and Black regardless of their speed. They are going to come at our DL.  This puts a ton of pressure on BWC to step up.  Demens is not going to do well if BWC doesn't.

BlowGoo

June 18th, 2012 at 7:00 PM ^

... Any way you can provide some sort of statistical analysis of the athletic profiles of athletes who lost scholarships / had scholarships withdrawn / gray shirted? Is that info even available? Thanks again for the article. Fascinating stuff.

TESOE

June 22nd, 2012 at 7:50 AM ^

BG - I'm in a tent with my family getting pelted by what sounds like hail. Extended cell phone somehow reaches here...but alas my number crunching desktop does not. It's not as interesting wrt to the 2008 diaspora as OS. Com makes it out IMO but I have some data to show. As you would expect the better / bigger talent didn't get hurt but the exception is this RS So who apparently took one for the team.

I will get back to this in a couple weeks. There are still issues here but there are always issues it seems. Until then Hail!

prevatt33

June 26th, 2012 at 4:25 PM ^

You guys can cry me a river with the oversigning nonsense.  Sure there have been a few instances of it, notably with coaches Nutt, Miles (your boy), and Spurrier (once).  I must state that Spurrier has always done things by the book, and the instance with him seems to have been an anomaly.

The biggest flaw in this issue is the fact that you look at the number "32" beside Bama for our Rivals 2008 class and you think we actually brought 32 kids to campus that fall.  This is simply not true.  2 kids (Hood and Ray) played pro baseball and never came to campus.  A few were sign and place guys, one or two of whom returned after juco.  That drops the number from 32 to 27-28 maximum, instantly, and a few of those back-counted.

Also keep in mind, this was Saban's first full recruiting class, and the previous staff left the cupboard bare, partly with poor recruiting and partly with poor conditioning at a school with a world-class and strict sports medicine department, headed by team physician, James Andrews, that often sided on the side of caution with injuries.  Heck, that year we had a returning all-conference jack linebacker who wasn't medically cleared to play becasue of a repaired hole in his heart.  We desperately needed that guy, but our medical staff ended his career at Bama.

Regarding attrition from that class, Two running backs, Matchett and Preyear, blew out their knees and quit the sport. Lawrence (DB) transferred back home to Miss (SoMiss) because he couldn't grasp Saban's playbook and was buried on the depth chart.  The same thing happened to B. Scott (db), the nations #1 athlete in 2008, and he transferred to South Alabama b/c he wanted to play.  Star (QB) transferred for playing time to Georgia State, where he couldn't win the starting job on a team who had only existed for 1 year prior to his arrival.  That's off the top of my head, and none were below-the-table stuff.

If you don't like greyshirts, fine - but it's not against the rules nor not in the best interests of the kid.  If you offer a kid a greyshirt opportunity and he takes it, who are you to be angry.  The ONLY thing you can get a little upset at Bama for is for us giving out Medical Scholly's.  
Saban has publicly said any medical decision is 100% up to the team physicians and he plays no part.  

Also, not a single kid has bad-mouthed Bama upon leaving.

Alabama has attrition, and it's usually b/c kids transfer b/c they're buried on the depth chart and want to play, or they go to the league early.  That last one has happenned A LOT lately.  There is not one single instance where Saban has run a kid off, and I challenge anyone here to find one.  Take care, and Roll Tide.

TESOE

June 27th, 2012 at 1:07 AM ^

 

Justin Taylor of North Atlanta High School has been committed to Alabama for nearly a year, last February becoming the No. 7 pledge for this year's class. The 5-foot-11, 208-pounder missed his senior season with a knee injury.

A couple of weeks ago, Taylor and his high school coach, former NFL RB Stanley Pritchett, both said they were informed by Alabama assistant Chris Rumph that it was likely that Taylor would not be able to sign with the Crimson Tide this February.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/rules-nick-saban-introduces-face-oversigning-151901075.html

 

No one is crying a river here.  Just acknowledging the pachyderms in the room or signed and "placed" or... yes ... pushed out for medical scholarship at a rate 12 times that of other schools.

It's not in anyone's interest to bad mouth a school when you are trying to get scholarships from other schools who might be interested.

Thanks for the comment.  I don't really know the particulars of Alabama's 2008 class.  I'm really just trying to look at the roster - but I have more to say on this - just by looking at the roster data alone.

prevatt33

June 29th, 2012 at 12:48 PM ^

Saban has said multiple times since signing day that he had always extended only a grey-shirt offer to this kid and he accepted it understanding what it entailed.  He blew out his knee and Bama was the only big-time school giving the kid any attention, as reported by the kid and his father.  Bama never gave this kid an offer for a playing scholarship for the upcoming year because he was still rehabbing his knee and was not near 100%.  As of the week of signing day, he had just begun to jog in a straight line, and could not cut at all.  He would not be ready to participate by fall, and was given the option from the beginning to grey-shirt.  However, the kid changed his mind the week of signing day and wanted a commitable offer to play this year, which was never on the table.  There was no spot for him in the class, and he chose to go to Kentucky who extended an offer in the 11th hour.  There was no imprpriety on Saban or Bama's part, and the kid and his father always spoke well of Bama befoe and after signing day.  His father said his son was just disappointed that it didn't work out with Bama, and the kid believed he'd be ready by Fall, and Bama did not.  He chose to attend Kentucky only because he wanted to play this year, not because he was upset at Bama.  If you have a problem with this scenario, then I don't know what to tell you.

