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Hello: Jacob Smith Comment Count

Alex.Drain July 21st, 2023 at 12:05 PM

Michigan has piled up EDGE commitments in recent weeks, today's Hello representing the fourth such post we've had to do since mid-June. The class filled up in a hurry and Connecticut 4* Jacob Smith is the final piece to that quartet. The twin brother of DT commit Jerod Smith, Jacob took his time and dabbled with other suitors before finally joining Jerod in Michigan's 2024 class. 

GURU RATINGS 

RATINGS BY SITE

247: 6'4.5/230

On3: 6'4/225

Rivals: 6'4/226

ESPN: 6'5/235

4*, 90, #234 Ovr
#14 DL, #5 CT
3*, 89, NR Ovr
#36 DE, #5 CT
4*, 5.8, #240 Ovr
#16 WDE, #2 CT
4*, 84, #97 Ovr
#14 DE, #3 CT
4.03 3.72 4.06 4.49

COMPOSITE RANKINGS

247 Composite

On3 Consensus

MGoBlog

 
4*, 0.9198, #211 Ovr
#17 DL, #4 CT
4*, 90.52, #255 Ovr
#16 DE, #6 CT
4*, #361/798 Ovr
#43/90 Edges since 1990
4.20 4.05 4.03

Jacob Smith is a 4* prospect to three of the four outlets. 247 and Rivals are right in line with each other, having Smith just inside the top 250, while ESPN and On3 are on opposite ends. ESPN pegs Smith as a top 100 prospect, while On3 has him in 3* territory. The average is a consensus 4*, the 247 composite being higher than On3's consensus due to how they weight their own rankings. Jacob's rankings are not too different from Jerod's, but ESPN, On3, and Rivals are higher on Jacob, while 247 is higher on Jerod. As for the measurements, Smith is between 6'4 and 6'5 in height and between 225 and 235 according to the various sites.  

[AFTER THE JUMP: Another J. Smith defensive tweener]

SCOUTING 

As usual, we can start with EJ Holland of On3 for his quick set of takes before drilling deeper. In his commitment post, EJ was rather glowing about Jacob Smith and what he brings to this class ($): 

Smith brings the best mix of a high ceiling and a high floor in the class. He was a consistent performer on the camp circuit this offseason and was named an Under Armour All-American. Smith checks a lot of boxes and is a safe bet to have a strong career in Ann Arbor.

Smith is a frequent camp attendee so EJ has gotten to see him a decent amount and is sure that he isn't merely an unsexy, high floor sort of kid. There's a ceiling here too: 

That doesn’t mean that Smith doesn’t have an exciting ceiling. I was extremely impressed with his speed and ability to bend at the Under Armour camp in New Jersey this offseason. Smith dominated in the 1-on-1 session and flashed a ton of athleticism. 

This is a bit of a departure from Touch The Banner, who did not come away terribly enthused about Jacob Smith, differing on the athleticism (though agreeing on the bend): 

Jacob bends well, but he does not show the burst or bull rushing ability to seem like a consistently effective pass rusher. I think he is best used on stunts, where he shows the ability to get low, change direction well, and make plays in the backfield after getting freed up by scheme.

More alarming to TTB seemed to be the tweener nature of Jacob, much like brother Jerod: 

Is Jacob an edge player or a linebacker? Michigan wants him as an edge player, but Nebraska wanted him as a linebacker. Jerod is a 5-tech defensive end . . . or a 3-tech defensive tackle. ...

Where does he fit on defense? I’m reminded a little bit of Jake Ryan, who was a very good college player at Michigan, but he was kind of a quasi-defensive end and then also spent time at middle linebacker

EJ did note in his write up the versatile nature of Smith's profile, but viewed in a more positive light (with evidence that the Michigan coaches agreed): 

(Smith) played everything from EDGE to linebacker and corner and looked comfortable at all positions. Even Minter and Elston chuckled at Smith making plays at corner

Lucas Reimink of New Rivals did a full scouting report of Jacob Smith and pointed to Smith's coverage ability as the reason for his versatility, rating it very highly for a defensive lineman ($): 

One of the more impressive things about him is how comfortable he looks dropping into coverage for an Edge player. He uses his good lateral agility and good foot speed to track RBs and TEs into the flats in man coverage and can spot drop into zone coverage as well. He can even turn and run with RBs and TEs when needed as well, showing good ball skills down the field

Reimink found his athleticism solid (perhaps somewhere between EJ and TTB's evaluations) and highlighted his hand usage as something that needs to be refined to grow him as a pass-rusher: 

As a pass-rusher, he has solid acceleration to get off the ball and put pressure on the opposing OL right off the snap ... He has solid hand use but if he can improve upon that and combine good hand use with his good athletic ability, he can really develop into a dominant pass rusher down the road.

