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Brian April 8th, 2019 at 11:29 AM

It's tough to chisel meaning out of an unpadded practice that's just position drills. Your author was also unprepared for the sheer length of the thing, which was scheduled for over two hours, and had to bail early when the infant strapped to his chest demanded egress. Hopefully I did not miss some whiz-bang stuff. I focused almost entirely on the offense because we know more or less what the D is going to be like.

Anyway:

The Gattis-ing. Prepare for QB claps, folks: WRs and TEs run a drill where a simulated QB claps and then they go on backwards motion of the guy's leg. That's an indicator that the sideline-call spread is making its return. There weren't any indications I could pick up of an ability to go tempo on folks. I looked. I'm sure that's a focus, but one that will have to wait for the spring game for anyone to confirm or dis-confirm that.

There were also snaps on which WRs went on simulated snaps from under center, so I don't expect the pro style stuff to go away completely.

[After the JUMP: various other tea leaves about the revamped offense]

Does the Gattis-ing extend to QB drills? I've been to a couple of these open practices over the years and don't recall anything like the QB drills that Michigan was running. These included:

  • A rapid-fire drill where the QB got tossed a ball repeatedly and had to get it out immediately.
  • A drill in which two QBs ran in a circle and tossed the ball to each other. They would occasionally have to reverse direction.
  • A drill in which WRs would disappear behind a large padded wall-type substance and pop out for a quick pass. These were rough for the WR corps, FWIW.
  • A "who throws a shoe" drill in which QBs would drop back, dodge a foam trapezoid that was hurled at them, and then throw.

The impression I got was that there was a lot more focus on getting the ball out quickly and functioning on the move. The shoe drill was the only one that seemed more about hanging in the pocket and finding something downfield. I may be completely off here and this is just stuff Harbaugh always does; I may be desperately hoping that Michigan throws one frickin' slant in the aftermath of Pepxit.

One more data point in favor of short stuff: long segment with the TEs where they ran choice routes, which are routes in which you run about 5-8 yards downfield and then break away from wherever your defender is. There seemed to be an emphasis on quick decision-making on shorter routes.

A certain vibe. Combine the previous two bullets with the OL running what seemed to be exclusively zone drills and the practice gave off a very Rich Rod feel, at least on offense. This is a good thing when you might have the best WR corps in the country and a QB like Patterson.

It seems like Michigan's counterpunch to inside zone, which I expect to be their base play, has to be power stuff, because Onwenu and Ruiz seem like awkward fits for outside zone. If Ruiz can run OZ at his size, forget it, Rimington and off to the NFL. Survey says… maybe?

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to be fair to Harbaugh, Dwumfour did get hurt in the bowl [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Motivational tactic. Harbaugh's weird press conference assertion that Mike Dwumfour and Donovan Peoples-Jones had soft-tissue injuries that could last the whole season seemed like motivational balderdash when he said it, and sure enough Dwumfour practiced. Dwumfour disclosed what his injury was and when it happened on twitter:

"I don't know where this false information is coming from"… uh well you see I want it to be clear that it isn't a blog and we can just drop it otherwise.

DPJ did not participate. Given the variance between the assertion about Dwumfour and the apparent reality I would assume that there's a small chance indeed that whatever his issue is lingers another five months.

The eye test. Seeing Jalen Mayfield next to Ryan Hayes was seeing an OL next to a guy who's still a year away from being an OL. Mayfield looks the part. I'd still give Stueber the edge in their battle at right tackle since he played about two games worth of snaps and looked decent doing so, but having Mayfield blow by him would be good news.

Also in eye test:

  • Erik All is a holy lock to redshirt, unless Michigan wants to play him at WR.
  • Rumors that Mike Onwenu has a more plausible claim to being the 350 pounds he's listed at remain unconfirmed despite your correspondent staring at him for a long time trying to figure it out. He is large, and I cannot tell whether he is Large Large or Huge Large.
  • Ruiz is also Large Large but is not Huge Large.
  • Mike Sainristil is tiny but looks fun. Noticeably more smooth than many of his colleagues at WR. (DPJ and Collins did not participate.)
  • Mustafa Muhammad still looks spindly. Nate Eubanks is now a bonafide TE, if he still seemed like a big WR last year.

Yikes. Michigan's options at RB were Ben VanSumeren and walk-ons. Turner and Charbonnet need to get healthy, and hopefully Chris Evans can toe the lines he has to toe to get back.

