Hello: Dominick Giudice
Michigan's 2021 defensive class finally has its first commitment in three-star DE/DT Dom Giudice (Jih-DEESE) of New Jersey, who made his pledge to the Wolverines Tuesday night, after receiving an offer earlier in the day($). With only a few hours to adjust to the news, the sites universally still have Giudice deep in Michigan State recruit range. He's currently the #54 WDE, outside the top-1000 on the composite, and had a spattering of nerd school and MAC offers before Michigan extended one.
He also hadn't spoken with recruiting sites or been on any radars other than those of people who compile lists of New Jersey up-and-comers. He gave virtually the same exact interview to Rivals' EJ Holland, 24/7's Brian Dohn, and MLive's Ryan Zuke after it. All three included an important clarification about what Michigan sees. Since I used Dohn's in the stub here's Holland's, which also worked in an associative quote:
“They basically like me as an anchor strong-side defensive end or a three-technique,” Giudice said. “I’ll play whatever. I feel like my biggest strengths are my motor and relentlessness. I never give up on a play. I use my hands well. I have hand violence and speed. I’m aggressive. I just want to smash somebody in the mouth on every play.”
The speed is the quick-burst variety. The hands could destroy a beater car in less than 20 seconds:
— Dominick Giudice (@dom_giudice27) March 16, 2020
…which we'll file under "Purest Harbaugh Bait."
He also plays right tackle for Mater Dei. The dueling interviews detailed Giudice's recruitment, which unsurprisingly went through a recent speedbump. Dohn:
Former Wolverines assistant coach Anthony Campanile recruited Giudice during the early part of the winter. When Campanile left for the Miami Dolphins, though, the contact with Michigan subsided for a bit until defensive line coach Shaun Nua got in touch with him.
“Coach Nua told me last week that he really liked my film and that he was going to get back to me and just be able to have conversations with me,” Giudice said. “I guess he showed (defensive coordinator) coach (Don) Brown and coach Harbaugh my film and then today we were on a group FaceTime call when they offered me.
Giudice mentions hard-nosed football, and a Michigan fandom dating back to when he was five.*
Dom recently self-reported a weight of 259 on his 6'4" frame, which means he's likely to be in the vicinity of 290 by the time he sees the field. So who knows? The tape shows a guy who's already a high school version Aidan Hutchinson who will play inside sometimes on passing downs. The numbers are in the legendary range of high school Chris Hutchinson And the recruiting rankings are as nondescript as a who-dat Nowheresville three-star from back when we still needed Tom Lemming's opinions on prospects.
GURU RATINGS
Rivals | ESPN | 247 | 247 Comp |
2*, 5.4, NR SDE, Not ranked |
3*, No rating | 3*, 80, #67 WDE, #40 NJ |
3*, 0.8054, #54 WDE, #38 FL, #1146 Ovr |
For what it's worth Giudice would be the composite's #64 strongside end, one spot below Cass Tech's Clarence Wilson, and one above the rarest creature in modern football recruiting:
A two-star! They exist!
* [So like, Henne/Hart.]
[Hit THE JUMP for scouting, video, and the rest.]
SCOUTING
Most of what I could find is from the quotes he gave himself, and already represented above the jump. Here's the Dohn version:
“I always pride myself in my motor and that I am relentless on the field,” Giudice said. “I am always chasing the ball. No matter what happens, I am always chasing the ball. I like my violence and intensity on the field is also something I show. I always want to smash somebody in the mouth, like I was saying before.
Dohn added his own analysis which Allen Trieu relayed via the Detroit News:
“He’s a really smart kid and he has a great motor,” .... “He’s going to work his tail off. He has the frame to offer position flexibility. He can play defensive end. If you want to put another 30 to 40 pounds on him, he can move inside and has the mentality inside to clean up blocks and let the backers make tackles.”
Tom Lemming(!) is still bouncing around out there and reported on Giudice last fall:
Runs a 4.8 40 is relentless with a high motor. Shows quick hands and feet. Perfect 4.0 GPA.
That's all folks.
UPDATE: Touch the Banner watched the film and came away with a Michigan player comp that most of us have probably forgotten:
Giudice made a lot of plays as a junior, including some high-motor plays. He has a good hand strike and can defeat pass protection with hand work adequately.
On the negative side, Giudice lacks the explosiveness one would expect from a next-level edge player. He reminds me of a very good local player who went on to an excellent college career... in the Ivy League. ... He lacks a second gear and does not change direction very well on a consistent basis unless he uses really good technique.
