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Hello: Casey Phinney Comment Count

Ace April 7th, 2020 at 11:54 AM

The third and final commitment in Michigan's mini-run last week was Marshfield (MA) Noble & Greenough School linebacker Casey Phinney. As you may have guessed given the position and location, Phinney is a Don Brown recruit. He'll come in as an inside linebacker with some positional versatility, according to his high school coach:

Phinney is heading to Michigan to play inside linebacker, but he also has fullback/h-back skills.

“He’s very versatile,” Voulgaris said. “He can certainly do that (play on offense). My sense is once he gets there, they will fit him in where it is appropriate, but it is as a linebacker to get things started.”

Phinney is a virtual unknown to the recruiting services. He's using that as motivation:

Thanking the haters is a power move.

Phinney is the seventh commit in Michigan's 2021 class, which currently ranks 14th at this relatively early stage in the cycle. He's the only linebacker in the class for the time being.

GURU RATINGS

Rivals ESPN 247 247 Comp
3*, 5.5, NR ILB,
#7 MA
NR ILB 3*, 84, #37 ILB,
#11 MA
3*, 0.8366, #40 ILB,
#9 MA, #1002 Ovr

Phinney's junior film didn't go public until mere hours before his commitment, so take these rankings—or lack thereof—with a grain of salt. Rivals and 247 at least had rankings and profiles up for Phinney before last week; the same cannot be said for ESPN, surprise surprise.

As a result, Phinney would've been merely a middle-of-the-pack recruit in Michigan State's 2020 class. In related news, he'd be the Spartans's top commit for 2021. We'll see if there's any upward movement when the sites do their next re-rank and evaluators have more of a chance to go over his tape.

Phinney is listed at 6'1" and in the 225-230 pound range by all three sites. He's already got most of the size you want in a modern inside linebacker.

[Hit THE JUMP for scouting, video, and the rest.]

SCOUTING

Since every recruiting site scouting report is based off of Phinney's junior film instead of live evaluations, let's start with the (admittedly sunny) point of view of his high school coach:

“He is an excellent blitzer,” he said. “He is the type of kid, when they are facing those run-heavy teams in the Big Ten, he can smash fullbacks, he can take on guards, he can plug holes so he is very much a downhill player.

“He is smooth in his drops into a zone as well. He has shown some sideline-to-sideline ability as well.”

The part about Phinney's blitzing, run defense, and physicality is echoed in other evaluations. The pass coverage and athleticism, on the other hand, come into question, in large part because they're simply not on display in his junior tape, which only features a couple snaps of him in coverage.

247's Brian Dohn highlights this disparity. There's the good...

He is able to stack and shed, he is quick with his hands and he knows how to keep the offensive lineman from getting hands on him. He picks out gaps to hit and he is a sure tackler.

...and the looming questions:

The questions with Phinney revolve around his speed and his explosion. Can he get to the sideline in college, especially against some of the perimeter speed teams in the Big Ten, and does he have the closing speed to shoot gaps and get to the ball carrier?

On tape, he is very good in the box but his top end speed does not show on tape. Nor does his ability to burst and cover five yards in a blur to make a play.

Maize N Brew's Jonathon Simmons broke down Phinney's tape with some GIFs, the first of which highlights Phinney's solid instincts:

This next play displays Phinney’s quickness to read and react to a play really well. Not fooled by the fake jet sweep, Phinney instead reads the tight end and wingback pulling across the formation in the direction of the run. From there, he explodes into the backfield and makes the tackle behind the line.

At WolverineDigest, Shawn Crable(!) got into the nitty gritty of where Phinney fits in the defense:

At MIKE linebacker, I worry about his arm length when it comes to taller, bigger guards coming at him. I would suggest placing him at SAM linebacker to the strong side as an overhang, tight 9-technique over the tight end. You could also have him as a loose 5-technique to the open side. I also worry a bit about him covering running backs out of the backfield. His highlights really don't show him in coverage all that much.

I can see why Michigan would be after him. His style of play is aggressive and appealing to a pressuring, blitzing coach like Don Brown.

That puts him in the Noah Furbush role, which makes sense given his skill set and how much he could fill out—Crable thinks he can get up to 250-260 pounds as a sophomore.

Multiple scouting reports mention that if Phinney can't stick at linebacker, fullback and H-back should be additional options. His size/athleticism combination projects well to those spots and he shows some skill on tape as a running back.

OFFERS

Phinney holds offers from Army, Georgetown, Harvard, UMass, Penn, Princeton, and Yale. Academics shouldn't be a concern. Boston College showed interest but hadn't offered before he committed.

