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Hello: Taylor Groves Comment Count

Brian February 5th, 2021 at 1:45 PM

Maurice Linguist: popular in Tennessee. The first of two four-star Tennessee DBs to drop today was Taylor Groves. Let's play the feud!

GURU RANKINGS

Rivals ESPN 24/7 Composite
4*, 5.8 rating
#41 WR, #11 TN
NR WR 4*, #188 overall
#15 S, #4 TN
4*, #242 overall
#16 S, #6 TN

ESPN has not evaluated Groves yet; the two sites that have are looking at a relatively big divide. 24/7 thinks he's a safety inside the top 200; Rivals has him a fringe four-star WR.

[After THE JUMP: scouting, video, and no otters]

SCOUTING

Groves is a long, rangy WR/free safety sort who most schools were recruiting for offense. Ed Orgeron's take, as relayed through Groves:

"He told me I'm a deep ball threat, I'm a big receiver, long, athletic and I can go get it … We're going to stay in contact and I'm going to try and get the receivers coach on the phone as well and build that relationship with him." …

"I've become a better route runner over this past offseason and one thing I've really tried to put a focus on," Groves said. "I want to be able to run every route on the tree so I'll do different cone drills, work on being more flexible with my hips through a bunch of different exercises." 

Per Rivals's Chad Simmons only three of his offers were on D but he's clearly got some appeal there:

… big athlete with long arms, great instincts, and his ball skills consistency jump up when breaking his tape down. … great size, he is an athlete, he is going to add more weight and muscle to his frame, and he is a commitment Michigan fans should be excited about.

And those teams recruiting him at safety include all the heaviest hitters:

"[Coaches] think my best path to the NFL is at defensive back because of my ballhawking skills, length and the way I tackle. Most of the colleges are looking at me at receiver though."

There are handful of schools that like him at defensive back.

"LSU wants me at free safety. Clemson sees me as a safety, but they haven't offered me yet. Ohio State and Alabama like me at defensive back as well."

LSU apparently changed its mind about offense.

His 7-on-7 (I think?) coach:

“…so versatile, he’s so long and fast, he has an extra gear, he has a lot of length a lot of people don’t have. His ceiling is very high and I think he can be an elite free safety because he has that gear to cover so much ground and has those long arms. Great ball skills with him being an offensive guy that also plays receiver. Will be a very easy transition to the defensive side with his ball skills.”

Wiltfong praises his "quick twitch, leaping ability and ball skills." He was also a very good basketball player, averaging 21 points per game as a sophomore—he didn't play this year due to an injury.

OFFERS

Groves picked up a suite of early offers last July, including LSU, VT, Tennessee, Ole Miss, A&M, and Arkansas. Notre Dame and Michigan followed up in late January. Depending on who you listen to, Ole Miss and Notre Dame thought they had the inside track before Mo Linguist fired up the sincerity machine.

HIGH SCHOOL

Groves is the first player from his high school to land at a D-1 school in the Rivals database. An article from the Robertson County Connection describes Cross Plains as a place with "less than 2,000 residents, a handful of stoplights and two mom-and-pop restaurants."

STATS

As a sophomore Groves had 49 catches for 739 yards; on defense he put up 57 tackles and seven interceptions. His team got in a full season this year, but Groves got hurt. In five games he had 694 all-purpose yards, 55 tackles, and two interceptions.

FAKE 40 TIME

Groves doesn't have a combine 40 on record, which allows for some truly eyepopping fake 40s. He claimed a 4.38 in an article from an LSU site, which gets 4/5 fakes. One of his trainers told Steve Wiltfong that he "runs low 4.4, mid 4.4s on a bad day"

VIDEO

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

We haven't see what Michigan wants to do with their safeties in the new regime yet so it's hard to project his fit. I am just a guy on the internet but his film above really looks like a big, rangy high-point maven of a receiver. He's got these big loping strides and is clearly downshifting so that his noodle-armed QB can get him the ball, and then he takes to the skies when the ball arrives.

