Utah Jazz officially put Trey Burke on the trading block
Per multiple reports
Pistons should make a run at him, right??
Trey is probably feeling better now, than the last time he trending on twitter
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tuff?
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Maybe actually none. Putting a guy 'officially' on the trading block means you're willing to throw away leverage entirely. They may just waive him now that they have Hill to go with Exum.
I don't think the Pistons will trade for him, but I think if they can get him for a 2nd round pick they should. Knowing the Pistons GM's history, it's likely that he prefers throwing a lot of free agent dollars at a proven player rather than a hopeful play for somebody like Burke. It seems like they're headed for a $12-13M/year offer to Dellevadova, Lin, or Felton. Burke would be a lot lower risk.
guy made millions off a 2 week stretch for the ages
Lin is a good offensive guard; I'd take him over Burke right now. Neither are great, but Lin is a better shooter overall. But I'm not sure any of the guys listed are going to move the needle for me.
I know the cap is going up but $12-13 mil for a backup is ABSURD considering how much Reggie Jackson is making yearly.
Dellevedova might be the only guy who actually gets $12. Lin and Felton may be closer to $10, but it depends on contract length too.
There's so much much money compared to number of free agents that everybody is going to get overpaid. Essentially every player who signed a long-term deal before now is underpaid and this current crop of free agents gets the windfall.
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I agree with you, but I think the Pistons braintrust have an MO for fitting roster needs regardless of how smart the decision is for the long-run. They needed shooting so they overpaid Meeks. They needed a backup for Drummond so they overpaid Baynes. Dellevedova would fit the pattern now that they need a 3&D combo guard to round out the rotation.
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but keep in mind that $10 M will be less than 10% of the cap by next year.
If you are paying a combo guard to play 15-20 mpg and run your offense whenever your star player is out that's a bargain if he's even average (for a backup) in that role.
after the season he just had. You're not finding an above average backup C on the open market for less than $6M anymore.
but him being an above average backup C is up for dispute.
That's not good at all for him. Does he get another chance elsewhere?
He'll get a camp invite somewhere, it's just not clear if anyone will trust him to be a backup PG. He may be a #3 - meaning he's often competing for spots where teams want younger options with more upside. He might be better off proving himself in Europe or the NBDL.
Perhaps though, he'll find himself somewhere like OKC or San Antonio where there is a clearcut starter but also a strong culture of player development. The Pistons would be a good landing spot too - since the offense is designed around a scoring PG and Trey is familiar running a pick-and-roll heavy offense. The other other outcome would be another shot at being a starter with someone like Philly or NJ. He could put up numbers, but ultimately it's too similar to his situation at Utah to be good for him.
SVG doesn't like to venture into the FA and would prefer trading to get the player for the right price.
Pistons are looking for a big now that they have Gbinjie playing PG for them with Steve Blake as the 3rd PG. Maybe they'll find someone who can play the 2/3 spot since they're shopping Jodie Meeks.
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SVG signed Meeks, Baynes, and Blake and arguably overpaid for all 3. Bowers is the actual GM anyway, and in the same role with the Hornets he made a ton of free agent signings to fill roster deficiencies. Their track record is excellent in finding players who fit well with what the team needs (at least on paper) -- the problem is they don't mind overpaying to do it.
Resource optimization isn't their thing. SVG has indicated repeatedly he is about incremental improvement in the short-term. Analytics-minded guys like Morey, Hinkie, etc. would scoff at many of their moves.
You are correct though that they have made some big moves via trade recently (Jackson, Harris, Illysova, Morris) in taking castoffs from other teams. Burke would fit that mold. They aren't dummies and will take a bargain where they can get it. I just think the Pistons have already identified their free agent targets and budget and it's very likely to be a PG.
Gbinjie is a candidate for the 3rd PG spot - per SVG. They will sign a 3rd PG later in the summer if he doesn't pan out at PG in summer league.
There is no market for Meeks and the Pistons seem content at the 2 with KCP/Johnson/Meeks/Hillard/Gbinjie. With KCP's free agency imminent though, they should be looking IMO.
Trey doesn't fit what SVG look for in a PG anyway.
I expect KCP to be back at some capacity and that shouldn't be a problem with the increasing cap space and KCP is valuable as a defensive player.
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They will probably have to pay KCP close to a max contract right? Things will get tight with Jackson, Harris, Drummond all making close to the max and their other free agent signings (plus still paying Josh Smith $5M).
