Mailbag: Krikor Arman, Alumni Stuff, Ryan As WLB, Also Krikor Arman Comment Count

Brian

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Who is the man, Brady Hoke? Krikor Arman, says Brady Hoke

The other side

So last week I bombed Braylon Edwards and various other people who have publicly or privately undermined the program since Carr's departure. I owe the internet in general a POV from the other side. I met a Bo walk-on at the Michigan Beerfest a couple years ago and he's been a consistent email correspondent; he provides this perspective from the recent billions-return alumni thing:

We had the team meeting last night which started out in the field house with Coach Hoke speaking for a few minutes while introducing his staff.  Afterwards we went over to the stadium and had dinner in the club level, which is beautiful.  There were probably 200 guys there, including Coaches Hanlon, Burton, Thornbladh, Moeller, and Carr.  It was a nice gathering and great to see the old fellas.

Regardless of what some outsiders think or what people want to hypothesize about RR, the fact of the matter is it WAS a different environment and it DID alienate ex-players/coaches, to a degree.  Michigan football is different.  It's a family.  It's steeped in traditions that are older than the vast majority of people on the board.  RR did not take care of the program.  He did not endear himself to the guys who won 42 championships in the 132 years of Michigan Football.  One thing I heard over and over last night from ex-players was "thank God we're done with that bullshit" ("the lack of defense" and "the guy just didn't get it"). It may seem petty, but this isn't like taking over an old, family owned business and revamping the computers and offices.  This is Michigan. I can't put it into words, but as much as I supported RR, he did not, in fact, get it. 

I talked with Bruce Madej for a while as well as Paul Schmidt.  I was surprised to learn that RR did not force freshman/sophomores to live in the dorm.  The only players who HAD to live in the dorm were the early enrollees, and they only had to stay there until after spring semester. Think about that. An 18 year old kid is going right from living at his folks place and attending high school to instantly living on his own, with rent and phone bills, gas bills, grocery shopping, etc. ALL THE WHILE trying to maintain his athletics AND play for a demanding coach. There's no way an 18 year should be put in that situation. It's overwhelming.  Schmitty told me that was the first thing he told Hoke when he arrived.  Hoke immediately switched the policy back to freshman and sophomores MUST live in the dorm.

It may seem like a pathetically insignificant aspect of the RR regime, but I think it's yet another example of how many different ways he failed as the head coach at Michigan.

I am NOT here to say Hoke is the answer because he's getting the young kids back in the dorm.  BUT, he has brought back some things that made this the winningest program in college football.  AND, he's galvanizing the fabric of Michigan football that had rusted a little bit over the last 3 years. 

So… there's that. My position here is endlessly conflicted. I wish the "This is Michigan" stuff wasn't so inflexible that it caused what happened over the last three years and etc etc etc but everyone knows that. This guy, like Craig Ross, just wants to see Michigan win. That's what we all want. We just have different opinions on the best way to go about doing that.

Jake Ryan and WLB

Brian -

I know that you weren't as high on Jake Ryan after a more thorough review of the spring game than some people, but he did do okay and he got some good reviews from bowl practices.  My question is this - why isn't he a contender at WLB instead of SLB?  It seems like he's a bigger, stronger, guy that can tackle well but might not be athletic enough in coverage.  Isn't that the type of guy you want at the WLB while the athletic converted safety types play the SLB (Gordon, Hawthorn, Jones, etc.)? 

Adam
AC1997
Chicago, IL

I wasn't necessarily down on Ryan. Like everyone else I was impressed by his playmaking, but he was going up against a redshirt freshman walk-on when he blitzed off the strongside. That's a major factor in a 1-v-1/2-v-2 scrimmage.

As for the question, Ryan is a big dude at 6'3" and nearly 230 pounds as a redshirt freshman. The usual S&C path will see him brushing up against 240 next year. That's a good size to be the guy facing down a tight end on the LOS most downs. It's not so good to be the designated super fast pursuit guy. Also, the knock on Ryan from high school was his agility. His recruiting profile is littered with references to his ability to "attack vertically," worries about his ability to cover guys, and vague mutterings about a move to DE.