Lining up all over. Josh Uche split his time between the DL group and the LB group but was mostly at LB. With Mike Danna coming in this fall I assume he'll start at WDE, with Uche reprising his rush specialist role and adding some snaps in base packages. I wonder if we might see more 3-3-5. The 3-3-5 has never been a good rush D for M—it's mostly been awful, in fact—but given the situation at DT and the presence of a guy like Uche it might be an option.

The swap back. Phil Paea was back at DT. Usually switching back to a position you switched away from is a bad sign, but in this case Michigan has a rock-solid two-deep at center and needs DT bodies.

Zoning it. The one item on D that seemed like a notable change: there was a lot of time spent zoning simulated crossing routes. That's the obvious, necessary response after the unprecedented debacle last November. Also on the docket: a lot of simulated WR formations in which folks would point out who's got who, with a lot of unbalanced formations to decipher.

The giant ball. Many defensive drills ended with players grabbing a ball about three feet in diameter and lifting it up. As simulated tackles go this is pretty good: you reach down, arms wide, wrap your arms around something, and then secure it to lift. You want to hit low and explode up to stall momentum.

Comments

blue90

April 8th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

I'm a bit worried about the RB position. Even if a few hurt guys get healthy, one is a frosh and the other is inexperienced, hoping Charbonnet can really pull through and be the next awesome back at Michigan. Most of the other offensive stuff sounds and looks good. The defense will be fine and awesome as always.

Night_King

April 8th, 2019 at 11:52 AM ^

Utilizing slant routes and learning how to stop them (any crossing route at all, really) may be the most important lessons of the entire spring and summer. Happy we are prioritizing this. 

Speed in space!

Old98

April 8th, 2019 at 12:01 PM ^

If you think Sainristil is tiny wait until Giles Jackson, Quintel Kent and George Johnson show up on campus. WR recruiting outside of that amazing 2017 class has been average, at best, and the lack of size on the roster at that position is scary.

Still think our D is going to struggle vs good teams this year. Too weak up the middle at DT, safeties are as average as the day is long, and Devin Gil is going to get picked on again. Basically outside of Hudson the staff has not unearthed or developed their 3 stars. The "trust the coaches" crowd is taking L's because the recruiting rankings have been spot freaking on.

The talent level overall screams good not great. I think the offense will be excellent this year as long as the starters stay healthy. Again, recruiting rankings on both sides of the ball have been spot on. Basically this is a 9-10 win program unless they catapult their recruiting into the top 5 and do a better job of holding onto the big timers they do sign. People will incorrectly point to Clemson's rankings the past few years and we are not that. They recruit the most important positions QB, DL, and the skill guys better than anyone in the country and keep them around with low attrition rates. Guys like Asiasi, Solomon, Hudson, Singleton, Walker, Mitchell, Crawford, Irvin Bey, etc walking out the door means ours is not as good as people think. 

Until this program starts beating OSU and winning B1G championships you won't change my mind. The proof is in the pudding. Hate away.

lhglrkwg

April 8th, 2019 at 12:16 PM ^

It is a little disappointing how the recruiting has been going. Seems like it's been pretty meh for a few years. It's good, but I agree- it's not at the level where you're going to be competitive with the Clemsons Bamas and OSUs of the world, especially since most of our 3 star guys have looked like 3 star guys, not a bunch of diamonds in the rough

Old98

April 8th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^

I'd be scared shitless if we had to get on the same field as Clemson or Bama and anyone who is honest with themselves should feel the same way. Our weak links would get exposed and the recruiting rankings predicted it. On offense its Runyan and McKeon (coincidentally the only guys who weren't top 247 recruits starting). On defense it's at every level where there isn't a 4 or 5 star starting. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program. Coaching only goes so far. It's why Saban was a shit coach in the NFL but has mastered college football because he doesn't fuck around with 3 star projects. Hopefully we don't have to keep taking more L's to OSU for Harbaugh to learn this lesson. 

Dynasty

April 8th, 2019 at 12:56 PM ^

Do you think Harbaugh is actively refusing the commitment of 4 & 5 star guys and only accepting 3 stars? That's what your argument sounds like. I see it as, unfortunately, with recent history against OSU and the Rich Rod, Hoke years. Michigan is not in a position where they can realistically get a class full of 4-5 stars.

