Beyer and Hollowell, 4 stars and in Rivals 250
They are releasing the rivals 250 today and two players are now ranked with their 4 stars - which means they are also in the 250 (which should be out any time now).
http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Brennen-Beyer-97382
http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Delonte-Hollowell-95132
2 of 5 commits so far are four stars. The rest of the 4's come out tomorrow. So far the recruiting class is looking good - considering it's supposed to be a small one. (not that recruiting experts' opinions really mean much, it's just nice to pass the time with)
EDIT: Rivals 250 is here;
Brennen Beyer is the No. 187 overall prospect and the No. 13 strongside defensive end in the country.
Delonte Hollowell is the No. 236 overall prospect and is the No. 15 cornerback in the country.
If everyone has 4 stars, what happens to the 3 star mafia?
How far down the list do the 4* guys typically go?
Given out a good share of 4*, but very little 5*
Well I know last year the whole 250 consisted of four stars, if that is what you are asking. Then there are a bunch more outside of the top 250 that are 4 stars as well.
Tomorrow the rest of the 4 star players get released and Friday I think the full rankings come out.
but last year they went through 250
Last year there were at least 340 players that were ranked 4* or above by rivals. The 340 doesn't include CBs because that rivals link is broken. Judging by prior year's lists, it's likely there were about 20 4* or better CBs in that class as well. Expect at least an additional 100 4*s to be named eventually.
EDIT: Also, there were:
- 366 in 2009
- 341 in 2008
rankings change so much from now till signing day.
get some love
Notables include:
#117 Aundrey Walker
#156 Brandon Fulse
#206 Remound Wright
#216 Brett Hundley
I'm sure there are others, but this is what I noticed at first glance
Deion Barnes: 141
Kyshoen Jarrett: 159
Mickey Johnson: 139
Zach Debell: 115
Travis Hughes: 149
Raymon Taylor: 245
.... Just to name a few
#185
who haven't committed to someone else (101 to 250)
#101
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Demetrious Nicholson | DB | 4 stars | 5'11" | 167 | list |
#111 | Dondi Kirby | DB | 4 stars | 6'3" | 180 | list |
#115 | Zach Debell | OL | 4 stars | 6'7" | 265 | list |
#117 | Aundrey Walker | OL | 4 stars | 6'5" | 355 | list |
#120 | Nick Waisome | DB | 4 stars | 5'10" | 171 | list |
#137 | Chevelle Buie | RB | 4 stars | 5'7" | 153 | list |
#139 | Mickey Johnson | DT | 4 stars | 6'1" | 310 | list |
#141 | Deion Barnes | DE | 4 stars | 6'5" | 220 | list |
#147 | Charles Jackson | DB | 4 stars | 5'11" | 180 | list |
#152 | Avery Walls | DB | 4 stars | 5'11" | 184 | list |
#156 | Brandon Fulse | TE | 4 stars | 6'4" | 247 | list |
#157 | Jordan Walsh | OL | 4 stars | 6'3" | 275 | list |
#159 | Kyshoen Jarrett | DB | 4 stars | 5'11" | 182 | list |
#165 | Ryan Shazier | LB | 4 stars | 6'3" | 205 | list |
#173 | Darius Jennings | ATH | 4 stars | 6'0" | 180 | list |
#180 | Brandon Phelps | ATH | 4 stars | 6'0" | 175 | list |
#185 | Miles Shuler | ATH | 4 stars | 5'11" | 173 | list |
#187 | Brennen Beyer | DE | 4 stars | 6'4" | 222 | Michigan |
#195 | Anthony Chickillo | DE | 4 stars | 6'3" | 226 | list |
#216 | Brett Hundley | QB | 4 stars | 6'4" | 210 | list |
#217 | Melvin Gordon | ATH | 4 stars | 6'0" | 185 | list |
#229 | Terrell Chestnut | ATH | 4 stars | 5'11" | 175 | list |
#236 | Delonte Hollowell | DB | 4 stars | 5'8" | 162 | Michigan |
#250 | Corey Marshall | DE | 4 stars | 6'2" | 239 |
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While looking over the list, I came across Raymon Taylor, ATH from Detroit. I haven't seen him mentioned on the board before. Anyone know anymore on this kid? Any top 250 player from our own backyard would seem to be a priority, but his offers are from the Cincy's, and IU's of the world. What's the deal with this kid, and if he is so highly regarded, why aren't we hearing more on him?
In many other years, he would have been offered by now. He's a pretty good talent, but we already have two cornerbacks and any others we take will/should be top-tier talents. I don't think he's in that "top tier" level, but the guys at Rivals think he'll be offered before all is said and done.
He could play WR or CB, but I think we're looking at him as a CB prospect.