Reimink also recommended that Smith add weight/muscle to improve in the bullrush: 

He has solid physical strength to bull rush as well, so he has a few different ways he can create pressure on the QB but will need to continue to add weight and strength to sustain that ability as he advances to the higher levels of football

Interestingly, Reimink wasn't as crazy about the bend... but Cheshire Academy coach Bill Mella is. He was interviewed about the Smith brothers by On3 ($): 

The first thing that really impressed me about him is he has the ability to dip under offensive linemen without losing balance. It’s really impressive. He can get on an angle that defies physics. You’re talking about a 6-foot-4 or 6-foot-5 kid that is 230 pounds. The entire length of his body is like at a 30-degree angle at full speed. 

Mella is also crazy about J. Smith galore: 

These two kids are extremely athletic. If that quarterback lines up and looks to his right and sees J. Smith and looks to his left and sees J. Smith, you’re going to have to give it a couple of different thoughts before you snap that ball

And he doesn't even know there's a Jaden Smith in the class! 

OFFERS 

Both Smiths were considered strong Notre Dame leans early in the cycle, pretty much up until the point that Jerod picked Michigan. Thereafter Notre Dame faded from the pursuit of Jacob and during the last weeks of this recruitment, it appeared that Nebraska was the main competitor for Jacob. It seems at least like Jacob was somewhat enticed, but Michigan ended up closing the deal. It always seemed likely because let's be real here, how often do twins in NCAA sports not go to the same school? 

As for the list of offers, both Smiths held offers from Alabama, but it's not clear if they were takes for the Crimson Tide. Other offers include Kentucky, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, SCar, and Texas A&M out of the SEC and Louisville, UNC, Wake, UVA, VT, Pitt, Syracuse, and Georgia Tech out of the ACC. Out west, he was offered by Arizona and USC and down home in the B1G, Smith held offers from PSU, Iowa, Rutgers, MSU, and Maryland. Both Smiths went on a ton of visits, with a very active father in the recruiting process, so this was a pretty lively list of interested programs. 

HIGH SCHOOL 

Going to C&P this section from Jerod's Hello because Seth covered it in great detail and there's nothing new to add: 

Loomis Chaffee is a world-class boarding school with a world class physical training center, and collects a ton of talent from all over the country. The world, really—remember Michigan got Alessandro Lorenzetti out of there last year. Alabama got 4-star OT Olaus Alinen this year, Miami (yest THAT Miami) is getting 3.5* TE Jackson Carver, and the RB is going to Wake Forest.

Also the Smiths aren't going to Loomis anymore, transferring with their quarterback to Cheshire Academy this semester because Loomis doesn't allow early graduation. You may remember Cheshire from such players as Tarik Black and Josh Jobe. Both schools play a spate of top New England/New York academies you may remember from Don Brown recruitments like Choate (Tristan Bounds, Manuel Biegel, Hunter Reynolds), Suffield (Kechaun Bennett, Davis Warren, Will Rolapp), Brunswick (Cornelius Johnson) and Milton (Kalel Mullings).

Based on a 2021 interview, their Marine dad has been behind the boys' training, seeing a nutritionist, reclassifying from 2023s to 2024s. A lot of lifestyle changes that Smith's Michigan teammates will encounter next year are already old hat to the twins. Up to their first sophomore year, the Smith brothers grew up in Somerset, KY, near Lexington, except for three years when their dad was stationed in Japan. He's now stationed in South Carolina, but they summered back in Somerset when not touring all the schools (again).

STATS 

Loomis Chaffee's MaxPreps page is not useful for stats, so I went hunting for the articles that featured Jerod's stats that Seth used, yet those articles did not offer any stats on Jacob strangely. I will continue this pursuit and update the article if I can find anything. 

FAKE 40 TIME 

Have not found a 40 time for Jacob Smith, as was the case for Jerod. 