Old98

April 8th, 2019 at 1:15 PM ^

That's not my argument, but if UM wanted a class of all 4 and 5 star guys they could have it. Shit Penn State practically did that last year. I think UM's staff thinks their evaluations are better than they are and that they don't pay enough attention to the rankings. I think the recruiting department has shown a lot of signs of disorganization since Harbaugh got here hence why you have letters going out to kids who never attended BBQ's (Solomon), guys thinking they are in the class but aren't (Swenson, Pesek Hickson, Woods, etc), and a ton of decommitments (11 in 2016, 6 in 2017 2018, and 2019.) When UM is taking multiple guys without power 5 offers (Velazquez, Kent, Hickson, Bell, Woods, ect) it says to me you're either lazy or your evaluations are way way off. Either way it's a problem. They can do better. And here's the thing, if they were hitting on all these 3 star guys I wouldn't have a problem, BUT THEY AREN'T. You can pretty count on one hand the number of 3 stars who have turned into all big ten players under Harbaugh. The rest are as Brian likes to say "just guys." "Just guys" don't beat OSU and compete in the CFP. Three loss seasons every year and 0-4 vs OSU says I'm right and anyone saying otherwise is wrong. Recruiting needs to get better. It needs to go from good to great. It's that simple. Or we can keep playing musical chairs with assistant coaches looking for someone to blame every year.

mich_wolv95

April 8th, 2019 at 1:37 PM ^

Penn State signed 5 3-stars last year, is that really that close?

It's highly unrealistic to say Michigan could bring in only 4 and 5 stars when only 2 teams have done it since Saban got to Alabama in 2007. Bama did it last cycle (excluding kickers) and USC did it in 2013 in a 12-man class that finished 13th overall. There have been much better recruiting teams than Michigan that have repeatedly failed to accomplish this, that expectation is way too high.

Old98

April 8th, 2019 at 1:44 PM ^

You're missing the point and taking things too literal. In the example of PSU last year they signed 23 kids 18 of which were 4 or 5 stars. Michigan signed 26 kids but 11 of those were 3 stars. In UM's case that's not the kind of ratio you want especially when most of your 3 stars over the last 4 years play like, well, 3 stars. My point is UM is taking too many. They need to cut that number in half. This really isn't an argument anymore, we have 4 years of data that says I'm right, so lets stop wasting time and all agree that until recruiting goes from good to great we are a 10-3 program who will lose to OSU every November. If you're ok with that fine but I'm not.

mich_wolv95

April 8th, 2019 at 1:56 PM ^

First, because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they enjoy Michigan losing to Ohio State every year, I never indicated that remotely.

Second, complaining about people not arguing your points in another comment in this thread, and then saying "I'm right, so lets stop wasting time and all agree" here shows you're not really interested in discussing your ideas and are right to be treated as a troll.

Third, Bud Elliott's Blue Chip Ratio, which is the basis for all of your arguments, specifically mentions that the percentage of 4 and 5 stars doesn't matter, as long as it's above 50%, which is the level at which Harbaugh has recruited.

Finally, grouping Harbaugh's first two years against Ohio State when his recruits were mostly freshmen really doesn't tell us anything about how his recruiting philosophy fares. 0-2 still sucks, but it's not as large of a sample size as you indicate.

Space Coyote

April 8th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

You have the order of events wrong. Outside the "new coach honeymoon", teams don't recruit better and then win unless they are on the extreme side of cheating. Michigan needs to beat OSU, win titles, etc., and then it can pull in the classes you are arguing for.

scfanblue

April 8th, 2019 at 2:57 PM ^

You have ZERO clue about academics and character matter for Michigan football. That is a joke. What do you possibly know about that and where did you get your information to back that up? This is another arrogant post that makes the rest of the country hate Michigan fans. By the way, what is a GENERAL STUDIES degree? Michigan's recruiting is not as great as you think. 

Bodogblog

April 8th, 2019 at 4:30 PM ^

Remember it was this Grimma, the Wormtongue, who led the Fire Beilein crusade that quickly had him completely humiliated, so much so that he murdered his prior mgoblog accounts, along with his twitter identities. 

The vomit always has to sound a little bit reasonable, in between the dreck and callz to keepzing its realz, but glad to see the board has continued to recognize a fool for what he is.

