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So here's this:

Multiple well-placed sources have confirmed to the Ole Miss Spirit today that quarterback Shea Patterson has been granted permission by Ole Miss to talk to other programs about potentially transferring. Patterson and Ole Miss executed what is termed a "permission to contact" form on Friday, according to those sources. ...

Well-placed sources also told the Ole Miss Spirit that Michigan is probably the favorite to land Patterson, if he does execute a transfer from Ole Miss.

FWIW, Patterson's release bars him from SEC schools and other teams on Ole Miss's schedule the next two years.

What?!

Yeah.

I have questions.

Shoot.

I thought Patterson wasn't immediately eligible?

By the letter of the law he's not. The NCAA automatically grants a free transfer to anyone whose eligibility expires before a post-season ban does, but since Ole Miss just got one extra year only their rising seniors are 100% free and clear to leave. Patterson is going to be a junior.

However, it would make zero sense for Patterson to transfer to Michigan if he did have to sit out a year. If Patterson isn't immediately eligible he'd enter 2019 as a redshirt junior at a school with an entrenched starter who's either in the same class (Peters) or younger (McCaffrey). Therefore we have to assume there's a path to immediate eligibility in the world where Patterson does come to Michigan. This section of the NCAA rulebook that comes immediately before the "if your eligibility is covered by a post-season ban you can transfer free" section might be it:

14.8.2.1 Residence Requirement. The one-year residence requirement for student-athletes may be waived under the following conditions or circumstances: (Revised: 7/24/12) ...

For a student-athlete who transfers to a member institution after loss of eligibility due to a violation of the regulation prohibiting pay for participation in intercollegiate athletics (see Bylaw 12.1.4) or a violation of recruiting regulations (see Bylaw 13.01.1), or for a student-athlete who transfers to a Division I institution after loss of eligibility due to involvement in a violation of the freshman or transfer eligibility requirements for financial aid, practice and competition set forth in Bylaws 14.3.1, 14.5.4 and 14.5.5. The Management Council may waive these requirements only upon a determination of the innocence or inadvertent involvement of the student-athlete in the violation.

I'm not sure what a "loss of eligibility" means in this context. It seems clear that this section is designed to let players leave after specific sorts of NCAA violations, as long as they're innocent of them personally. FWIW, in 2003 all Baylor basketball players were eligible to leave immediately after the Bliss scandal. That's... uh... maybe a sui generis kind of thing, but the NCAA only banned Baylor from the postseason for one year.

In this specific case, Ole Miss's desperate attempt to keep the program together might backfire on them. Safety Deontay Anderson sat this year out and is now petitioning for immediate eligibility—he's even using Houston Nutt's lawyer!—because Ole Miss lied to him about the investigation:

According to Mars, Anderson claims that both Freeze and Bjork indicated that the NCAA investigation would not have a negative impact on the football program and that the bulk of the alleged violations pre-dated Freeze’s arrival, which was proven to be false. Those statements were allegedly made both in a group setting during Anderson’s recruiting visit on Jan. 29-31, 2016, and in private meetings with Freeze, including one instance where his father Michael Anderson implored Freeze to tell the truth about the severity of the allegations and potential penalties.

Ole Miss did not publicly release its first Notice of Allegations until May of that year.

According to Mars, Anderson submitted to the NCAA that he would not have signed with Ole Miss had those statements not been made.

“...in that individual meeting with Coach Freeze on Jan. 31 Mr. Anderson very emphatically asked to just tell the truth about the nature of the allegations and what the implications could be.

“Mrs. Anderson vividly remembers that, and so does Deontay and it underscores how important it was to all these student-athletes and their parents to get a full understanding of what the situation was and it underscores how unconscionable it was for them to be told anything less than the truth.”

If—when?—Anderson gets that waiver that should open the floodgates for the entire 2016 class. If Michigan gets Shea Patterson because Hugh Freeze was lying to everyone and people, including purported journalists, believed him, you will hear the deep rumble of my evil mastermind laugh from sea to shining sea.

Uh... is Patterson going to be eligible? I mean, #1 QB in the class of 2016 decides on Ole Miss?

Patterson wasn't implicated in any of the violations. And Ole Miss hired Patterson's brother Sean immediately after Patterson committed. That, rather than some money to keep mom's lights on, was likely the impetus to go play for Hugh Freeze. These days high-end QB recruits are often from affluent families that can afford the camp-trotting and intensive coaching; the Pattersons were probably focused more on the pot of NFL gold at the end of the rainbow than anything up front.

