WTKA Roundtable 12/8/2022: Old Man Yells at Cloud Comment Count

Seth December 8th, 2022 at 10:27 AM

Things discussed:

  • Purdue: Very prepared for Michigan, Michigan adjusted well to deliver their RB to the free hitter with space for Edwards to make something happen.
  • Think Michigan came in battered, wanted to keep JJ healthy. He was dealing!
  • O'Connell had a great game, Chuck Sizzle had a great game, Michigan has some zone issues to clean up with Moten and their LBs.
  • College football postseason: Seth wants the NCAA to have different options for the season: When you have 2 teams, have the 2 teams play, when you have 4 worthy have a 4-team playoff, when 6 have six, when it's 1 play the bowl games. Ideally: 12-team playoffs AFTER bowl games. They ruined the bowls.
  • Cade and All: Weird that McNamara is burning perfectly good bridges unnecessarily. As for All, what's Michigan supposed to do if he went and got surgery from Dr. Nick against their doctors' advice? They still paid for it, hard to hold them responsible. Seth suggests this might mean All's injury was more career-debilitating than anyone wants to let on. Cade isn't being gracious, but who cares? So we won't root for him at Iowa anymore; we all know what happened: JJ McCarthy happened.
  • Breakdown of the trick play: Purdue saw what Michigan was doing but doubled the trick guy and left another TE open.
  • Big Ten West: Matt Rhule's recruited Texas which is the way to win at Nebraska, Wisconsin should do well with Fickell, those are the teams that are usually stronger. Purdue losing Brohm is a big deal.
  • Basketball: Losing Frankie just sucks and for no good reason, now they have to try Bufkin there and see if they can get Barnes to play the two.
  • Hockey: Recruiting is bonkers again, time to give Brandon Naurato the job.

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Bambi

December 8th, 2022 at 11:58 AM ^

Brian is the only one of that group who can talk about the playoffs/postseason without making my brain melt. Those takes from Craig and Seth were….yikes

gbdub

December 8th, 2022 at 12:21 PM ^

Every other major sport that tries to crown a “champion”, including literally every other level of American football, does so with a multi-team, multi-round tournament. Yes, sometimes this means early round games are rote blowouts. Sometimes it means a team that isn’t the “best” gets hot and wins the tournament. In every other sport and level of football this is considered part of the excitement. This should not be so hard. 

 

goblue2121

December 8th, 2022 at 12:25 PM ^

Definitely surprised in the way which McNamara has conducted himself. Thought he was a leader of men and knew better than to break the locker room code with media members. 

gbdub

December 8th, 2022 at 12:39 PM ^

It’s definitely unfortunate and a bad look. Cade, if he truly believes Harbaugh was wrong to pass him up for JJ, has a great opportunity to go prove it: transfer to Iowa and go win games. Anything else is just sour grapes and excuse making. 

If he wants to be salty, “Jim Harbaugh didn’t think I had it, he’s wrong and I’m gonna show you why next fall” is fine. Respectable. Hard edge of a competitor. “I actually did great, I was just secretly hurt, it’s the medical team’s fault, Jim Harbaugh is a scummy liar who didn’t give me what I was entitled to” is not. 

goblue2121

December 8th, 2022 at 12:52 PM ^

Yeah I fully expect any competitor to be angry when they lose their spot. That drive is what makes you an elite athlete.  The way you handle it and express yourself is what makes you a leader. It's even more important at that position when 100 guys are looking at you to lead them through the ups and downs of a season. It's easy to lead when things go well,  but adversity will show you who has character and who doesn't. 

treetown

December 8th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^

Michigan is already part of arguably one of the greatest "who do you pick for QB" battles with Drew Henson and some-guy who later did something in the NFL. 

Just go play well. What is that old saying - "living well is the best revenge"

If we are going to have layers of playoffs - give up a non-conference game OR two!

 

tybert

December 8th, 2022 at 12:33 PM ^

I'm basically done talking about Cade and All after this final post about them, but feel that JJ's full talents were not appreciated until he got his long-range throwing zeroed-in for the Ohio game. Some people forget that he was shut down for the spring to rest his shoulder and probably into the early summer. Had he been healthy all along, he would have hit some of those deep shots starting with the Maryland game. Our offense would have been even more potent, and the advantage of JJ over Cade would have been even more obvious.

JJ's the best QB prospect we have had since Ryan Mallett under Lloyd. These days, you don't force those guys into waiting two years to start. They go elsewhere. This was the only call JH could make if he wanted to beat a team with a fast D like UGA. The great news is he's back for 2023 along with The Don.

As for Cade, he could learn a thing or two from Jake Rudock. Jake didn't bash Kirk F when he was given the right to transfer to UM w/o sitting out a year (B1G rules back then usually allowed for an intra-conf transfer to be stopped or at least forced to sit a year). Jake was a two year starter and had pretty decent stats when he was benched in favor of Beathard. He came here, did his job very well (especially 2nd half of 2015 season + bowl). He was admitted to UM Med School late last year (he may be in his 1st year now). If Jake were introduced at an Iowa game, I'm sure he would get cheers. Certainly, if he were introduced at a UM game too.