While Ryan may have been an OLB candidate in the 3-3-5—where attacking vertically is a large chunk of the job description when you're not being coached by Greg Robinson—he's strictly SAM in a 4-3 under. Fortunately, he looks like an excellent fit there.

If you're looking for WLB reinforcements look to safety, where Marvin Robinson and Josh Furman are OLB-sized guys idling behind starters.

Technical blocking stuff

Brian,

The one thing I noticed from the scrimmage was a lot more "angle blocking" (layman's term, actually the offensive line appeared to be using Wing-T rules) as opposed to zone. The idea is to gain leverage on your opponent by blocking in towards the ball with the tackles/TEs and pull. The biggest thing that makes me say this is first the pulling techniques on the QB sweep looked exactly like a puller in a wing-T system (open deep, run around a down block).  "Angle blocking" is the idea in the flesh.  However, I actually could see this as an advantage for M going forward.  Zone is ubiquitous.  Rule blocking is not.  Could be an advantage.  The blocking did not look that great, yet.

Borges seems to be finding what the personnel does well and focusing on that (hence the grab bag of multiplicity).  Holy hell, we need a good runner, I hope Mike Cox is it.

Tyler Sellhorn

I kind of thought Michigan was good at running zone stuff by last year. The mobility on the interior gave them the ability to get downfield and pick up linebackers on the second level. I worry about their ability to move Big Ten defensive tackles, though. Last year it was up to those DTs to move faster than the OL so they didn't get reached. This year the power schemes will ask playside OL to overpower DL who might be bigger than them. We'll see.

Krikor Arman sets the record straight

Hello,

Thank you for the excellent reference in today's blog, I am honored.  Just wanted to clarify a couple things.  I did not come from the club team.  I went directly to open tryouts and made the team out of the 10 people trying out.  And this "forward #14" scored two goals in his first game, and has four championship rings from Michigan, one a National Championship.

So thank you, because I really appreciate all of my friends reading about how I was "forward #14."

Krikor Arman, M4

No offense was intended to Krikor Arman in this morning's post. Krikor Arman is notable enough to be in Wikipedia, which means he is more important than me, most webcomics and, for a brief time, Old Man Murray. He is also in med school.

Comments

bsand2053

April 25th, 2011 at 7:02 PM ^

All I meant is that I would like to hear what exactly RR did to piss off Braylon and the walk on from the post and everyone who said "Thank God that bull shit is over".  When they speak vaugely, don't produce any evidence of disrespect, and can't explain the notable exceptions to the "RR doesn't respect the program's history" talking point, it makes it seem like they didn't even try.  Until they actually prove that he told them to screw off (but not Jerry Hanlon and Larry Foote), they look like whiners who were mad that RR never coached for Bo.

Feat of Clay

April 26th, 2011 at 11:44 AM ^

One thing to also keep in mind--the search committee included a former player, and supposedly he and other members of the search committee were unahppy with the way it all played out.  Even a casual comment to a former teammate about that, like "I don't know about this new coach; I think they got the wrong guy; why didn't they listen to us, etc etc" would, I imagine, fly around the ol' former-player telegraph pretty quick.

And that kind of talk surely colors how former players might perceive a new coach.  An otherwise-forgivable gaffe or an understandable lack of familarity with some MI traditions can suddenly become "further proof" that he's a bad pick.

Maybe RR really didn't "get it;" I don't know.  But I suspect he was facing an uphill climb in that department because of the whole "Why Didn't We Call Les Miles?" brouhaha, and the fact that a former player was (allegedly?) a part of that camp.

Hail-Storm

April 25th, 2011 at 6:12 PM ^

For some reason I have been imagining the RR era at Michigan the same way as the Meet the Parents movie. Ben Stiller (RR) an outsider who is a nurse (non-michigan man) wants to join a family, but unfortunately he's just not good enough.  Unfortunately, after Stiller has a breakdown and says Bomb on the plane (RR sings Groben) there is no happy ending of the Dad (old guard) admitting they were a bit tough on him.   

