Allegations against Baylor involving football - will this affect JH Satellite Camp stop?
Just read up on this. There have been a number of very serious allegations made against Baylor football programs for assault and worse. Art Briles is coming under some heavy questioning, and the court of public opinion could be turning south on him/them quickly.
Question for the board, do you see this affecting Harbaugh's plans to camp there June 12?
Should it?
Comments and thoughts welcome.
For reference: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/05/19/college-coaches-join-call-for-…
wish it woould though, I also want psu out of the big10 though so....
Always a +1 for getting rid of penn state.
BTW, FUCK penn state and all their delusional joepa loving fans!
Nothing in the NCAA happens that quickly. They drag things out FOREVER...
Schools/teams suspend players indefinitely all the time before due process is complete. This isn't any different. Art Briles and the Baylor football program looks like a massive piece of shit right now. There is zero reason to be associated with them.
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for years and years.
That explains all of their championships. The only thing worse than a cheater is a cheater who can't even cheat right. Incompetent and unethical is no way to go through life.
explain Greg Sankey's success then please...
But that was over a decade ago. What's unusually shady about Drew?
Butch Jones doesn't think it is a big deal either.
/smh
Briles supported him last year and has come to at least one camp as a speaker. I know loyalty is something that's important to our coach.
On the other hand, the sexual assault story at Baylor gets uglier with each new revelation, and a pattern of, at best, turning a blind eye seems to be emerging. Not a good look to be associated with.
I can't decide how I feel about this one.
It's a tough call. That's why I was interested in other's opinions.
The allegations look bad, as they keep coming in. And I know on the surface "innocent until proven guilty...", but we also know the court of public opinion is a bit more fast to react.
We're still in the process of "rebuilding" our National Powerhouse brand and pulling ourselves out of the bad taste Brandon left. Is it a good idea to associate with this "mess" or could it come back to bite us if the allegations are proven true. I don't want the taint, but I also believe in the loyalty factor, like you mentioned. Very tricky.
I don't think Michigan / Harbaugh would take too much of a PR hit if something came out later about Briles being complicit in any inappropriate activities. Sure, the usual Michigan bashers would use it as cannon fodder, but they're going to find something to bitch about either way.
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh calls Briles and asks him straight up what's going on down there. Jim seems like the sort of person that doesn't suffer fools.
but they're going to find something to bitch about either way
Ain't that the truth.
What are the chances the media won't ask Harbaugh the same thing? Then ask more questions later? More bad news could break about Baylor at any time. Harbaugh and what he does and says is always news, He'll need to do a good job answering some potentially difficult questions.
I think the fair question is whether going through with the camp the right thing to do. Not whether people care or will complain about it. I think Harbaugh will just want to do the camp, since he'll be working with the kids, not with Briles. Like his other camps, that should be good for the kids. At the same time, it looks like he's showing support at a critical time for a program and coach that don't deserve it I don't know the answer. I think this is a case for Manuel to have the final say.
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Neg away, but due process is still alive and well. And let's give our very smart coach leeway in that he probably knows what the fuck he's doing.
"He was nice to us once" isn't a reason to stay involved in the camp.
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Due process is far more important than a phrase made popular in the past couple of years. First time I heard it, it was like they "must do their best to win in the court of public opinion,because they know they can't win in a court of law." Somehwat clever, but it sounds as if it is written as a reaction to pre-trial strategy.
Coach Harbaugh has surprised me in many ways. The man normally had not made too many decisions on which I have disagreed. I think overreaction on our part, to this first report we've received would be ridiculous. As stated, give it a little time, and it might require no action on our part and it it does, I am sure the path we take will be made clear. We are not going to support anyone in a JoePa like situation. On the other hand, we are not going to rush to judgment based on reports. Yes, Due Process is alive and well and how many times has someone misjudged your actions, or worse reacted on those that never existed?
Let it play itself out for a bit.
There have been many similar reports, going back at least a couple of years. Nothing much was done about them. now it appears their problems are finally coming to a head. More victims are speaking out and their claims have been investigated. Baylor has finally launched an investigation of their own and the media coverage has intensified.