Cade's going to find that the Iowa fan base is a very onery bunch. They used to be very satisfied with 8 wins and a bowl game, as long as one of those wins was vs. ISU. These past two years, the frustration has been building to the point that "fire Brian" chants erupt after 3 and outs. Petras was getting booed for errant throws. Cade is probably going to be facing high expectations. If he loses at ISU (and his passing is part of the reason they lost), he's going to find boo birds quickly. He doesn't have the talent around him. He's a steady player but I'm not sure he will be able to win games by himself and a bunch of 2 and 3 star guys not named Charlie Jones (former Iowa guy). 

As for Erick, hope he makes a full recovery as a person but I don't see him coming back anywhere near the player he was. Blocking was one of his strengths but how realistic is it to come back from surgery? I just hope he can get on with life and tie his shoes and lift his child without having to take ibuprofin every 8 hours. 

L'Carpetron Do…

December 8th, 2022 at 12:36 PM ^

I have also been an advocate for a wacky postseason format that Seth mentioned. In fact, I would propose we go back to the old bowl system, like pre-BCS.  The regular season and bowls are totally unique to college football and I think the 4-team playoffs and worse - a 12 team playoff - effectively kills both of things. 

My wacky idea: go to the old bowl system BUT with a little twist. So put Big Ten vs Pac Ten in the Rose Bowl every year and then rotate the conference matchups/at larges in the other bowls. Play out the bowls on and around NYD but if there are two undefeateds (or a legitimate dispute for #1), just play an extra national championship bowl the following week. So, Michigan and Nebraska would've faced off in the Bonus Bowl in '97.  And this would ensure there are no split national champions and hopefully and more importantly no 2-loss national champions. In this day and age, a 2-loss champ should never happen. Ideally, undefeated non-champions would also not happen under this system. 

And I like to think that this would give undefeated teams ('94 Penn State, '04 Auburn, some of those Boise State/UCF teams) a chance to play for the title. I also like to think it would clear up the early-BCS, computer-generated controversies by giving the snubbed teams a chance to prove it on the field.  

mgoviking5

December 8th, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^

Feel like it's really important to note that Erick All was on the sideline of every game and very supportive of the players and coaches. (He was going nuts trying to get the defense off of the field after the Upshaw picture.) It sounds like his gripes are solely with the medical office. Cade was definitely on the sideline for PSU and likely others, but his situation is much more complicated, I'd say, and understandably so.

Chris S

December 8th, 2022 at 12:44 PM ^

I'm so with Seth on the Cade/All thing. I'll always root for them because of what they did for us last year. It would take a lot to change my mind.

I'm also not as eager to jump on the "JJ happened" train as far as McCarthy being a superstar. I think he's good; I could also see it going either way with this being his ceiling or him making the jump to a level above him.

As for the playoffs, bring back the BCS!

gbdub

December 8th, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^

JJ is a true sophomore. He’s absolutely on the star track, though that doesn’t mean he’ll get there. But honestly, he’s better than Cade today, and that’s all that’s really relevant. Both are above average Big Ten starting QBs and deserve, and will get, a chance to show that. 

gbdub

December 8th, 2022 at 1:19 PM ^

Username checks out. 
 

In seriousness I think both of your positions are totally understandable. Which is why it is not smart for Cade to go out like this. Plenty of people who would cheer for his success in Iowa are now going to either ignore him or cheer for his failure. Professionally, many people who would go to bat for him are now not going to go out of their way to help at best - or actively impede his opportunities at worst. And you can’t really blame the people that do that. 

schizontastic

December 8th, 2022 at 1:07 PM ^

I had never thought about it, but cases like Alls' are pretty complicated medical ethics--how to respect patient autonomy (taking on risk playing) versus the unique role as "in loco parentis"...of a grown man with his own child. 

If All had a spine tumor removed at age 13 and fusion, would UMich have made him medically ineligible out of high school? Still complicated but takes the "against medical advice/maybe can no longer consider themselves his primary physicians" out of the picture.

MGoBkExam

December 8th, 2022 at 1:58 PM ^

Harbaugh began using a phrase this year which really has stuck with me - "better, no bitter". He has used it repeatedly talking about specific individuals and groups as well (eg - the walk on's). Related to these two guys? Maybe, maybe not. Not sure if it is a total coincidence though...

Carcajou

December 8th, 2022 at 8:02 PM ^

For as long as I can remember, I have been saying essentially what Seth is saying: a playoff should really be a playoff - i.e. when the top team is actually in doubt: whether that is two, three, or however how many (if at all).

But if you are going to do so, then make that one, game (or three, or four) AFTER the bowl games. Nearly everyone slagged the proliferation of bowl games, but for most players, they were a reward and chance to end the season on a positive note. For fans they gave us a chance to see something we don't see enough of in the regular season: a relatively even matched inter-sectional game.

And BTW it is not necessary to play them one week later, like the pros, 10 days - two weeks allows players to heal, prepare (and do school), fans to make arrangements (in mid-January, what is a slower than usual travel season). 

DK81

December 9th, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^

Really wish we would just keep the playoff at four. If expansion was unavoidable, I would have really hoped it was only to 6 and try that for a while.

 

12 is beyond overkill and hurts the regular season.