ERdocLSA2004

April 8th, 2019 at 2:05 PM ^

So what’s the point of your post?  That we shouldn’t be optimistic about our team?  That we shouldn’t watch any games until we have all 5 stars and Saban at the helm?  Why do you even follow the team anymore?  You must be simply miserable if you devote this much time and negative emotion to something you claim to love.

there is nothing wrong with people here speculating and being optimistic about the team.  No one is saying we should book bama right now and expect to win.  After the way the year ended I think most reasonable fans aren’t going to believe any hype 100% until we see it on the field.  If we can’t at least be optimistic and passionate about the practice bits so far, what’s the point?

Brimley

April 8th, 2019 at 8:09 PM ^

Thank you, Doc!  Why do we follow Michigan football?  Because it's fun.  We have exactly zero effect on performance and have accomplished exactly nothing when the team wins.  Obviously, it's more fun when the team wins--there's that word again.  Someone like Maizen who is so unrelentingly critical and negative screws with our reward--having some fun.  And, Maizen, please don't hide behind, "I'm just stating the truth."  Your choices obviously aren't adding to anyone's enjoyment of their hobby.  If you're in love with the Bama way, then go to a Bama board and leave us fools to our happy, ignorant lives.  K?

Blue In NC

April 8th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

Kwity Paye (as a middling 3 star) would like a word with you.  He has looked very good in limited action and it appears he will be a very good player.  We all want the high-rated players but your rigid assertions that only 4 and 5 stars are good players and all of them work out is blatantly misguided.  But hey, I guess that's your gig.

ramuk8891

April 8th, 2019 at 1:51 PM ^

Agree with you on recruiting but it's hard to recruit consistent 4/5 star kids when our academic standards are much higher than that of Bama, Clemson and OSU. Not saying that I necessarily want this to change but just calling a spade a spade where it becomes much harder to recruit elite athletes who aren't meeting the academic standard. 

Salinger

April 12th, 2019 at 8:57 AM ^

I didn't think the Dax signing was meh. Or the Rashan Gary signing. Or the DPJ signing. There are few teams that recruit at the Bama, OSU, Clemson level. Especially teams that went through the RichRod-Hoke type down years. That takes a long time to recover from. Michigan will be fine.  

bdneely4

April 8th, 2019 at 12:25 PM ^

You took the Sainristil comment in this article and ran with several of your other negative outlooks which tells me you might be a glass half empty type of guy.  I think some of your takes are fair, but overall you paint a picture of lost hope unless we recruit a top five class which I believe is unrealistic and inaccurate.  This year our offense is setup to be one of the best we have had in a long time.  I don't think anyone can disagree with that.  We have a top tier RB coming in, a high rated WR (C. Johnson) coming in, the best backup QB situation with almost any team in the country, and several top tier ranked Dlineman coming in.  To make it seem like we are declining in talent in the "important positions" is very misleading IMO.  I believe Harbaugh's basement should be 9-10 wins with pretty much any talent he brings in.  What I hope he has yet to show to us is what is his ceiling with good and elite talent mixed together.  Harbaugh's full recruiting classes since he has been here the past 4 years are 2019 - 8th, 2018 - 22, 2017 - 5, 2016 - 8.  These recruiting classes are what I would expect out of Michigan (if not a tad bit better) and it is enough talent to start consistently winning 10-12 games per year.

bdneely4

April 8th, 2019 at 12:47 PM ^

I never once in my statement made it seem like I am satisfied, but the fact of the matter is you took a statement on a freshman recruit (who has been getting some of the most positive feedback from spring practice) and turned it into two paragraphs of how our team is going to struggle this year.  Harbaugh needs to begin proving that he can take top level talent and turn them into a top tier program (Which includes winning championships).  This is the year to do it.  Our defense might take a step back, back our offense should take a step forward.  Go Blue!

I'mTheStig

April 8th, 2019 at 3:04 PM ^

a freshman recruit (who has been getting some of the most positive feedback from spring practice)

That's EXACTLY the point.  

Do you think Bama or Clemson beat writers are fawning over a three star, undersized, freshman who hasn't had a competitive snap yet?

But Michigan thinks they deserve a seat at the big boys table?  Why? 

Because Harbaugh?

It has NOTHING to do with Maizen

It has NOTHING to do with RDT

It has NOTHING to do with being Debbie Downer...

...it's just keeping it real after watching to 15-20 years of shitty football. 

At least the staff had the stones to make the B1G east co-champs shirts with the tOSU and bowl game scores on it.  

But like the other poster mentioned... go ahead and attack me.  Question my Michigan-hood.  It's what the MGoGroupThink does to those who violate group norms.