Seth

June 28th, 2012 at 11:32 AM ^

You've got your back up because you feel your school is being targeted. Okay, that's cool. But there's a major major major major hole in your logic, and we're not going to be able to communicate on this issue at all unless it's addressed. Everybody wants to believe their school is the best of the bunch.

Everything you're talking about is HOW Alabama whittled down its numbers to meet the 85 scholarship limit. Oversiging isn't about how, but WHY they HAD to whittle the numbers down. In that the number 28 for 2008 isn't only important in context of another number: 15, which is the number of scholarships he had open. These coaches put themselves in a position where they had to cut players from the roster.

Saban was the most egregious example, over five years, of putting himself in a position where he had to cut players in order to get the 85-man limit. Because of that he's working with almost twice the recruiting pool as most of the schools he plays. Les Miles is almost right there with him, and is notable because he got more burned than Saban did when he was forced to yank a scholarship from a kid after that guy was already on campus. I don't think it's fair for him to be characterized as "our" guy, since the general reaction around here to Les Miles is "glad we dodged that bullet."

prevatt33

June 29th, 2012 at 2:43 PM ^

... for not adressing the number "15" issue.  I had a number of thinsg to say, mostly to the Michigan fanbase as a whole on this issue, and I' the king of tangental logic.

Regarding the number "15":

1) I have no idea where you are getting this number, and I belive it to be wildly innacurate.  The 2007 class was below capacity, and the previous coaching staff did a terrible job with attrition.  We naturally had some attrition associated with the coaching change that happens at every school.  

2) Several of the previous year's scholarships you are counting to get to the number 70 were given to walk-ons for that year only as we had them available.  That does not mean that those players have those scholarships the next year.  They simply were gifted to them for one year out of the surplus, and is a practice at all schools.  

So the real point is, where are you getting this number "15" and what is it based on?  From my knowledge of the situation, we had ample room for players, and none of it was bsed on running a single player off.  One thing to remember is that the number of kids "signed" on NSD or listed as such on Rivals has NOTHING to do with the kids who have a spot on campus, as many of our kids are "sign and place", and it was known by both kid and school from the beginning.  Saban does this to build relationships with these kids in case they pan out in JUCO.  i know because of your academic standards at Michigan, you cannot do this, but it is a common practice in the SEC and is in now way cheating or immoral roster management.  

Seth

July 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 PM ^

I'm pretty sure I didn't count the walk-ons, since my database is cross-referenced with Scout and Rivals and ESPN recruiting databases. It can't tell from grayshirts but I know I'm accurate from 2009 on. I do count the "know they're going to JUCO" kids who sign on NSD and then don't make grades. "Because it's common practice in the SEC" does not justify a thing. In fact if you were a South Carolina fan I was having this conversation with I could provide a whole speech about Spurrier and why it's common practice today. Suffice to say, the kids aren't told they're headed for JUCO up front--they find out after they've signed. Another way to say "establish a relationship" is "cut them off from other opportunities." A school that wasn't oversigning would be invested in the kid's future, not just what the kid can offer Alabama.

Say Saban has 20 spots available from graduation and last year's normal attrition. Figuring 1/2 of the kids he recruits won't be able to meet academic standards he recruits 40 kids for those spots. Now it's not a math question anymore: in February he suddenly has 105 kids and 20 of them NEED to be gone, one way or another. Had he recruited 20 kids, Saban would be heavily invested in each one of them--instead he can wait for a handful to fail out, then make up the difference by pushing the players who don't make his two-deep out.

He has gotten himself in that position to varying degrees almost every year at Alabama, and the cumulative effect of that is that he's been able to field a team from a much larger pool than the competition by nature of caring less than the competition about the welfare of his players.

Oversigning.com has done the heavy research on this. They don't have a great search function but read through the Alabama tag (http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/alabama/) and see what you can refute there.

Since NCAA now allows 4-year scholarships I think this particular loophole is going to be closed and in 4 years from now the effect will be the guys who did it will have established programs but not rosters built from substantially larger pools. The source has been cut off; it's just too bad Michigan this year will have to join the ranks of programs to directly face the lingering stench.

prevatt33

June 29th, 2012 at 1:39 PM ^

.. about Les Miles, and you did dodge a bullet - a retarded, grass-eating, good-recruiter-but-can't-coach-his-way-out-of-a-wet-paper-sack-with-instructions, throws-his-players-under-the-bus-on-nat'l-tv - bullet.  That was just a good-natured jab.