This is almost exactly like Brad Hawkins, who turned in a post-grad year full of spectacular leaping catches before getting shipped to safety; Groves is longer and skinnier than the relatively compact Hawkins. Pending some real 40 numbers, he may be significantly faster.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Michigan will continue to chase defensive backs in quantity; this won't have any effect on Michigan's pursuit of in-state five-star Will Johnson. More important going forward is the way this recruitment developed. Michigan was not on the radar until a week ago, and then it was game over thanks to Mo Linguist:

“Coach Mo called and had one of the realest conversations I’ve ever had and then he offered me,” Groves told The Michigan Insider. “It was just really amazing. (He told me) that he can help me reach every goal that I want, including school, and how he loves every aspect of my game and wants to make me a Wolverine.

"I’ve only talked to him that one phone call, but I can already tell that he really cares and a coach that will do everything he can to make me the best man and football player I can be."

Linguist just yoinked a couple of four-star kids out of a recruiting ground Michigan has not done a ton in, historically, and closed on them in record time despite a near-total lack of existing connections to Michigan. (2021 LB recruit Junior Colson is about it.) If the new theory of Michigan football is recruiting first, second, and third this is an early indicator there will be payoff from it.

Comments

My Name is LEGIONS

February 5th, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^

To all the guys here who have been bitching about recruiting over the years... I tip my hat to you, as you were right...   now I see the uptick we just got, and the future is looking great now.

ChiCityWolverine

February 5th, 2021 at 3:37 PM ^

This rhetoric is lazy. Michigan has finished at least second in the B1G in 8 of the last 10 cycles and has 6 Top 10 national classes in that span, only once finishing worse than #22. The outliers are 2015 (#37 nationally in a transition year) and 2018 (#22 nationally and Penn State had a monster class, their only top 10 finish in that span).

You certainly can argue that's not good enough to compete at the CFP level and you'd be right, but it's quite a bit more talent than anyone in the B1G outside of OSU and PSU can claim. Nebraska, Michigan State, Maryland, Wisconsin, and Iowa consist mostly of classes between #25-#45 nationally and the Spartans, Badgers, and Hawkeyes still give Michigan a ton of trouble.

It's fair to be excited about the new staff's energy right now, but recruiting is a marathon and the fruits of that work are born 2, 3, 4 years later. Folks seem to think Michigan will sign top 5 classes annually now but even if that happens in one cycle, they'll only have staying power if they win on the field. It's down to the roster (plus a couple transfers potentially) they have to turn things around and quickly or this momentum will dry up with a couple of uninspiring 7-8 win seasons.

BTB grad

February 5th, 2021 at 5:52 PM ^

It also isn't lazy at all. We had gaping holes at certain positions (that recruiting fans on this site had been screaming about for 2 years) and the coaches immediately recruited those positions at a fervent pace that landed 5 commits (4 of them 4-stars). This is new on the defensive side of the ball.

Under Don Brown, we just took fliers on guys from CT and RI ranked outside the top 1000 super early on and then never raced to fill those positions with high level players. You can attribute a lot of last year's 2-4 season to not recruiting DT or CB at a high level for a while. Yeah sure we stock-piled and raked in high ranked safeties, DEs, and LBs which attributes to why we've had high ranked classes, but identifying needs, filling them with high-level players, and roster management is more important than just looking at the rankings

Phaedrus

February 6th, 2021 at 12:12 PM ^

It’s nice to have an easy answer but nothing is ever quite so simple. For example, if we didn’t face such ridiculous attrition it would really have helped us out. 
 

Or, for example, if we had just recruited key positions like DT and CB better.

Or maybe our defensive coordinator could have adapted when opponents adapted to him and roster changes required strategic reconsiderations.

Better recruiting should help, but it’s no magic bullet. Even if we improve our recruiting, those guys down in Columbus will likely continue to out-recruit us until we get some wins against them. We need better recruiting, but we also need better coaching, roster continuity, and luck.  

bluesalt

February 5th, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^

That’s some seriously impressive recruiting, getting someone who has serious SEC and Notre Dame offers to commit in a matter of weeks when they’ve been after him for the better part of a year.

Ferg0dsakes

February 5th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^

Keeping with the "Let's play the feud!"  We beat Tennessee after they likely told a group of recruits, "you gotta chance to drive outta here in a brand new car!"... or at least go on a drive to "Mac Donalds" for some "Food".