HIGH SCHOOL

Noble & Greenough School has only produced one Division I player in the Rivals era (2002-present), three-star 2020 Wisconsin tight end signee Cam Large, whose ranking belied an impressive offer sheet that included Alabama, Georgia, Iowa (tight end, remember), LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and many others.

That gave Michigan a chance to look at Phinney. They also have an eye on Phinney's 2021 teammate, guard Drew Kendall, who's in the top 100 on both 247 and Rivals. Kendall also knows recent tight end commit Louis Hansen and he's taken note of Michigan's efforts in Massachusetts, per TMI's Brice Marich:

“It does make me more interested in Michigan. I mean I have a good relationship with Louis. He lives right down the road from my school and obviously I have a great relationship with Casey. I would say, yeah it does make me more interested. Getting to know Coach Warinner and Coach Harbaugh a little bit better during this time will be important to me.”

Michigan is one of two big offers out to Kendall along with Penn State, and of those two he seems to have more interest in the Wolverines; he's also showing strong interest in Boston College (which has all three of his early Crystal Ball picks), Duke, and Virginia.

STATS

MaxPreps only has seven games of sophomore stats: 45 tackles (16 solo) and six TFLs.

FAKE 40 TIME

None listed. Based on his running back highlights, he's not a sideline-to-sideline burner, though I think he's got decent short-area burst that's accentuated by his good timing on blitzes.

VIDEO

Junior highlights:

Sophomore highlights and single-game reels can be found on his Hudl page.

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Phinney should start out his Michigan career as an inside linebacker to see if he can hack it as a three-down player; without more film, I have no idea how this will work out, but you want to at least see if your prospect can play at a full-time position before moving to more niche spots.

That said, Phinney could be a useful niche player. He's well-suited to the Furbush role if Don Brown wants to break out that style of 3-3-5 again; in that defense, the SAM often functions as an extra defensive lineman, and their job is to take on blocks—making plays in the backfield is a bonus. If defense doesn't work out, Phinney could move to the other side of the ball as a fullback or H-back, the latter probably being a more prominent place in Josh Gattis's offense.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Michigan class stands at seven prospects and ranks 14th nationally (albeit only sixth in the Big Ten) after the three-commit week. They're still going after linebackers in the class; Belleville four-star Jamari Budden is a top target and Brice Marich reports Michigan is pushing for WA four-star Josh McCarron.

Phinney's commitment could very well help Michigan land Kendall, who'd fortify what's turning into an excellent offensive line class. Here's the full class as it currently stands:

Comments

Gentleman Squirrels

April 7th, 2020 at 12:28 PM ^

What’s the difference between a fullback and H back?

Also if he grows a bit and does get up to 250-260, maybe they’ll try him out at DE. Not sure if he has the explosiveness for that though.

Dazn5

April 7th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^

Nah, the reason we have JJ McCarthy is because ND and OSU passed on him. Besides, our head coach who played QB in the NFL for 15 years should be a much larger draw than any assistant. But name me one other prospect you've heard mention McDaniels recruiting him? He's dead weight. Shoop is dead weight. Zordich is a great guy but a horrible recruiter and not a grinder. Magee and Dudek are unorganized bozos who couldn't hold Mark Pantoni's jock strap. And worst of all our head coach is what Wiltfong calls "a closer and not a 9 inning guy" when in today's college football that doesn't fly. 

njvictor

April 7th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^

You can't complain about not getting more top 100 guys, but then simultaneously complain about having the #2 pro style QB and #13 player in the country. If he isn't good enough for you then, you really have a screw loose. You really lose your persuasiveness when you aren't even satisfied with JJ freakin McCarthy

Dazn5

April 7th, 2020 at 1:20 PM ^

That's not what I'm doing. I'm pointing out a huge reason why we have JJ McCarthy is because OSU and ND passed on him not because of Ben McDaniels. I never said or implied anything about him not being good enough. In fact I'm thrilled they passed on him and he ended up here. So please don't put words in my mouth and try reading before posting next time. 

Hotroute06

April 7th, 2020 at 11:47 PM ^

Theirs no guarantee JJ McCarthy will match the hype once he gets on the field..

 

I'll be hoping he does and he becomes special...     but have Michigan fans still not learned that high school rankings dont guarantee anything?  