FWIW, like Devin Bush Sr., Sean is a legitimate football coach. He had analyst/QC roles at LSU and Arizona before his move to Ole Miss, and was a three-year starter at Duquesne prior to that. I'd bet a dollar that if Patterson transfers Sean will come along in a similar non-coaching role.

And you're fine with this?

I think players should be paid. I also think people should follow the rules laid out for them, and advocate to change them if they feel the rules are wrong instead of seeking personal advantage by breaking them under the table.

But what about Peters... and McCaffrey?

The major downside of taking Patterson is what it might do to Michigan's already desperately thin collection of QBs not currently in high school. Brandon Peters had a promising start to his career, and might take badly to Harbaugh importing a guy just when the depth chart opened up for him. While Patterson's a big fish, losing Peters would be a blow. I'm not sure maybe one year of Patterson backed up by McCaffrey is preferable to certainly two and maybe three years of Peters.

Any transfer in would be a delicate situation. Michigan's best approach might be emphasizing that Patterson wants to be a one and done; if that's the case than Peters's situation is basically identical to what it was with Speight around: competing for the job and maybe getting blocked for one more year.

McCaffrey's extra year means Patterson won't be as threatening to him; don't think it would impact him much.

Any other dudes we could pirate away? Especially tackle-shaped dudes? Please tell me there's a tackle-shaped dude.

The big fish is of course Greg Little, the former five star who was PFF's third-highest-graded SEC OT as a true sophomore. Little has given no public indication that he's on his way out, has no connection to Michigan, and doesn't have a brother in coaching that helps explain why on Earth he'd go to Oxford. He is in that 2016 class that might be set free, though, and if dude is thinking about heading to the NFL after 2018... I mean. It could happen! Shut up.

We've received some intel that Michigan is interested in one of Ole Miss's wide receivers. Sophomore AJ Brown, PFF's top-rated SEC WR, led the conference with 75 catches for 1200 yards this year and is also in that 2016 class; junior DaMarkus Lodge caught 41 balls for 700 yards and is definitely free and clear to transfer as a rising senior. We think it's Brown but aren't clear on that. (Correction: we think it's Van Jefferson.) While Michigan has a lot of upcoming talent at WR they have maybe one established outside WR in Donovan Peoples-Jones and could not turn up their nose at Brown.

Michigan has no other spots of glaring need and doesn't have a lot of room to play with—this recruiting class is going to be smallish—so it's unlikely they go after anyone who doesn't directly address QB, WR, or OT.

Is this actually happening? These things get talked about all the time and they never ever happen.

This one looks like it's actually happening. Patterson and the WR in question are tentatively scheduled to be on campus this weekend. That's much farther than these rumors usually get.

Comments

MGoBlue-querque

December 4th, 2017 at 12:38 PM ^

I have to say that I'm torn over this.  I think Patterson would be a nice addition to the team and could help them win right now.  But I thought Peters showed a lot of promise during his time on the field this year and I really, really want to see him develop and grow. 

MacMarauder

December 4th, 2017 at 12:48 PM ^

I know, I'm conflicted about this as well.  It could turn out great or be a horrible mistake.

In some ways it reminds me of when Harbaugh tried to bring Peyton Manning to the 49ers.  I guess the lesson is that Harbaugh will always look to upgrade the QB position.  

ohioNblue33

December 4th, 2017 at 2:36 PM ^

Of the posters on here think he's just ok. So he must suck. I do want Patterson though because of depth and the kid is good. But I also think Peters has a huge upside. Played with new WRs and a below average line. Good competition

GoBlueInNYC

December 4th, 2017 at 12:41 PM ^

Maybe I'm just getting ahead of myself wanting M's recruiting to stabilize, but I think I'd rather see a Peters, McCaffery depth chart going forward than continuing to rely on transfer QBs. I just feel like things are starting to shape up (if maybe a little thinner and younger than you'd llike), and that bringing in Patterson just throws a bit of a wrench into long term development of M's QB position.

jdemille9

December 4th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

I'm with you, mostly. But what happens if Peters and McCaffery get hurt? We're screwed big time. Gotta have QB depth. Harbaugh hasn't been here long enough to have built it up where it isn't an issue if guys get hurt/don't work out. I, too, would prefer to roll with Peters and McCaffery but Patterson is a talented kid who can add needed depth. 