Magnus

April 25th, 2011 at 6:14 PM ^

FWIW, there was a Rivals post from one of the mods that said Jake Ryan might play some WILL.  It surprised me and doesn't really make much sense, except maybe they're just trying to get the best 11 on the field.  If Cam Gordon is clearly better than Ryan at SAM but Ryan is better than Evans/Jones/Hawthorne/Poole at WILL, then...maybe.

ryebreadboy

April 25th, 2011 at 6:33 PM ^

1. Krikor sounds like a douche.

2. I bet he made that Wikipedia page himself, since the formatting leaves a lot to be desired, especially compared with those of Denard Robinson, Jordan Kovacs, Kevin Koger, etc.  Interestingly, not all undergraduate UM players (see: Mike Cox, Vincent Smith) seem to have them.  Wonder why that is?

3. Med school is not that big a deal.  So says this M2.

Michiganguy19

April 25th, 2011 at 9:13 PM ^

I know the Arman brothers. They are passionate people and heck certainly tough guys on the ice. But they certainly are not douches. No need for name calling people you don't know.

Objectively the guy walked on at Michigan, won a national championship, and now is in his 4th year of Med. School. If all of our student athletes are successful like that, then I hope you label them all douches.

kdhoffma

April 26th, 2011 at 10:35 AM ^

Because there's no such thing as a successful douche?

 

I don't know the Arman brothers, but when I combine the obviously self-written wikipedia page with the stories shared yesterday from his days playing IM hockey and then add in the email to Brian, I come to the conclusion he is most likely a douche.

wolverinehusker

April 26th, 2011 at 1:26 PM ^

I also know Krikor. I'm not saying I know his brother/his family (other than enjoying a Quickie Burger now and then). I am not saying I am the definitive expert on all things Krikor (in regards to the douche vs not douche debate), nor is anyone who reads this site, except Krikor himself.

He's a nice guy. I agree with a comment in an earlier post that he can come off a little arrogant, but I don't think he means it in a bad way. And, again, he was part of a Michigan National Championship team. I know that means opening up the doors to a public scrutiny, but I feel bad for the guy more than anything now. Who wants to be belittled by anonymous blog posters who don't know him? Regardless of who he is/if he made his own wikipedia page (doubtful, those tend to NOT fly), its all kind of harsh. But not harsher than we all do to everyone else who ever entered the stratosphere of Michigan sports.

And as a recent med school graduate, the M4 is indeed for "Medical School Year 4." He probably only signed that out of a habit, since we're constantly identifying ourselves as the med student in emails to the thousands of doctors who don't know us that we need to work with every day.

Bando Calrissian

April 25th, 2011 at 8:40 PM ^

I know Krikor and his brother, Varujan, who as I recall was the last club guy Red cut at walk on tryouts for two straight years.  They're not douches.  At all.  They're great guys who come from a great family.  Krikor is going to be one hell of a doctor, and is a well-respected part of the Michigan Hockey family.

But, hey, you read an email posted on a blog, so you're the authority.

And as for M4, he's a 4th year med student, if I'm reading it right.

champswest

April 25th, 2011 at 6:17 PM ^

Michigan Men (so that they get it), we better concentrat on building a better pool of assistant coaches with future UM head coach potential.  Otherwise, we will be forced to "think outside of the box" like we did 3 years ago, and that will never work.

WojoRisin

April 25th, 2011 at 6:22 PM ^

So what happens to players who are now sophomores and juniors, have given 2 or 3 years worth of time, commitment, and dedication to the football program and lived off campus since they got here? Do they not "get it"? Are they not "Michigan Men" because they didn't start their time according to the rules of a former regime? Lets not take into account that these kids were probably able to handle whatever living arrangements they made for themselves. Maybe we should just not welcome them back once they are alums. Everyone should just move on and forget their time here ever happened, since we're so glad this bullshit is over.

It's not about supporting "how it used to be". It's about supporting the kids who are here now. I'm glad the support is back, but I'm pissed that it ever left.

Bb011

April 25th, 2011 at 6:36 PM ^

I think its crazy and kinda weird that some freshman on the football team didn't live in the dorms. Not only would it add more confusion (bills etc) to their life, it would add a lot more distractions.