Bowers overpaid people even when the Hornets were making the playoffs. The Pistons not winning has nothing to do with it.
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even if he doesn't. If he hits 34% or more of his 3s he'll get a MAX contract.
via trade, and Baynes certainly wasn't an overpay.
I thought the knock on Lin was the turnovers. I liked Dellevadova at St. Mary's even though is mouthguard got on my nevers (the little things). Honestly, I'd pick Burke up off of waivers. He's not a bad influence in the locker room and SVG's system may be an aid to him. If I trade a 2nd round pick for him, it would probably be a 2018 2nd rounder. By then, the Pistons should be good enough where that will be a late 2nd round pick anyway.
Blake's been hanging on in the NBA for many years. Given his lack of defense and scoring it's pretty inexplicable. But coaches love his reliability; he runs the offense responsibly, distributes, doesn't take dumb shots and hits 3's when open. He keeps not only making teams but actually playing on them despite being...pretty bad.
I actually think he'd be a great role model for Trey Burke to model his game after (as Trey's real strength is efficient game managment with just enough scoring punch to keep defenses honest). I think Trey sees himself as a bigtime scorer though. Which probably means he'll find himself leading the league in scoring within a few years - somewhere in Europe.
as a 3rd backup PG with Gbinjie starting out at PG for the Pistons.
is not a candidate for backup PG at this time. per SVG, he is auditioning for the 3rd PG spot. They view him as a versatile player who can play 1-3.
I like the Gbinjie pick and am optimistic about his potential to be a poor man's Denzel Valentine -- but keep in mind he's a 2nd round pick and those guys rarely pan out and even more rarely are assets as rookies. He'll be in a fight just to make the roster. He's certainly not going to be the top backup heading into camp.
Hopefully he lands somewhere that I can actually see him play on tv.
Would like to see him on Pistons, but from what I understand he may be too expensive for backup for them/SVG is looking for a taller guard.
Also would love to see him go to someone like Spurs, Miami, etc and learn from a great staff.
There's a pretty good chance whoever the pistons sign for PG will make $10M/year or more. It does make sense that they are looking for some defense though, as Jackson is pretty awful and gets targeted ruthlessly. Cleveland went to the Iso-Whoever-Reggie-Jackson-Is-Guarding offense whenever they were threatened.
So maybe Trey is not too expensive, but 10M is way too much. A combined 25M on PGs when the cap is gonna be about 94 seems like a bit too much no? Especially when you consider Reggie is not great, and this backup likely won't be any better than an average backup.
the thinking would be to get a combo guard who can play beside Jackson at times. Dellevedova has experience playing beside Irving, Lin beside Walker, and Felton has played both guard positions throughout his career. That's why I think those guys will get targeted.
Pistons have money to spend and contracts will only get more outlandish next year. Their alternative is a trade (which may or may not come up in a way that suits their team needs) or spend on another position. PG is the most obvious need. PF would be nice too but with Harris and Morris being combo forwards they can play there too.
Pistons are looking for a Motiejunas type who can swing between 4 and 5 -- but there's not a lot of great options for that sort of player within the Pistons budget.
that SVG look for which is size, running the offense and ability to score.
and Reggie Jackson is an average-sized PG.
Trey is an offense-oriented player. He's just not that good.
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He had a lot of say in Orlando.
We are talking about backup PG - you don't get to pick anyone you want, you get the best available to you "at the time". In this case that's free agency and the trade market. I'm sure SVG would love to have Magic Johnson at PG but he chose to have Reggie Jackson and sign Steve Blake.
if he did, he wouldn't be forced out by Dwight Howard.
SVG is the GM since he's the president of basketball operations. He has the final say on the moves.
Nelson and Jackson are the same claiber of player. Per advanced stats Nelson was a 5-6.6 win share player in his prime and Jackson's was at 4.9 the previous two seasons before jumping to 6.9 last year. Other measures are less favorable to Jackson.
We're talking about a guy who is a fringe all-star at best - just like Nelson. An offensive asset and a defensive liability.
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So is Trey, so was Jameer Nelson. Steve Blake was one of the worst defenders in the league at PG and SVG was very happy to play him. SVG wants his PG to run the offense, his big to dominate the paint, and shooters on the wing.
All of Jackson's length doesn't seem to help him be an adequate NBA defender.
....nah probably not
That would never happen.
Cool - hope he makes his way to a team closer to the Eastern Time Zone where we can watch him play.