That said, as I mentioned earlier I think Peters has a huge leg up against Patterson and honestly I think Peters emerges as the starter in 2018 regardless.

stephenrjking

December 4th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^

If the top 2 QBs on a team get hurt, a team is usually going to suffer in a huge way. 2014 OSU notwithstanding. 

It is almost impossible to keep 3 starting-caliber QBs on a roster at the same time. At least one of those guys will, properly, think that he has a chance to actually start somewhere else instead of ride the bench and get 50% of the second-team snaps in practice. The roster has to be managed for quality over time as well as quality for one year.

Harbaugh was able to bring in transfers in 2015 because the QB roster was so thin. Wilton Speight, a 3-star RS freshman, wasn't going to grip about a year of Rudock, and Shane Morris only had one guy to compete with. And Morris and Speight still both left. 

We don't know how Peters will respond if a top-ranked QB transfers in. What you THINK he should do is irrelevant; all that matters is what Peters thinks. 

I don't think his leg up is that great, BTW. He doesn't know the whole playbook and he didn't enter school as highly ranked. 

If Patterson comes in, I think Peters leaves.

M-Dog

December 4th, 2017 at 1:22 PM ^

I agree, we need depth.  We need a viable backup.

But I don't think Patterson is coming here to add depth.  He's not transferring to be our backup.

If he wins the job for a one-and-done year, we could lose Peters.

Then we are in an even worse position.

 

NowTameInThe603

December 4th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^

Im not with you at all. 

Its really fucking unbelievable but the defense MIGHT be better next year. Can you fucking believe that?

Anyway its about time the offense carries a little bit of the load after wasting 2 fucking amazing defenses the past 2 years. Fuck.

I dont give a shit about how an incoming transferS will affect recruiting. But you know what will help recruiting????? FUCKING BEATING OSU AND PLAYING IN A MOTHERFUCKING B1G TEN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

GoBlueInNYC

December 4th, 2017 at 3:10 PM ^

1. Calm down, dude.

2. I'm not worried about it affecting recruiting going foward, I'm thinking more about actually getting to a point where the team is developing and playing the players the coaches recruited. It took Rudock half a season to get up to speed, I'd like to see the position group actually get to a point where kids come in, learn the offense, and then start.

3. I'm not sure Patterson is some sure thing that won't need a chunk of time to both develop genearlly (as other's have noted in this thread, his numbers aren't exactly impeccable against good defenses), but also to learn this offense.

Mr Miggle

December 4th, 2017 at 4:07 PM ^

He was competing with QBs who only had a spring practice time with our offense.

Peters has a two year head start in that regard, plus time running it in games. Aside from a particular offense, he's also learned how Harbaugh likes his QBs to do the little things. Patterson will have a lot of ground to make up when he comes in.

We've already seen that Harbaugh prefers to start a QB he has confidence in now, not because of their potential. If Patterson can beat out Peters and McCaffrey in just a couple of months of practice, then we should be very glad to see him out on the field.

If he can't, it shouldn't come as any surprise. I'll go so far as to say it's more likely he won't. Peters and McCaffrey are talented QBs and they have every right to think they will win an open competition.

Ty Butterfield

December 4th, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^

I understand bringing in Rudock in Harbaugh’s first season. 2018 will be a huge season for the future of this program. I would feel better rolling with Peters who will be heading into his 3rd year.

Bambi

December 4th, 2017 at 12:42 PM ^

I feel like the biggest concern is Peters transferring. McCaffery shouldn't be an issue because of the 2 year age difference between him and Patterson. But assuming Harbaugh talks it through with Peters and handles it well (no reason to think he wouldn't), I don't know that Peters would transfer. I feel like part of the reason people think it's a possibility are previous reports about Peters being a bust making it seem like he was potentially gonna transfer anyways. Those reports were pretty much all false, so there's no reason to think Peters and Harbaugh aren't on good terms now. Just frame this as Brian saod: Patterson comes in for a year, he's basically the same scenario as if Speight were here. Peters can wim the job in the offseason, if he does awesome, he's even better than Patterson which is a high floor to start with. If not stick it out for a year (he'd have to sit a year if he transferred anyway) and start in 2019.

stephenrjking

December 4th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

I agree. I think there's a good possibility of a Peters transfer, perhaps even during this offseason. Even if he weren't to transfer, this could be a real frustration for him and an injury to his development.