Regarding attrition, or cutting players:

I invite you to find one single instance of a player being forced out at Bama against his will.  I know of one Olineman a few years back that was upset at being offered/encouraged/borderline forced to take a medical scholly.  He was upset, and that is fair cause he didn't want to give up his dream.  In reality, he had had so many shoulder and arm injuries requiring surgery that he could rarely practice and wouldn't start for East Popcornville State because of his condition.  The kid couldn't contribute on the field for games or even practice.  He was just upset that he had to give up his dream before he wanted too, and felt forced out.

In my opinion, too bad.  If you have a trumpet scholarship, but get your lips chopped off and are unable to play the trumpet, you lose you scholarship - end of discussion.  Bama upheld it's end of the deal academically, making sure this kid could finish his education for free, both at the undergraduate and graduate level.

This is the only instance that I know of, and is several years old. This kid is the source of the hog-wash NYT article a few years ago.  Everyone else who left Bama's program in the last 6 years left because of one of 4 reasons:

1) injury and quitting the sport entirely, i.e. medical scholly.

2) transferring of their own accord due to lack of playing time.

3) transferring because they were knuckleheads, wouldn't do what was asked of them academically, or stayed in the doghouse because of getting into trouble

*** Regarding # 3:  Saban maintains a high standard of excellence academically, as evidence by our excellent graduation rate and APR scores.  If you don't go to class, you won't be a part of our team.  If you get into trouble, Saban will outline what you have to do to be reinstated and will allow you to work yourself back onto the team.  This happened most recently with Michael Bowman, a 4-star WR from a few years back who got into trouble by shooting fireworks inside the dorms.  Bowman was given ample opportunities to work his way back, but was lazy by his own admission.  

My point is that given that Saban recruits all-world high-school stars, the one's who don't cut it often have a hard time growing up and doing it the right way.  They also want to desperately play and transfer out on their own accord.  Saban keeps everything private and in-house about these kids misdeeds so that they can have another opportunity elsewhere and helps them find a school to go to.  They never badmouth Bama upon leaving, and I've read several articles in the last 2 years where these kids say how they don't regret their time at Bama ands would make the same decision to attend again.  Their new coaches in these articles alway say how they immediately became leaders on their new teams as a result of their experience at Bama.

When you're a bigtime school in the South, your recruiting pool is full of knuckleheads, some who will listen and some who won't.  It leads to more attrition over time, but it doesn't mean these kids were treated unfairly or weren't given 73 chances to get straight.  Saban runs a tight ship, but he always says that if you do things the right way, you will always have a spot on his team regardless of talent level or ability to contribute on the field.  He maintains that the best way to evaluate the strenght of a CFB team is to look at the bottom 40 kids of the 105.  That is the best indicator of a teams strenght and potential future success.

4) leaving early for the league, which has been very common lately at Bama.

IMHO, If you get into trouble continuously or don't go to class, you shouldn't keep your scholarship.  If you are buried on the depth chart and want to transfer, more power to you.  If you are physically unable to contribute, just like with any other scholarship, you shouldn't play, but you should be allowed to finish your education.  However, Saban has never forced a kid out, and I challenged you to prove me wrong.  Given that internet age, this should be easy for you to find if it exists.

Another piece of info regarding medical schollies that you will probably scoff at:  Because of Saban's way of doing things - getting the best recuits, having world-class facilities, coaches, and support staff, and the demands of our strength and condition program, Bama basically has an borderline-NFL team on campus.  I know it sounds ridiculous, but you have to go back to 2009 to find a starter in the secondary or at linebacker who's not currently in the NFL.  We play big-boy NFL style football in games and in practice.  People get hurt - a lot.  We've won so many games because the other teams' players get injured during the game despite our not playing dirty, and we're never tired in the 4th.  Bama has never and will never be accused of playing dirty.  Running a team this way means that a certain number of kids can't cut it, either behaviourally or physically, and that doesn't mean Saban's cheating or treating kids unfairly.  These are the reasons Saban's won more games than any other coach in major CFB since he arrived at Bama.

Don't be surprised to see some of your key players not finish the game come September, and it won't be because we played dirty.  We just have a low-quality NFL team in Tuscaloosa.  The same thing would happen if you played the St. Louis Rams, who I firmly believe we could've beaten last year.  We play a different brand of football - and you'll find out what I'm talking about.  Last year our Oline would've been the 14th largest line in the NFL, and our D was the best CFB defense ever assembled and would've held their own in the league, and been bigger and faster than many.  

Additionally, just 'cause Saban has a prickly personality and is demanding and strict, doesn't make him immoral.  At some point you guys need to understand that the things you read on the interwebz are just to make money off of your mouse clicks, and insinuating impropriety about Saban makes for lots of mouse clicks.  People believe it given his personality, but I'll tell you that if I had a D1 calibre son, I'd make him play for Saban no matter where he was coaching.  He takes boys and makes them men, and holds them accountable for their actions.  I have no problem with that.