WojoRisin

April 25th, 2011 at 7:22 PM ^

I have a problem painting a picture of these kids with such a broad brush. These kids might have been paying bills for their family for all we know. If a kid comes from a rough upbringing and has to help his family it might actually be a break for them to live off campus and just worry about themselves. AFAIK, the only players to get in trouble with "distraction" and "confusion" of living off campus are Cissoko and Demens. Now who recruited those guys? If this has been a non issue, why the hell does it matter?

MKEblue

April 26th, 2011 at 9:10 AM ^

How can you be sure that some of the problems transitioning to a new football scheme aren't related to off-campus distractions? Maybe some of the younger players (read: the entire defense) weren't able to focus on football as much as if they were in the dorms. I'm not saying this is necessarily what happened, but you're making the equally unfounded assumption that it wasn't what happened. There are benefits to living in the dorm.

gbdub

April 26th, 2011 at 9:57 AM ^

Again, normal non-athlete freshmen DO NOT have to live in the dorms - obviously, the University has decided that it's worthwhile to allow students to pick their own housing. Not sure it should be a high crime for the football coach to agree with general University policy.

There are reasonable arguments on both sides. But that's the point - it's a matter of policy that should be up to the coach. Forcing players to live in the dorms is not THE MICHIGAN WAY, it's just one way of doing things out of many possible ways. And ex-players citing that as a reason the RR didn't "get it" or "didn't respect tradition" would seem to indicate that they were going to reject ANY changes RR made, which is a totally unfair attitude to have towards a new coach.

gbdub

April 25th, 2011 at 6:46 PM ^

I appreciate the input of the former player, but I have to say, the more I hear, the more it seems like the attitude of "RR didn't get it" is simply a synonym for "RR changed things". The alums seemed to have confused "policy" with "tradition" and "the way Lloyd/Gary/Bo did things" with "THE Michigan Way". This is of course extremely myopic, since Bo very successfully came in and totally changed the "traditional" way of doing things.

Singing The Victors is tradition. Winning is tradition. Where the freshmen live and where the seniors sit on the plane is policy - and there is more than one possible set of policies that can be successful in college football. Unfortunately, it seems like the alums were going to reject anyone from outside the "family",  because the new coach was necessarily going to have his own way of doing things.

I am still extremely scared that this is going to bite us in the ass unless Hoke is extremely successful and picks a great coach-in-waiting - because otherwise, the Bo/Gary/Lloyd tree is pretty well spent and at some point we're going to go outside the family again.

no joke its hoke

April 25th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^

Rich was about the only former player proud to stand up with his coach and defend him. The whole topic of change was the point in hiring RR.  I support coach Hoke as much as I have every other coach at Michigan but I'm sick of the "OMG HOKEZ DA MAN" shit when he hasn't even won a game yet. Everyone wants Michigan to win but a part of the fan base is classless in their act to undermind the previous coaching staff to only turn around and raise this staff up to the college football "heavens" like they are some demigods. I think Hoke will do fine here and hope that a portion of the fan base does not try to undermind he either.

cbuswolverine

April 25th, 2011 at 7:04 PM ^

So once again, we get:

"Regardless of what some outsiders think or what people want to hypothesize about RR, the fact of the matter is it WAS a different environment and it DID alienate ex-players/coaches, to a degree."

followed by ZERO details as to why it WAS a different environment that DID alienate ex-players/coaches.

Now THAT'S bullshit.

coastal blue

April 25th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^

The former players sound like a bunch of whining,  immature children who didn't receive enough attention from daddy. Except they are grown men. It's pathetic. 

Ziff72

April 25th, 2011 at 7:43 PM ^

How many Frosh and Soph actually moved out?  It seems stories of guys in the dorm were endless.

 

Did he ever meet RR?   It seemed like guys that met RR enjoyed themselves and felt at home and guys that stayed away and were embarrassed by the losing made up shit to fit a story.  Rick Leach, Lamarr Woodley, Larry Foote to name a few seemed to enjoy it.  