VIDEO 

Junior highlights: 

More available on his Hudl page

ETC 

A 247 article at the time of his commitment to Michigan has a quote about Smith's fondness for Michigan assistant Dylan Roney, which is certain to not ruffle any feathers (emphasis mine): 

"He's a great guy," Smith said. "He is someone I could relate to. He is close in age to me. He's a young guy. He's not an old head that thinks MJ is the best in the world. He's more relatable, similar life experiences. You can have a good conversation with him even if it wasn't about football. You can talk to him about anything."

Hmm.

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE 

The scouting is a little all over the place for Jacob Smith. He's seen as generally athletic, but is athleticism a real strength? Up in the air. Most evaluators agree his bend is a strength, but not necessarily everyone. Refinement of his pass-rushing and the need to bulk up further are the most commonly cited areas of improvement, though that is pretty usual for any EDGE prospect. If there's one trait that unites the scouts, it's Smith's superb ability to move laterally and drop into coverage, be it against running backs or tight ends. 

There's plenty to like here with Jacob Smith and that coverage ability is something Michigan loves its EDGE prospects to have. He offers a little bit different of a profile than any EDGE they have in the class up to this point, not ultra raw like Elias Rudolph or Devon Baxter given the training he's gotten from his dad/HS/camp circuits, even if there is still a bit of technique work to do with him. He's also not a beefy EDGE destined for Don Brown anchor a la Dominic Nichols. Smith is someone who could be a stand-up EDGE dropping into coverage, or he could even be more of a true OLB.

There's a higher floor here than several players in the EDGE class. And compared to Nichols, the other "high floor" player in the class, the skillset differs. So Smith represents something different. Smith is also probably the most college-ready of any EDGE in this class, so there is a path to early playing time as a result. Still, the EDGE positional group is going to be rather crowded (attrition after this season will determine how crowded) once Smith arrives in the fall of 2024, so I wouldn't anticipate the fastest path to playing time. 

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

At four EDGE prospects, this positional group is probably done. There was discussion about Michigan being willing to take five back when Derian Mayo was on the board, so I think it's possible that if an elite EDGE prospect shakes free at some point over the final four months of the cycle, they would find room. But that's nothing but a hypothetical at this point and Michigan is not recruiting any EDGEs at this time (to my knowledge). That makes sense when you consider that they have several HSP-ish guys who could be EDGEs like Cole Sullivan and Jaden Smith. 

Jacob Smith was Michigan's 25th true scholarship commitment this cycle and 26th if you're counting likely PWO Zach Ludwig. It's a lot! But as we explained on the podcast this week, scholarship limits are fake now in the era of NIL and Michigan loading up like this will be the expectation going forward. I'd expect the class to finish around 30; I think they'd like two more DBs (one has to be a corner) and one more WR. There is still a dream of a 6th OL, but we shall see. After that, it's pretty much best player available to round out the class, seeing which players are gettable in the fall as Michigan presumably is parlaying its on-field success into a recruiting pitch. In terms of upcoming commitment dates to watch, 4.5* CB Aaron Scott makes his long-awaited decision on July 30th and 4* WR Gatlin Bair (functionally a 2026 due to his Mormon mission) makes his decision August 5th. 

THE CLASS AS IT STANDS

OFFENSE
Pos Player State Stars In a nutshell
QB Jadyn Davis NC 4.6⬇⬇ Smooth, accurate field general
RB Jordan Marshall OH 4.5 Accelerates South-North
RB Micah Ka'apana NV 3.7⬆⬆ Well-balanced accelerator
WR I'Marion Stewart IL 3.9 Ronnie slick/quick, #1 WR to M
WR Channing Goodwin NC 3.8 Chain-moving son of Jon
TE Brady Prieskorn MI 4.4 Colston Loveland Midwest
TE Hogan Hansen WA 4.1 Colston Loveland West
LT Andrew Sprague MO 4.2 Basketballin' grow-a-Long
RT Blake Frazier TX 4.2⬆⬆ Athletic son of Steve
RG Luke Hamilton OH 4.0 Midwestern mauler
LG Ben Roebuck OH 3.8⬇⬇ Bigger Midwestern mauler
C Jake Guarnera FL 3.8 Mauler but center
DEFENSE
Pos Player State Stars In a nutshell
DT Manuel Beigel CT 3.5 Lengthy German via Choate
DT Owen Wafle NJ 4.0 Little nose with bite
DT Ted Hammond OH 4.0 Cincy build-a-bear
DT/DE Jerod Smith CT 4.0 Low-pads, high-motor big twin
SDE Dominic Nichols MD 3.8 Mike Morris-ish SDE
WDE Jacob Smith CT 4.0 Tweener edge twin
WDE Devon Baxter MD 3.8⬆⬆ Super long 4-3 grow-an-edge.
OLB Elias Rudolph FL 4.0 Former Ohian OLB type
LB Mason Curtis TN 4.2 Long athlete moving up
LB Jeremiah Beasley MI 4.0 Explosive hitter from Belleville
LB Jaden Smith NC 4.0⬆⬆⬆ Underscouted Uche/WLB
HSP Cole Sullivan PA 3.8 Hybrid LB with crazy athleticism
S Jacob Oden MI 4.1 Tall son of coach