True Blue Grit

April 7th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^

Sadly, you're right about most of what you say.  Michigan is NOT going to beat OSU on any regular basis signing so many unranked and low ranked 3 star players.  OSU is going to continue running up and down the field on us because they'll be much faster at almost every position.   The experts have been trying to tell us this in no uncertain terms that Michigan is consistently getting outworked on the recruiting trail.  You have to put this on the head coach, as we know damned well, he has much resources to put into it as any program out there.  

njvictor

April 7th, 2020 at 1:00 PM ^

Phinney would be a good LB prospect if it was 30-40 years ago, but he lacks the side line to side line speed and coverage skills that you need today.

He's coming in as a linebacker as much as Ben Mason came in as a linebacker

You can't honestly tell me this guy is coming in as a linebacker when out starters next year are gonna be Josh Ross and Cam McGrone

Dazn5

April 7th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^

Linebacker recruiting has been a train wreck the last few years.

Charles Thomas 3 star #507 overall

Joey Velazquez 3 star NR

Nikhai Hill Green 3 star #390 overall

Will Mohan 3 star #459 overall

Cornell Wheeler 3 star #462 overall

Osman Savage 4 star #299 overall

Kalel Mullings 4 star #151 overall

Casey Phinney 3 star NR

So we've signed one top 247 linebacker recruit in the last three years. And the best part is these are the guys that will be playing behind our nonexistent DT's in a few years. What could go wrong. 

BlueWolverine02

April 7th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^

Agreed, this is an old school throwback type LB.  He's film actually looks really good for what he is asked to do, problem is in modern defenses he will be asked to do more than that.  It's not really a big deal to take flyers on a guy like this, it is a big deal if all your recruits are guys like this.

ERdocLSA2004

April 7th, 2020 at 3:19 PM ^

I love the kids attitude, drive, and willingness to shut up the critics.  I hope he does just that.

There is definite concern when experts writing your recruiting profile already make comments that if it doesn’t work out at LB then we can put him at FB though.

Maybe this is strategy by the coaching staff to get in on his higher ranked teammates.

Lakeyale13

April 7th, 2020 at 4:38 PM ^

That would be an awesome strategy if we actually go their higher ranked teammates.  Unfortunately, we aren't and we are landing kids that Boston College (an in state school) didn't even offer.  These players are great for special teams, but talent of this sort gets your team blown out by historic levels.

bfeeavveerr

April 7th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^

Dazn5 is the truth on this board. Many on here may not like what he says but if he gets what he is asking for,Michigan football is elite and playing for championships.

Dazn5

April 7th, 2020 at 1:26 PM ^

You'd think after 15 years of ass kicking to OSU people would be fed up with it an demand change and accountability but instead Harbaugh gets to make 8 million a year, lose to his rivals, and then have the UM internet mafia make excuses for him.

I want Jim to win here because he's a former player and I think he has a celebrity about him that few in sports have. The problem is he's not recruiting well enough to do so. Two out of the last three years we haven't even signed a top 100 recruit. I mean come the fuck on. This is really the best we/he can do? I think there is dead weight on his staff. I think he needs to find a Mark Pantoni type to run his recruiting department. I think he needs to insert himself into the recruitment of every big time target we have and then be relentless. There should be a CRM database to monitor every recruit that tracks every interview with a recruiting site and noteworthy social media activity, how many times they are getting called and texts from coaches on staff, track times, notes on their conversations, dates of visits, regular recruiting meetings, etc. Instead Wiltfong said UM does none of that.

I'm sick of being OSU's bitch. I'm sick of watching our coaches settle on the recruiting trail for low hanging fruit then getting sold a load of shit about how their evaluations are so god damn special and then every November they get plowed by OSU by 30 points, Stars matter Jim. The sooner you figure that out the better for everyone. 

Don

April 7th, 2020 at 2:04 PM ^

"people would be fed up with it an demand change and accountability"

Please describe the process wherein "people" demand "change" and "accountability" will lead to Harbaugh changing.

• Who are "the people?" Those of us on MGoBlog? Random fans on 247? Major athletic department donors?

• How, exactly, do "the people" express their "demands?" Marching in the streets? Signing petitions? Barricading themselves '60s-style in the President's office? Having a "die-in" on the Diag? Not buying season tickets?

• Do you believe your mind-numbingly repetitive posts about Harbaugh's recruiting failures has any effect on MGoBlog? On Warde Manuel?