OFFERS
A lot of academics and some mid-majors: Temple, Buffalo, Ball State, and CMU plus the service academies, who all came in together a month ago. Most of the Ivy League (Harvard, Penn, Yale, Cornell, Columbia and Princeton) offered too. Wisconsin and Rutgers were poking around. UMass, where Dominick's father Anthony Giudice was a captain in the 1980s, seemed to be after Dominick the hardest. Dad was a decade before Don Brown.
HIGH SCHOOL
Mater Dei Prep is a Catholic school in Middletown (near Sandy Hook), and a new-blood in New Jersey's second-tier Catholic league, the NP3. The school nearly shut down for good in 2014-'15 but a funding drive saved them. Part of the comeback plan was to use football to put themselves on the map, committing resources and participating in recruiting practices common in the New Jersey Catholic leagues. It's working: Mater Dei moved up to a higher division in 2018 and reached the state championship both years. Last year the Seraphs lost in a heartbreaker to DePaul Catholic (Kareem Walker, Mike Dwumfour) after twice failing to score from the 2-yard line. Giudice had three sacks.
A big part of that was recruiting head coach Dino Mangiero, a former NFL defensive lineman who was the high school coach of Brian Flores at Poly Prep in Brooklyn. Mater Dei has produced six three-stars, all since 2017, including 2020 Notre Dame cornerback signee Clarence Lewis, and a 2019 hybrid space player named Shitta Sillah who's now at Boston College. Teammate Rakim Cooper is a 6'2/280 defensive tackle prospect ranked 769th overall (44th DT) in the composite.
It's a good bet Mangiero's program will have a lot more Power 5 prospects as time goes on.
STATS
His Hudl page reports some ludicrous numbers: 24 sacks, 43 TFLs. Another site that was counting halves has that at 17.5. Either way this is many.
FAKE 40 TIME
No 40 time, which gets one FAKE because surely he's run a 40 before. Here's a great and powerful probably plays hockey on top of the Quick Stop mullet instead:
VIDEO
Junior highlights.
Many sacks:
(second half is on offense)
Sophomore highlights, freshman highlights, and single-game reels can be found on his Hudl page.
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Giudice looks like a college strongside end right now, and is extremely advanced for a prospect not in top-tier league. That comes from having a football dad and direct coaching from from a former pro lineman with a good track record. Giudice is also doing a lot of that on his own; what little is out there about him makes it clear this dude is 100% a Harbaugh kind of guy.
He's also a Don Brown kinda guy. The sack numbers are nuts but I believe they're mostly indicative of the competition level and a strong group of teammates. What stands out on the tape is his technique and how he plays through traffic. His bend is just okay, more on the Ryan Van Bergen end of the spectrum than Chase Winovich. RVB's also a good comp because you never see Giudice falling down. He plays with a great base, stays in control, changes direction extremely well because of it, and accelerates well upfield. The result is a guy you'd watch over tight ends, but not out in space trying to do linebacker things. Here's a quick history of non-blue chip Michigan defensive end recruits who arrived over 240:
Player | Stars | Years | Ht | Wt (as Fr) | Wt (Lst Yr) | Career |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Glen Steele | 3.80 | 1993-'97 | 6'5 | 245 | 264 | All-American DT-ish end for national championship team, played six years in the NFL |
Chris Wormley | 4.28 | 2012-'16 | 6'6 | 250 | 303 | 29 starts, best SDE of the decade |
Ryan Van Bergen | 4.20 | 2007-'11 | 6'6 | 260 | 288 | 38 starts as steady, just sub-star DE with moonlights at DT |
Dan Rumishek | 4.16 | 1998-'02 | 6'3 | 240 | 277 | 31 starts as a solid all-conference SDE type |
Jibreel Black | 3.95 | 2010-'13 | 6'2 | 253 | 278 | 16 starts between end and emergency DT |
Carlo Kemp | 3.95 | 2016-pres | 6'3 | 255 | 286 | Smallish nose, has 24 starts at 3T and NT going into final season |
Matt Godin | 3.90 | 2012-'16 | 6'6 | 265 | 288 | Long-developing inside technician, allowed Hurst to anchor a 2nd unit |
Rondell Biggs | 3.27 | 2002-'06 | 6'3 | 265 | 278 | Decent rotation SDE during good times |
Lo Marshall | 4.25 | 2014-'18 | 6'4 | 242 | 285 | Serviceable backup DT as 5th yr senior |
