OT: Chan Gailey down on Devin Smith (indirectly takes shot at OSU)
http://nypost.com/2015/10/30/why-chan-gailey-is-lukewarm-on-jets-wr-dev…
I'm always surprised at how little current coaches complain about this. It's got to be frustrating for them to be teaching things they should have spent the last four years learning.
“He’s struggled integrating into the whole system,” Gailey said. “He did certain things in college that were in their system, and getting involved in the whole system [with the Jets] — it’s been a longer process than any of us thought it would be.
“He’s just got a lot to learn and a lot to work on to this point,” Gailey added. “He’s got talent. We obviously all see that. If he’ll just keep working, things will happen good for him in the future. But he’s just got to keep working.”
Two other problems for Smith are that Ohio State’s system didn’t call for him to learn defenses or concern himself with the entire offense, in stark contrast to the Jets.
“He’s got a lot of work to do about reading coverages and reading [the details] of man coverage,” Gailey said. “All those things are important, and he’s just never had to do that.”
October 30th, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^
October 30th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
Piddly Poo!!!!!
October 30th, 2015 at 10:51 AM ^
just yesterday a certain cb from Cass was telling anyone who would listen that UM cant develop players so he was heading to OSU. It was Urb and staffs #1 pitch to recruits. Think players will hear about this once or twice on the recruiting trail?
October 30th, 2015 at 10:53 AM ^
you can't spell LIPOSUCTION without "OSU"
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October 30th, 2015 at 10:54 AM ^
is Chan Gailey related to Champ Bailey or that not how names work?
October 30th, 2015 at 11:16 AM ^
They are conjoined twins.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:01 AM ^
Meh. I'm a Jets fan, and, as the article states, Smith's main problem has been injuries. He hasn't been on the field long in enough in practice or games to develop sufficiently as a pro yet. I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
And even though I've been fairly pleased so far this year with Gailey's offense, I'm frankly tired of these NFL coaches complaining about how collegiate offenses fail to prepare their players for the NFL. As Dino Babers said a few weeks ago, NFL coaches are paid millions to help devleop these players. The circumstances of the college game, mainly time limtiations, make simpler schemes more advantageous. Urban Meyer isn't responsible for teaching his receivers a pro route tree. His scheme got Smith's athleticism and speed enough exposure to warrant a 2nd round draft seleciton. Enough done.
And further, in terms of this argument of spread v. pro style preparing players better for the NFL, I just don't care. Whether our offensive scheme or OSU's offensive scheme better prepares players for the NFL doesn't mean much at all, if anything, to me, unless we're beating them every year.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:01 AM ^
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October 30th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^
anti-spread movement has begun, and we are in at the ground floor. In contrast to the spread movement, where we got the Plasma version by the time everybody else had LED.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^
These are "learning institutions": many of these atheletes have trouble "playing school" maybe you could help them kill two birds by learning them some football?
O wait Herbz probably doesn't wan't to confuse his "playmakers" with thinking so that's not happening.
I hope that a really successful pro-style Harbaoffense draws some great recievers to Mich just because they realise it will perpare them for NFL like Bama does.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^
seems a tad harsh for the occasion.
October 30th, 2015 at 12:01 PM ^
...a bitter bill to swallow this morning.
And all this cognitive dissonance ain't no danish!
It really is a circular arguement of what part is most hypocritical, (a) the fact the NFL doesn't have a minor league where 18 year olds can GET PAID to LEARN the game of NFL football, (b) the "learning institutions" who MAKE MILLIONS on a monopoly de facto while not sharing any with the persons of note, and at the same time claiming the compensation is an education it doesn't include any training on how to be successful at the level of football that they can actually GET PAID and, of course, (c) the NCAA, who.....
Wait, that's wrong, it isn't a circular arguement at all, it ends right there as it always does, at the steaming pile of hypocrisy known as the NCAA.
Other than that, GoBlue!
October 30th, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^
is their own doing. They are the ones who instituted a rule a player has to be 3 years removed from college to be eligible for the draft - not the NCAA. The NFL would be responsible for footing the costs of a minor league. They kind of tired it with NFL Europe but that didn't last too long.
October 30th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
The NFL is fine with 3 years rule because most players aren't physically or mentally prepared for the league
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October 30th, 2015 at 1:33 PM ^
..Football players wouldn't be hugely successful?
Fact is Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, plenty of sports that are far less popular than Football, have minor leagues that are successful.
It comes down to the fact that the bagman from the NCAA dropping off a fat stack of "undeclared" money is far more profitable to the owners than adding the overhead to their current operations.
October 30th, 2015 at 2:09 PM ^
A minor league might be "successful" in the sense that minor-league baseball is, but not in the same galaxy as college football in popularity. You'd be selling a low-level pro product without the century of tradition (and the feel-good "They're all students" aspect) that college sports offers.
October 30th, 2015 at 2:17 PM ^
Depends on what your definition of success is. Sucess in developing players? I would say yes for minor league baseball and hockey. No for the NBDL, the best NBA players still come from college. Sucess in terms of being a marketable product that people watch? No. No one cares about minor league sports and no one ever will.
The problem minor league football would have is that college football is such an ingrained instituion. This is similar to what the NBDL faces with college basketball. College football offers more exposure, a better quality of life, and at least SOME education. My guess is that if the NFL started a minor leauge, it would be similar to the NBDL. Minimal, if not zero exposure and the best players would still come from college. Think about it, would you honestly choose minor league football over FBS college football and all that comes with it?