It's alot easier now in a setting like that to just go with the flow and say "yeah he sucked" than to say "you know I liked that guy we should have stuck it out".

bfradette

April 25th, 2011 at 8:10 PM ^

I consider myself a michigan fan. I have watched since '86, which was about the time I got old enough to understand what I saw. 

When RR was hired, I was no less a michigan fan, even though I did not want to see Michigan be West West Virginia on the field. I was in the line with the others saying Carr had to move on, I was tired of losing to OSU and bowl opponents and ND. Not one saturday have I ever woken up hoping michigan would lose. I rooted for them in any state I was in, and they haven't been michigan for a long time. 

I am "The Michigan fan" wherever I go, and everyone knows it. I sell computers and windows 7 to people by telling them I love windows 7 almost as much as Michigan Football. Im curently in Iowa. Just because I, from states away did not like what I saw on the field does not make me less of a fan. I rooted for the wins just the same, and rooted for the good, and b**tched about the bad. I was of the opinion RR was not going to get it turned around before the bowl game, and the game was the clincher. I don't f-ing care why we were losing. I am not comfortable with the idea that michigan has less than a snowball's chance to win on some saturdays over the last 3 years. 

I proudly point to the Appy state loss, because, as James Madison proved since, it ONLY mattered because it was Michigan. If it had happened to almost any other program, it wouldn't have mattered. No one cares JM beat VaTech last year, because it's just VaTech. 

I choose to assume that players who built UM into what I rooted for have access to information I don't about the inner workings of the program. I also choose to assume that the players who only played for RR don't know what the fuss is about, because it wasn't there, and they didn't see it. The players who built it, and know what it is from the guts on out are the ones I consider to be the authority of record about what the program is and isn't, not some guy on a blog. 

Hail-Storm

April 25th, 2011 at 8:25 PM ^

you were one of the Lloyd must go, and RR doesn't get it crew.

Guess what, the guys who mentioned something about former players not being there are RVB (recruited by Carr, and played for him for one year) and Mike Hart (who played for Lloyd). I'll take those guys opinions over some random guy on the internet who can't form his own opinion, and complains about a guy on the internet's blog (one of the most highly respected sports blogs) on his own blog. We won't miss you.

bfradette

April 25th, 2011 at 8:43 PM ^

But now, you're guilty of cherry-picking. You listen to the 2(!) players you want to hear, and discard the many others, or disparage their character when they don't agree with your view, which, I could say you didn't form on your own, either....see how I did that?

Hail-Storm

April 25th, 2011 at 9:33 PM ^

If you read my other posts, I formed my own opinion based on what I think it means to be a Michigan Man. I can easily deduce from the "not get it" crowd (that has not provided any true evidence of what "it" is) that they didn't like the fact that the new coach didn't know them and how they liked the program run. Many former players have stated that RR's door was wide open and that they didn't make more of an effort to meet him.

No person is above the program, which includes former players.

Again, I love how you come to someone's blog just to point out you don't care about their opinion.  I don't understand why you wouldn't just pick one of the many other Michigan blogs linked throught this website.

 

bfradette

April 25th, 2011 at 11:45 PM ^

I don't get how you go to a blog just to agree with someone else's opinion.....

 

I never said RR didn't get "it", I said I couldn't stand watching us take the field, knowing we weren't likely to win. That didn't happen in the whole of my fandom before. Whatever else you defend or how you lay blame, RR was the single biggest failure of a coach in the history of the winningest program in college football history. 

When you come in to a new job, and change the way things are done, you'd better WIN. He did not. 

Further, I explained where my opinions came from. I grew up watching michigan football, and what RR brought was not "michigan football", and since it was such a spectacular failure, it was not going to become michigan football. 

Even if the split among former players was 50/50 with feeling like RR's program was one to be spending time around, that's still a pretty damning indictment. (sp? its late). I don't recall hearing anything similar from previous coaching changes, but then, I wasn't around when Bo came in. I feel pretty confident Bo's boys rubbed shoulders with Mo's men just fine, with little trepidation about returning to spend time around the program, though admittedly I have only negative evidence to support that claim.