We can SAY it's the same as Speight staying a year, but Patterson is not Speight. This is Michigan bringing a guy in, saying "we could do better than the guys we have."

And FWIW we think McCaffrey would be ok with this because he's young, but we don't know that for sure. In big-time college football these days guys get their feelings hurt, or they properly see that things aren't working out quite as well as they would like, and they leave. 

This has the potential to go really badly. For maybe a year of a guy who hasn't seen our playbook before. We could wind up with Patterson being good, not great, leaving, and wind up with a super-thin QB stable in 2019.

That's quite the risk. 

Rasmus

December 4th, 2017 at 1:27 PM ^

Speight has two years of eligibility remaining, same as Patterson. [Right? I didn't actually check this.] But Shea is a much better bet to jump to the NFL after a solid year leading Michigan. So Peters and DM are better off than they would have been with Wilton established, because it's more likely he stays until his eligibility runs out. 

Would people have been speculating on a Peters transfer if Speight had started the whole season?

Now, if Patterson doesn't get the waiver, then that would change things for Peters, because that means Shea would redshirt next year and still have two years remaining. On the other hand, Peters can graduate after next year and take the same route as Speight, playing immediately with two years remaining.

If Patterson is coming, it's partly because of the Cesar Ruiz connection. I posted this in the other thread, but it's worth a reprise here:

Patterson (#7) and Ruiz (#52) playing together at IMG academy.

 

corundum

December 4th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

>the Pattersons were probably focused more on the pot of NFL gold at the end of the rainbow than anything up front. Then why did he go to Ole Miss? Why not learn under the best rather than whichever school hired his unqualified brother as the QB coach?

Bigly yuge

December 4th, 2017 at 12:43 PM ^

Most big time athletes are up for competition. Shea to Michigan would be a big time pick up, and. I feel good about it, but I would feel better about it if transfer QB’s weren’t seemingly an every year thing under Harbaugh.

maize-blue

December 4th, 2017 at 12:49 PM ^

"I'm not sure maybe one year of Patterson backed up by McCaffrey is preferable to certainly two and maybe three years of Peters."

This is a good quote from the post. I think a QB transfer would raise obvious questions regarding the QB depth, but I think stockpiling would be good.

DrMantisToboggan

December 4th, 2017 at 12:50 PM ^

The only way that a Patterson-only addition makes sense is if Peters definitely wouldn't transfer. I don't think you can guarantee that.

 

If Patterson brings Greg Little or another immediate starter-and-upgrade to our LT position then it makes sense no matter what Peters does. I don't know if Patterson vs. Peters is a difference in next year's team winning a title, it might be, I just don't think it's clear. However, Patterson + LT is very clearly a title-level difference maker.

Richard75

December 4th, 2017 at 1:15 PM ^

Why would Peters transfer?

He’s already redshirted. If he transfers, he has to sit out 2018, then he has two years to play. If he stays, he competes with Patterson for 2018, then has two years to play.

Maybe Patterson is still in his way in 2019; maybe Peters beats him out right off the bat in 2018. But the one certainty is this: A transfer costs Peters a year.

DrMantisToboggan

December 4th, 2017 at 1:30 PM ^

I agree that, even if Patterson beat him out (which I do not think is a given), it would make more sense for Peters to stay. Patterson is going pro after next year, then Peters would take over again. Patterson is coming off a major knee injury, and Brandon saw this year how he'd only be one snap away from being right back in the game.

 

However, when emotions get involved, the most logical actions are not always the ones that are taken. If Peters loses a competition to Patterson, I could see him feeling jilted and transferring to a roster where he still sees himself as being the best QB even 2 years down the road after sitting out. I think, if Peters were to be QB2 by the end of next fall camp, it's probably a 50/50 proposition on him transferring.

DrMantisToboggan

December 4th, 2017 at 1:49 PM ^

It's pretty well-established by everyone looking into this situation that Patterson wants to go pro next year and is only looking to go somewhere if he's immediately eligible, so that he can do just that. I think he's had leaving after 3 years as his plan since he was a recruit and wants to execute that plan. If it doesn't look like he will be eligible to play next year I doubt he leaves Ole Miss.

BlueinOK

December 4th, 2017 at 12:55 PM ^

Take him and see how it works. This is big time college football. I'm not worried about how it might hurt the feelings of a QB already on the roster. The best player will play. Compete!