October 30th, 2015 at 3:53 PM ^
College Football will always be more popular and that would be true even if it didn't have "the best" players of their age.
Plus I wouldn't choose another league over college football but if the season started at the end of May, well I'd rather watch bad football in june and july than good baseball.
October 30th, 2015 at 1:05 PM ^
....and not letting 18 year olds use their special skills to earn money to help their people is the worst of their suckage.
Of course, since NFL is a business, and they actually share their profits with those who are responsible for making them, they'll get to finish a distant second to the NCAA forever.
And to be clear, I do not think colleges should have to "pay" players but they should, IMO, include the cost of living with a guaranteed scholarship. But it's ridiculous that the NCAA won't let players make money on their own name and likeness,
October 30th, 2015 at 1:39 PM ^
maybe Urban Meyer should just modify his offense to teach receivers how to be a success in the NFL. I don't know that this particular conversation needs to or should reach the "pay for play" argument but I guess anything can get there if you're determined to talk about it.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^
I wonder how Brian and this blog will react to the growing grumbling of this type re. spread offenses in college. So far they've been dismissive of NFL types making these claims, but it continues.
Still think about the Gruden QB specials, and yes I know everyone hates Gruden and his stupid because everyone on the internet hates everyone in the media, but I've always loved those shows. He'd had several spread QB's on and gone through a (long) NFL play call, and they've always looked confused. It's a bit of a wake up that even getting the play called is a learning curve.
Maybe the NFL goes the way of college spreads, but if not this is going to continue to be a meaningful issue.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:17 AM ^
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October 30th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^
In both college and pros, the initial play call comes in from the sideline. However, in college with most spread teams, once they get to the line of scrimmage and see how the defense is lined up, the team looks to the sideline to see if the play call is going to be changed or whether they are going to stick with the initial call.
In pros, once both teams are at the line of scrimmage the offense isn't usually looking to the sideline to see if they should change the play. That is on the QB and other offensive players to see what the defense is and whether they need to make adjustments before the ball is snapped.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:16 AM ^
...is that it's easy to learn. That's part of the reason he can win a championship with a third-string QB. The downside will always be that his guys aren't particularly well prepared for the NFL, but that doesn't stop him from landing top prospects.
October 30th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^
His system doesn't translate to the pros, but luckily for him, he doesn't work in the pros. He works at the collegiate level, where his type of system thrives.
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October 30th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
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Odell Beckham who is also a pretty transcendent talent was approaching 100 catches and over 1,000 years his first year in the league. I think it helped that their prior #1 reciever, Cruz went down, but it's pretty obvious that Beckham has special speed, route running and obviously hands.
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He was one of the most dominant, talented, physically gifted player I ever watched...similar to Barry Sanders and Lawrence Taylor in their ability to make your jaw drop.
Beckham, besides the crazy one handed catch, just seems to get it done with great routes and vice grip hands. Reminds me of a taller Steve Smith Sr. with even better hands and leaping ability.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
Is this something Harbaugh and Co. would aggressively use in recruiting players, especially once we are winning at the appropriate clip.
Like, look, you can go and have fun playing in a spread fro 3-4 years, but it won't prepare you for the big leagues. I've been there and done that. You have what it takes, and we will prepare you to be NFL ready. And if they want to push it...Look at Urban's QB's and WR's that have gone on to the NFL...where's the production. Percy Harvin?...runs a bunch of sweeps and gimick plays.
Is this a good recruiting strategy, or does it come off too negative?
October 30th, 2015 at 11:32 AM ^
Harbaugh and Co. will sell the system they are running, and part of that selling point will be preparing you for the NFL.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:19 AM ^
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October 30th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^
...draft Brian Cole in a few more years. He will know about route trees.
October 30th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^
“He’s got a lot of work to do about reading coverages and reading [the details] of man coverage,” Gailey said.
Chan...This "reading thing" you speak of is not practiced at OSU. Please utilize colorful crayons and paints for best results.
Go Blue!!!!
October 30th, 2015 at 11:34 AM ^
Oh, nah? You're going to keep the free publicity and training for your future players? Ok then.
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October 30th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^
Time to take college football from the athletes and give it back to the students!
October 30th, 2015 at 12:37 PM ^
October 30th, 2015 at 11:40 AM ^
We all know this about OSU's system. If players want to win a lot in college, then go to OSU (and other schools, obviously). If they want to be successful in the NFL, don't go to OSU (there are and will be exceptions, of course, but not many). It's really that simple.
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October 30th, 2015 at 12:25 PM ^
Not to mention it's such a "meatgrinder" offense at OSU their QB is very likely going to get dinged up multiple times during his college career. A lot to sacrifice if it costs a player a chance to be successful at the next level.
That's why, IMO, it was such a no brainer for Cardale to get most of the starts this year since he takes less abuse with the way he plays and can take it better than Barrett, if JT had started since game 1 he'd have some injuries by now.
October 30th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
Precisely. Starting Cardale for the first half of the season was a planned coaching move. Meyer looked at the schedule and said, "We can win all of these games with Cardale's playing." Now it's the tougher part of the schedule (including post season) and he now has a fully healthy and better QB in JT to play the rest of the games. OSU is a much more dangerous team with JT behind center.
October 30th, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^
....all the media scrutiny on not having JT in made Herbz put him in as the starter just a bit too early and he's not 100% on Nov 28. I don't care since UofM can beat them with a 100% Barrett but it would be nice to think Herbz is crumbling under the lights and attention that the champs get.
October 30th, 2015 at 2:38 PM ^
Stop calling him "Herbz." That is so lame.