...But there's been a ton on him. I say that b/c you asked why there hasn't been more info. on the kid if he's rated so well. Michigan is supposedly close to offering but have not done so yet. They're looking at him for CB, but since we already have 2 committed we're holding out for now.
He's supposed to be at the Michigan summer camp at the end of the month - via Rivals. They also expect Michigan to offer him there if they like what they see, which could definately earn us a committment.
I'm a little bit surprised by the inclusion of Hollowell. I saw him as a high 3-star, not quite a top 250 guy. But good for him. He's done well at camps and such.
Initially the first Rivals 250 is based mostly off of camp performances. There are obviously exceptions to the rule, but there's not really a whole lot to go off of for most scouts before the players' senior seasons. Hollowell has done pretty well at camps and has gotten exposure for himself so it's not a huge surprise that he's included. I am fairly surprised, though, that Hakeem Flowers and Ja'juan Story weren't included. Although I heard that Story had a poor showing at a recent camp, but still.
Edit: Furthermore, based off of the above, I haven't heard much of anything on Rock and camps. I'm pretty sure when all is said and done, Rock will be ranked fairly highly.
Yeah, Rock was the surprise today. I expected him to be higher than Hollowell, but it's better than both of them being left off.
I think Rock has been overrated by some of the people on this board. I still think the jury's out on what he can really do, because of his illness/injury and because the team he plays on has been stacked with other FBS-level talent. His senior year should tell us a lot.
That could be, but his offer list suggests 4-star, or at least close to it. He has offers from, ND, Neb, Oregon, Pitt, WVU, Wisconsin, among other BCS offers. There aren't a ton of very big names on there, but a defensive player with offers from ND, UM and Nebraska should be in the 4-star discussion.
I asked Greg Gladky why Rock wasn't included. He mentioned the fact that Rock would show up big in some games, but disappear entirely in others. Then again, Gladly also mentioned Rock's lack of production (16 sacks?!?) so I'm taking his word with a grain of salt.
Not that 15/16 sacks is anything to scoff at, but those stats were accrued over 14 or 15 games, I think. Those sack numbers are impressive; but they should be digested with a dose of perspective. He didn't get 16 sacks in a 9-game schedule.
but he got those 16 sacks playing with a serious illnees that really should've had him bedridden. he lost 40 lbs but still played through it. i think this season will show what he can really do
Right, which is why I think the jury's still out. There are a lot of unknowns about him, IMO...
True, and if he played 14 or 15 games (which is probably high, since his team didn't make the finals) the last 4+ games were obviously against playoff calibur teams (and likely a number of the regular season games as well). Throw in the illness and the fact that he played both ways (unlike many other top prospects), those numbers are pretty impressive.
It would be interesting if we could nail down exactly how many games he played last fall. Anybody know this?
Yep, that's 15 games. I couldn't tell from that link, but was their loss to Mooney in the Finals? Otherwise the state champ would play 16 games, and that's a lot for HS. In MI they only play 14 if you make it all the way.
It also looks like they played a number of good teams: Mooney twice, Elder, Anderson, and Wyoming all stick out to me.
That was the finals. Ray Vinopal's Mooney team went 15-0 to win the title.
I'm not saying it's unimpressive. I'm just saying that you have to look at things in context. On the plus side, he racked up a lot of sacks for a good team while sick/injured. On the minus side, he picked up a lot of sacks over the course of a lot of games and other teams left him unblocked quite often.
So . . . who knows?
The thing about Hollowell is how big he plays. Watching film, to me he doesn't play like a 5'8" 160lb CB. He's very aggressive, fast and a hard hitter. Plays more like a 6'0" 190lb CB.
That may be true, but people said a lot of the same things about Boubacar Cissoko.
Overall, I'm not a big fan of 5'8" cornerbacks, no matter how aggressive they are. There are exceptions, but ultimately, shorter cornerbacks struggle in too many different areas for me to be really high on most of them.
when he decided that a life of petty crime was more valuable than playing football. Would a Cissoko with a better head on his shoulders have found more success?
I think the physical comparisons are fair, but Cissoko's problems were not for the most part physical. A hard hitting midget corner if not a dominant physical presence can still be effective in coverage and in run support in the college game.
I agree with you, 5'8" cornerbacks aren't my cup of tea. A growth spurt as a senior could really help to add weight and much needed height to help cover taller recievers.
The kids a beast on the field, he knows how to use his body as a weapon. I think if he doesn't grow more he could be a good candidate for a Stevie Brown role. (Bandit? I believe. Not too sure still of the terminology.)
EDIT: For those who haven't seen highlight film on Delonte...
Steve Miller unexpectedly low.
I'm surprised he wasn't in the 250. I would be shocked if he didn't end up getting four stars though.
Are the rest of the 4* guys getting revealed today?