 

bdneely4

April 8th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

First off, I didn't attack anyone unless you take me saying he must be a glass half empty kind of guy as an attack.  I also just gave my opinion which I plainly stated.  Also, I guess I didn't specifically write this, but Sainristil has been the most impressive (or most talked about) incomer according to reports.  That does not mean he has been the bright and shining star out of the entire team which I believe is what your "that's exactly the point" statement is insinuating.  Can an 3-star who initially seems to be one that under the radar be a highly talked about recruit and it not be a good thing?  Or is that always a bad thing and we as Michigan fans stand a lone at getting excited about any of our recruits doing well in Spring practice.  I think this team, Harbaugh, and the fans have legitimate cases to be criticized, but it is not all negative everything is doom and gloom stuff which from what I have read is what most of the MGoBlog family gets sick of reading therefore "attacking" other posters.  I will raise my hand in saying that I have been guilty of that, but it is also hard to tell anymore around here whether some people are actual Michigan fans or if they are rival fans disguising as a Michigan fan.

Jmer

April 10th, 2019 at 11:59 AM ^

Lol, you literally just used the "I know you are but what am I" comeback. I am nobody but jmer. It was a joke dude. If you look at my posting history, 75% of my posts are jokes. Some of them hit with the masses of mgoblog, and some of them don't. 

I add nothing of real value to the discussions around her other than maybe a laugh or two. I have no idea if you are Mazien or not and I don't care. I don't take this seriously. I love Michigan athletics but a lot of you guys are on a whole other level of devotion. 

mgogogadget

April 8th, 2019 at 12:36 PM ^

"Hate away" you say? Don't mind if I do! The need for you to find a hobby where you can positively contribute to its community is long overdue. The possibility of every word you type being even remotely true is irrelevant. You're an asshole proudly flashing your asshole badge. I know misery loves company, but please look elsewhere.

JPC

April 8th, 2019 at 12:40 PM ^

Consistent 10 win seasons is nothing to scoff at. Michigan underperformed last year and still managed to win 10. Had they not phoned in the bowl game, they would have won 11. 

Is Michigan as good as a perennial playoff level team like Alabama, Clemson, or OSU? Of course not. Those are the three best teams in the country. 

Old98

April 8th, 2019 at 12:52 PM ^

Consistent 10 win seasons is nothing to scoff at. Michigan underperformed last year and still managed to win 10. Had they not phoned in the bowl game, they would have won 11. 

Holy shit this is fucking gold. Thanks for this.

bdneely4

April 8th, 2019 at 12:55 PM ^

I agree with this take especially after the beatings we have taken in the last decade with the various coaches.  I do however expect Harbaugh to be able to take us to another level.  This might be shortsighted, but I can't help but think that if Harbaugh cannot take our program to be consistently winning 10-12 games, make the B1G championship game at least 1 out of every 3 years, and make the playoffs every year we win the B1G championship, is there anyone who can?

One random thought that keeps creeping in my head is does Harbaugh even care about bowl games once our goal of not winning a B1G championship or playoff spot is erased?  I just find it odd that we have lost the last 3 bowl games the way we did.  Harbaugh is a high intensity, get everything out of each player kind of guy and to underperform in the final game of the last 3 seasons seems like a lack of motivation and intensity deal.  Maybe I am overreacting to single game performances, but those games seem to be very deflating to a team and fanbase year after year.

ijohnb

April 8th, 2019 at 1:24 PM ^

I think it is fair to have a lot of questions about Harbaugh at this point.  He replaced most of his staff because the team simply has not performed in big spots.  The offense has been average and the defense has been exposed and exploited against good offenses.  It still may be true that Harbaugh is the best coach for Michigan, but I think the questions about whether he is going to take it to "another level" or whether there is even another level within our reach are fair questions at this point.

Put another way, there used to be a mob that would swarm you on here anytime you talked in less than complete glowing terms about Harbaugh.  Now that mob is down to a handful of posters who still basically view Harbaugh as basically infallible and view anybody who questions anything as "trolling."  I don't think that is how a majority of Michigan fans feel at this point.  I think most feel like asking "you are still into this thing, right?  Right??"

Frankly, Harbaugh has just not gotten done what most fans and followers of college football expected he would do at Michigan.  At least not yet.  I think it is fair to question whether he can at this point.  Not saying he can't necessarily, but we still have quite a hike to get there.