Dazn5

April 7th, 2020 at 2:28 PM ^

Do you or anyone else believe bitching about my posts is going to make them any less true? The message board drones of this fan base are by and large a bunch of idiots who probably tuck themselves in at night wearing Michigan pajamas and will defend any and everything the coach does. Happened under Rich Rod (remember when we needed smaller OL and WR and DL for his system on O and the 3-3-5 on D? LOL), Hoke, and Brandon. Given that mgoblog got Brandon fired I'm hoping the tenor of the board carries some weight. Otherwise what incentive does Manuel or Harbaugh have to make changes? I just want to know how many more L's to OSU is acceptable before people hop on board with my point of view regarding recruiting. 5? 10? 15? We are a fucking joke and the first step in solving a problem is admitting there is one. After 15 years there is still a large percentage of people who post here who can't. 

jwfsouthpaw

April 7th, 2020 at 2:42 PM ^

Let it be known that "Dazn5" genuinely seems to believe that "the tenor of the [Mgoblog] board" will carry the day and convince Jim Harbaugh to simply decide to recruit better players and Warde Manuel to see the proverbial light. Ok, cool.

Hint: Pretty much everyone knows there is a talent gap. The results on the field and on draft day speak for themselves. Pretty much everyone understands the talent gap has existed for quite some time, give or take a year or two here and there. Literally nobody is arguing that Michigan's recruiting is on par with OSU's right now. It's not.

You are obnoxiously arguing a point that: (1) you have made countless times already, and (2) nobody is seriously challenging. Better recruits tend to be better players on the whole. And you do it disingenuously, failing to include, for example, Michigan's star middle linebacker when citing shortcomings of recent LB recruiting.

jwfsouthpaw

April 7th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^

Ha! The last 3 recruiting classes (i.e., players that are ACTUALLY on the team) are the 2018, 2019, and 2020 classes. Only people trying to twist facts into their twisted narrative would count 2021 players who are in the current cycle and who haven't even signed as one of the "last three years."

buddha

April 7th, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^

What's the point of this comment? You can disagree with the guy's post, but there's no reason to throw these types of flaming comments out there. If you feel the need to suggest violence on a fellow poster because you may not like his assessment of our recruiting activities, take a step away from the keyboard. 

jwfsouthpaw

April 7th, 2020 at 3:24 PM ^

Actually, I really love this idea. Let's play it out in the real world:

Employee: We need to confront the current harsh reality of our business.

CEO: What do you mean?

Employee: I mean our sales the past 3 years.

CEO: But we've had record sales!

Employee: Yes, 2018 and 2019 were record years. It's just that we're down 92% in the last year--2020. We need to take decisive action to save our business!

CEO: It's January.

 

buddha

April 7th, 2020 at 5:26 PM ^

I like this game. I think I'll play.

Employee: Indeed boss. You're on the money. The past few years, we have returned to achieving success from yesteryear and are poised for market stabilization after the investments we made a few years ago.

CEO: That seems great. Our strategy has paid off.

Employee: In aggregate, you might be right. We have found that our closing rate since shifting corporate strategy has risen up to ~73%, from a near historic low. We have definitely positioned ourselves to "win" against lesser competitors with sub-par offerings; however, our closing rate against competitors in the mid-markets and large-market is not as successful as we initially projected. 

CEO: Tell me more.

Employee: As noted, we have an impressive close rate against competitors with either sub-optimal solutions or lower quality capabilities. In a few years, we have successfully stopped the bleeding from these small accounts and our retention is high. However, part of the business case for the new corporate strategy we adopted several years ago hinged on establishing permanent strongholds - with strong year over year retention - across key markets in the MidWest. In addition, we also projected an incremental but material improvement in our close rate against large accounts across - specifically - in Ohio.

CEO: What does the data tell us?

Employee: Our initial business case estimated a close-rate of nearly 75% in key, non-Ohio markets of the Midwest. However, we've had mixed results here in Michigan as well as in Indiana, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and a few other southern states (although, that appears to be seasonal). To date, our actual close rate has been hovering around ~50% with annual dips and surges in performance. 

CEO: Hmmm...we used to dominate those market. I thought our strategy would be paying dividends in those locations by this point. What's going on in the large-account sector though?

Employee: Well sir, it's not good. There was some initial promise; and, frankly, a few years back we suspected possible tampering in the sales process with one account in particular. However, since then, the trend has been alarming. Our performance has not only resulted in no closings but we've also been humiliated. The entrenched competitors in Ohio have simply been better prepared than we have been, and it's shown in our performance. Nevertheless, the initial business case for this new corporate strategy centered on winning at least one large account every few years. The cash flow from that could offset some of the losses in our other Midwest markets. However, the combination of a ~50% performance in sub-markets and the lack of any large accounts in recent memory has significantly jeopardized our overall market position...both today and going forward

CEO: Well...what are we doing to reverse course and re-position us along the projected long-range financial plan?