Comments

njvictor

July 21st, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^

I'm genuinely curious at this point see a list of players that Magnus hasn't been a pessimist on. I respect his opinion a lot, but it does feel like he's disliked every player in the last 2 classes

Magnus

July 21st, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^

In general, I have both a pros/cons section in each of my commitment posts and a strengths/weaknesses section in my scouting reports. (Scouting reports are for uncommitted players who have a strong interested in Michigan.) So MGoBlog or any other site can pull from each section at will. 

I have given out several rankings in the 80s, which is defined as the following:

"80-89 = Very good starter in Big Ten; good chance of All-Big Ten; some NFL draft potential"

Devon Baxter is an edge that I gave an 80-89 rating (81, to be exact). There can only be so many successful edge prospects in one class. With 3-4 of them committed, you can probably bet that at least 2 of them will finish their careers elsewhere after being passed/blocked by guys in this class or 2025 and beyond. For example, Taylor Upshaw was a solid player, but David Ojabo (younger), Aidan Hutchinson (same class), Mike Morris (younger), and Jaylen Harrell (younger) all outplayed him, so he ended up at Colorado/Arizona for his final year. 

EGD

July 21st, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^

There can only be so many successful edge prospects in one class. With 3-4 of them committed, you can probably bet that at least 2 of them will finish their careers elsewhere after being passed/blocked by guys in this class or 2025 and beyond.

Interesting. I always interpreted your score as sort of like an EA Sports score--basically as just your stand-alone take on a player's level of talent and promise. But do you factor opportunity/competition into your numerical scores?

Like, say you review a prospect's film and other information and based on talent alone you think "that guy looks like about an 82." That's what I thought you did. But what if then you look at the depth chart and see he'll be competing for snaps with several other players you've rated more highly? That suggest he's less likely to get playing time over those other players--so would you downgrade his score, even though, given the opportunity to play, you think he would achieve the level of success that corresponds to a rating of 82? 

Magnus

July 21st, 2023 at 5:35 PM ^

My rankings take into account how they will develop at Michigan. It’s why I gave Cade McNamara a low grade - because he came in after McCaffrey and Milton. I didn’t think he would stick around long enough to wait his turn since I expected those guys to be good. (Obviously, I was wrong but that just shows an example of how my rankings work.)

Magnus

July 21st, 2023 at 5:33 PM ^

It doesn’t matter which position you choose. Tyler Morris is moving ahead of Cristian Dixon. Kechaun Bennett was passed by Derrick Moore. Tavierre Dunlap was passed by CJ Stokes. German Green has been passed by almost everyone. There are examples all over the roster. 

OldSchoolWolverine

July 22nd, 2023 at 7:53 PM ^

He gave Cade a low score, I think it was 65, and I was shocked by it at the time. This one I knew was wrong at the time because Cades intangibles couldn't be measured.

But, Magnus seems quite impartial and that's a hard trait to have as a fan, and it's important to call it as he sees it without hopeful bias.

EGD

July 21st, 2023 at 2:09 PM ^

Some people were worried about not being able to recruit enough quality prospects at CB. Little did they know about the ingenious plan to recruit EDGE prospects who can also play CB.

1997 National …

July 21st, 2023 at 11:37 PM ^

Given the fact there’s 4 EDGE prospects in the ‘24 class, I’d wager Stewart, McGregor, Harrell, and 1 other depth piece are leaving. Was hoping McGregor and Stewart stayed through ‘24… 

Magnus

July 22nd, 2023 at 6:43 AM ^

I don't think anyone really knows at this point which of those guys is leaving, if any. McGregor in particular hasn't really done anything on the field and wasn't even really fully healthy the past few years. Harrell hasn't done anything worth being drafted - at least not highly - and Stewart is a complete unknown at the Big Ten level.