Patrick Kratus | 4.00 | 1995-'99 | 6'3 | 248 | 265 | Thick, academic special teamer, now a highly successful investment banker |
Greg Banks | 3.47 | 2006-'10 | 6'4 | 260 | 285 | Bad DE in a 3-3-5 during bad times |
John Ferrara | 3.27 | 2006-'10 | 6'4 | 268 | 286 | Started one game at DE, 5 starts at OG after emergency position switch |
Jordan Paskorz | 3.64 | 2010-13 | 6'3 | 244 | 255 | Career backup, functional as a down-roster blocking TE, no 5th yr |
Kenny Wilkins | 3.78 | 2011-'15 | 6'3 | 244 | 294 | Career backup DT, firm handshaked |
Ron Johnson | 4.05 | 2016-'18 | 6'4 | 240 | 267 | Tried DT but didn't take, backup transferred to Rutgers |
Michael Morris | 3.89 | 2019-pres | 6'6 | 260 | 262 | redshirted last year |
Tom Strobel | 4.16 | 2012-'16 | 6'6 | 240 | 282 | Bad backup forced onto field as a DT |
Anthony LaLota | 4.27 | 2009-'13 | 6'4 | 260 | 256 | Couldn't gain weight, career backup |
Chris Rock | 3.60 | 2011 | 6'5 | 245 | 267 | DNP, transferred and walked on at the Corporation for Pure Evil |
While it may seem like Don Brown would take anything that looks like an Anchor, my guess is Giudice is ultimately ticketed for three-tech, where his solid base and E. Honda hands could translate to maximum disruptiveness without exposing him to the kinds of athletes out on the edges these days. If Michigan moves to a three-down line Giudice is a natural fit for 3-4 defensive end. He's probably too long to be a nose tackle, especially right away, but Ryan Glasgow-like 1-tech is a possibility down the line. Upside will be how far down the line he can play.
He should have some time to figure it out. Kwity Paye will graduate and Aidan Hutchinson will have an NFL decision to make at the end of 2020, but Don Brown has recruited a lot of Anchor prospects over the last few classes and there remains a lot we don't know about where they'll all end up. By the time Giudice is on hand, Julius Welschof and Taylor Upshaw will be redshirt juniors, Michael Morris, David Ojabo and Gabe Newburg will be redshirt sophomores, and Braiden McGregor, Aaron Lewis and Kris Jenkins will have a year on campus. Presumably by then these guys will all be filed into their proper defensive line bins and Giudice will be in the conversation for the wave after them.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
It now has a defensive player in it, albeit a versatile one. The last few classes have been stocking depth but impact players, especially at DT and CB, are still very much needed (and in high demand). A program-shattering scandal at Ohio State wouldn't be remiss right now either. Here's the class as it currently stands:
March 27th, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^
Shitta Sillah?! That's a real name?
March 27th, 2020 at 10:58 AM ^
someone needs to create a gif of Dom battling Danny Hope on the sideline
March 27th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
Here's my take on Giudice if anyone is interested (LINK).
March 27th, 2020 at 11:04 AM ^
I'm interested. Thanks Magnus.
March 27th, 2020 at 12:20 PM ^
Thanks. I didn't see it when I was writing this up.
March 27th, 2020 at 12:52 PM ^
No problem. I appreciate being able to link it in the comments.
March 27th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^
Always interested in your take.
March 27th, 2020 at 11:33 AM ^
You don’t list a 40 time but the Tom Lemming quote above says he ran a 4.8 40. If he can maintain that and put on weight, that would be excellent. I can see him rising in the rankings with Michigans spotlight on him and end in the mid to upper 3 star range. Definitely a development prospect but with some upside as a DT.
March 27th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
Yeah that was too fake to be fake.
6 fakes out of 5 for that 40 time. That would be an absolutely stellar time for somebody projected to play on the interior D-line. I'll be quite happy if he can get his actual 40 time down to 4.8 by the time he's a senior at Michigan.
March 27th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^
The E. Honda reference is fantastic. Bravo.
March 27th, 2020 at 12:43 PM ^
Two points:
"I have violent hands and speed" is an awesome quote. I hope he's success full just so that goes down in history.
Just an observation, we are certainly at the depths of our despair when our hello posts conclude with a plea for a "program-shattering scandal at Ohio State". Sad but true.
He's Freddie Handwork.