Employee: Our efforts have been many but few appear to be working. We've offered some of the old guard early retirement and brought in new leaders with diverse experiences and solid backgrounds. We've upgraded our infrastructure and expanded our communications capabilities. However, overall human capital management seems to be declining, as we are no longer recognized as one of the top places of employment. Moreover, the brand equity of our organization, given recent performances, has also been somewhat eroded. As such, while we may have some positives working for us and a strong base, we may also have a challenging "people" problem that now seems endemic to the organization.

CEO: How do we turn this around?

Employee: That's your job to figure out...

 

jwfsouthpaw

April 7th, 2020 at 6:12 PM ^

The only point in my (simple) exchange is that the current 2021 recruiting cycle is not one of the "last 3 classes." That's a nonsensical attempt to make the recruiting "data" look as bad as possible. It's 8 months from the early signing period.

If your point is that Michigan hasn't reached the peak that most expected under Harbaugh, and is now treading water in-conference and maybe even losing ground, ok. I'm not disputing that. And I'm not really sure that anyone is.

buddha

April 7th, 2020 at 6:47 PM ^

You're right. The 2021 recruiting class is obviously not done. And the previous recruiting classes have technically been some of the best.

My point in my (simple) exchange is that the talent being pulled has a causitive relationship with our overall performance. Frankly, it doesn't really matter if we have had "record" classes, as the only thing that matters is our relative talent compared to that of our peers. That's what generates the on-field results.

I don't echo the tone of Dazn or Maizen or whomever the poster happens to be, but the underlying thesis is pretty accurate: We need better talent to beat our rival, OSU. That's not a shocking revelation. What is shocking, though, is that with the massive infrastructure we have, the world-class brand, the legacy of excellence, etc., we are not getting it done. We seemingly have major advantages over many schools, yet we aren't leveraging that asset base to lock in more talented classes. 

Indeed, 2021 may turn out to the best class we've ever had yet, but it is currently producing a few surprising eye raises while our chief rival is locking up top-100 elites. It's concerning.

jwfsouthpaw

April 7th, 2020 at 7:12 PM ^

Agreed that the issue with Maizen is not the thesis itself but the delivery and condescension that comes with it. We all know the score. We all know that OSU's recruiting is on a different planet than Michigan's right now and that Michigan needs elite talent to consistently compete at that level.

We just don't need to be beaten over the head with it at every turn as though this is a breakthrough insight that nobody else can comprehend. And it doesn't help to cherry-pick data to make the situation look worse than it really is.

 

JonnyHintz

April 7th, 2020 at 6:49 PM ^

So why exactly do you believe it’s just a failure in the recruiting department by the staff?
 

At the end of the day, we’re a program that hasn’t won a conference title since 2004 and a large portion of these kids lives were spent with Rich Rod and Hoke as Michigan’s coaches. Oh, not to mention the fact that your expectations are for Michigan to recruit on the same level as teams winning their conference and going to the playoff every year. Ya know... teams that can point to tangible results and trophies. 

You expect Michigan to be able to say “we’re a good school, we have a big stadium, and we used to be really good,” and high ranked recruits should be lining up at the doors to come here. And that’s just not how it works. These kids don’t care about the 80’s and 90’s. And Michigan hasn’t been an elite program for the majority of their lives. 
 

You want Michigan to be able to recruit like OSU? Michigan has to produce the results OSU does. And we have been extremely close a number of times under Harbaugh. Twice Michigan has been one play from winning the division, being favored to win the B1G title and making the playoff. And the entire perception of the program and Harbaugh drastically changes. 

 

getsome

April 7th, 2020 at 4:10 PM ^

if they really dont have a legit crm system in place, im not sure what to say at this point.  i dont know whether his comments are true but wiltfong has been fairly plugged in so its alarming to hear. 

obviously you can run your recruiting dept more old school and still get results but why not take full advantage of technology and exploit data wherever possible?  they have full time recruiting staff as well as student volunteers and most programs envy their deep pockets - the resources are there.  are they the right people though and do they truly take advantage of those resources to the fullest?  

re talent level of prospects/commits, ill just say that simply bc 1000 prospects could work hard and potentially earn some type of role on the team doesnt mean those 1000 kids all belong at michigan or are the right recruits for the programs stated goals.  all 85 matter