Due process should be followed for the people involved, whether they face losng jobs or prosecution. It should also be afforded the university in terms of facing punishments from the NCAA. The due process involved in deciding whether to associate with them in a voluntary way is not the same. At this point, there is really no doubt that something is rotten at Baylor, it's been ongoing and it involves their football program. Do we need to know if it rises to the level of criminal culpability?
Will Briles being teaching assault or will he be teaching football? If he's teaching assault then Jimmy should decline.
(Disclaimer) I'm not saying the players are innocent or guilty just commenting on things that confuse me.
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"...just commenting on things that confuse me"
Well now, that would mean just about everything that you don't have ALL the facts on, right, genius?
And that would apply to every other self-righteous idiot on this blog.
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Briles has been a known friend and trusted agent in hostile territory, but the allegations are pretty serious and numerous. I find it difficult to believe that he didn't know about the things that allegedly went on.
Maybe the way he sees things is that if charges aren't filed then whatever happened either didn't happen or wasn't a big deal.
Need more information before I have a strong opinion about it.
No need for white knights until we absolutely know what happened....if this is true, let's go William T. Sherman on them. But until then, we need to wait and see.
The final report remains a work in progress. The school has received a preliminary version of the report, however.
What will be interesting --- whether or not the University publicly releases the final report or not. They do not have to.
If someone wants to "apply pressure" on Baylor, calling for a public release of the final report would be one way to apply pressure.
Baylor's current President is Ken Starr --- anyone who followed the news in the 1990s knows that Starr has prior expereience with independent reviews.
I spit out my Diet Mt Dew when I read the words "Ken Starr" and "independent reviews."
I spit out my coffee when I read the words "Diet Mt Dew."
DMtD allows me to maintain my afternoon focus while limiting empty calories. Also Adderall.
Are you sure you didn't spit out your cigar????
Baylor's sounds more akin to the NFL's in deflategate. Baylor has said they will decide what to do with the report after they have reviewed it. They have resisted calls for a promise to release it that started as soon as it was commissioned, including a demonstration at Starr's house.
I wonder how much pressure can be put on them. ESPN is leading the media effort to expose the scandal. Ultimately, it's a private school that's going to suffer some bad publicity either way.Unless the feds get involved over Title IX issues, I expect them to do no more than cover their asses. .
For lack of a better way to put it --- Baylor doesn't really move the needle. ESPN can investigate it as much as it wants, but it's still a private university, that historically isn't very relevant/popular in the sports world, and 85% of the general public has no idea even what state the school is located in.
If this was Notre Dame? Sure, that story makes CNN. That's pressure. But this story likely isn't making CNN (especially so in an election year).
I don't know on the Title IX front either. Penn State and the Clery Act --- maybe I missed it, but I swear the Feds never did anything there. Or else it's some super-long (4+ years?!?) investigation.
How many parents will want to pay to send their daughters there? That's potentially a big issue at a Baptist school, whose atmosphere is a big part of its appeal. That's something Baylor's administrators can probably only guess at. By the time they know for sure, they may have taken a big hit. My guess is that they fire a few people, announce a change in procedures and release as little info as possible.
Those parents know their daughters are good girls. They won't be hanging with football players (and yes, for some there's a racial signifier lurking here), they won't be sexually active with anyone (and sure as hell not any football players), nothing bad's going to happen to them.
That's at the core of the problem there. It's clear from pretty much every statement they've made since this started (and I'll bet it's a lot worse when they're speaking among themselves and not putting out vetted statements) that Baylor's administration can't quite wrap their heads around the concept that these were even assaults. Rape, to them, is a stranger hiding in the bushes--if you let yourself be alone with a man and it's known that you might not be a virgin, well, dammit, what did you think was going to happen?
They aren't joining our century anytime soon, and they aren't likely to solve a problem they can't even see.
Baylor are paying a lot more than they would for a public school. If they think Baylor has the same problems they do or worse, maybe they make a different choice. They could look at Dallas Baptist, for example. It's not as if Baylor is elite academically.