I hope it works out but I just don't get the need for this offer at this point in the process. Nothing about this guy screams coming for a break out. He will get a bump up just by being a Michigan commit but he's never going to get in the top 150
It's puzzling that Harbaugh would offer this type of kid so dang early in the process. With so much time and available people, it's like the coaching staff just wanted to get this done and over with it. If by the end of the season you're unable to snag the top talent on the board, then you go out and use that snake-oil.
This is a crucial year for Michigan recruiting. This does not tip the scale towards elite.
March 28th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^
But he may get into the top 1000 with his Michigan bump. Hard to believe we pried him away from the Buckeyes.
Why would we accept a commitment from this kid ? Am I just blinded by my Michigan fandom to expect we recruit top 10 and maybe even top 5 ? We can get a kid like this on signing day if we need it.
You might be right.
Our staff has been relatively active in making sure commits continue to "earn their offer" throughout their senior years.
Given that this year's recruiting will be unique and we need DL badly, I'm OK with it. You know if we didn't he'd get an offer from Wisconsin, commit, develop relationships, not flip to us on signing day and crush us on the field.
I'm not an expert but one thing I've learned is never count out someone with lower ratings who takes pride in working hard. Sometimes they're maxed out already (e.g., Kurt Taylor, Freddie Footwork, Tom Strobel), other times you get Ronnie Bell, Jordan Glasgow, Chase Winovich, Josh Metellus, un-injured Drake Johnson, or Tru.
What exactly is “kid like this”? Sounds like scouts really haven’t been able to evaluate him. Meaning I’ll definitely trust the coaching evaluation over recruiting rankings. Sounds like he’s productive, versatile, and the coaches liked him enough to offer. Good enough for me.
It is a bit confusing to take a kid like this so early. Happy that he is living his dream. Pumped to see a young man get to a dream school and want to work hard. That really is a cool thing for this gentleman.
As a fan that wants to see the program get back to beating OSU and competing for potential NC's, I am not big on taking recruits ranked as such. Is there a chance that Michigan knows information that literally no other Power 5 school knows about regarding this recruit? Maybe...but highly unlikely. Is there a chance this 3 Star could end up being an All Big 10 player? Sure...but I would wager the farm it doesn't happen.
But, Harbaugh seems to take 2-4 kids a recruiting cycle that are high character, less than elite athletically, and hope for the best.
If the coaches are projecting him to a different position (3 tech) than the one he's being ranked then the rankings are not really all that relevant. He is truly a 'trust the coaches...(who are paid loads and will not be around very long if they consistently screw up recruiting and player development) recruit.
So, is Michigan literally the only Power 5 school that thought about using this kid as a 3 tech!? If the kid has explosive or elite athleticism (which even Magnus admits the kid does not have and is a head scratcher) other schools would be after him too thinking about utilizing him at other positions.
This kid seems like a Ben Mason type of recruit. A decent athlete. Nothing special or elite athletically. Gonna work his butt off. Give everything he has. A young man you would love your daughter to marry, but not a kid that is gonna help you win games you haven't been able to win for the last 5 years.
Brown finds gems in the Northeast. Hasn't whiffed yet, so expect the best.
Yeah, Jonny?
That "trust the coaches" line is getting as worn out as Brandon Watson was in Cbus!
I'm more like praying "Guidice is Italian for Glasgow" than I am "trusting the coaches"!
And I feel really bad about that...
Yeah, Jonny?
I got a GD double post!
And I feel really bad about that...
Hope he can prove the doubters wrong.
Now tell us more about Shitta Sillah.
Imagine being a low 3 star recruit and lifelong Michigan fan, and having coach Harbaugh call you up and offer you. Must be one of the best feelings in the world.
It’s exceedingly rare for my wife’s Bravo TV obsession to intersect with any of my own, so I’ll ask the question I’m sure plenty of other MGoReaders have: Do we know if he is related to the RHONJ Giudices?
Are you sure it's not Joo-dee-say?
As for Shitta Silla's pronunciation, I got nothing
This commit reinforces the difference between us and OSU. They wouldn’t be even remotely interested in this kid. They aren’t interested in low rated “hard working grinders with a motor”. Nothing against this kid. I like guys with his intensity and effort. I really do. But we get a commitment from this kid, the very next day OSU gets a 5 star #1 ranked running back in the county. The talent gap continues to widen.
March 29th, 2020 at 12:35 PM ^
Don't get this at all. I'm not sure why Michigan would accept this commitment so early, unless they feel they have no shot at better players. If Rutgers didn't even offer a NJ Catholic school kid, I don't see why Michigan would.
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