grand river fi…

July 22nd, 2015 at 7:53 PM ^

That was an awful foul from Yeldon.  This is way to easy for lowly Jamaica, USA created one chance final 20 minutes, trailing in a semi-final at home.  Great work JK...feeling lucky it wasn't a 3-1 defeat

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alum96

July 22nd, 2015 at 7:56 PM ^

This one is a shame - Jamaica had 10 good minutes.  Hopefully they beat Mexico and we can rematch them to qualify for confederations cup.

(a boy can dream)

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MGlobules

July 22nd, 2015 at 10:40 PM ^

because we bested them a few weeks ago. But that said, it is extremely disappointing to lose like this, especially after Klinsmann made a big point of saying we were in it to win it and going to put our best 11 on the field.

We really do still have a long way to go, and while we have seen flashes under Klinsmann our miserable defense is on a par with the Tiger's relief pitching on the celestial list of why-the-fuck, years in, don't we remedy this situations.

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youn2948

July 23rd, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^

Yedlin made them look slow.  Beckerman couldn't keep up and was sliding wildly(mostly successfully), but really couldn't mark or threaten them for jack.  Diskarud came in and did a tad better maybe only because of fresh legs though.  Different positions but feel we needed Yedlin's speed early, not sure if he was being rested or thought he couldn't go 90 mins or what, but would have loved to see him start.

Would like to see a Yedlin+Zardes counter make Jamaica think twice about pushing forward.

Zardes looked really off, we made a ton of poor passes trying to play faster than we though, waaay too much miscommunication, made me sick a bit.

We outplayed them until we started retarded longball against a faster team...  They had their 10 minutes of us going "WTF is happening", but that's it.

A sad result, hope they can make it a game against Mexico for some redemption, otherwise it's just a sad embarrassing fluke.

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Wolverine In Iowa

July 22nd, 2015 at 8:06 PM ^

I'm sure the lads are looking forward to the third place game.

Now, do we root for El Tri so we can have an epic showdown for the Confederations Cup?  Does anyone know where this playoff game will be played?

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bacon1431

July 22nd, 2015 at 8:18 PM ^

We didn't play wretched. Well, outside of that 10 minute stretch around Jamaica's two goals. But that's what happens in soccer sometimes. Jurgen kept Timmy out like we wanted. I guess he could have had someone else in for Beckerman as he had trouble with the speed of Jamaica. Zardes had a pretty rough game. Johansson got into the right spots but could make the right pass or hit the right shot. Dempsey was almost nonexistant. 

Win the playoff and this tournament will be forgotten by many. Get to the Confed Cup, that's the goal and we still control our own destiny. Glad we have a few months to figure some stuff out though. 

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DoubleB

July 22nd, 2015 at 9:11 PM ^

First off, kudos to Jamaica. The US may have had the run of play, but Jamaica also had some quality chances that they didn't put in and defended quite well in the last 15.

Everyone's so paranoid for a true scorer up front, but we get our goals--even against real quailty sides. The problem is that we give up bad chances over and over again. Much of the time we get bailed out by our goaltending or bad CONCACAF finishing. Today we didn't.

We defend like crap. We've defended like crap for the last 25 years and will probably continue to defend like crap for the next 25. 

26 World Cup matches since 1990--2 shutouts. And one of those was against Mexico!

By comparison, England has played 27 World Cup matches since 1990--15 shutouts.

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HarBooYa

July 22nd, 2015 at 10:13 PM ^

Our defense sucks at just the wrong time. Brooks was awful tonight. Alvarado continues to give up big bad plays. Guzman proved He is not ready to take Howard's spot. Between the three of them, that was the story tonight for me, that and kinsman.

I usually love kilnsman's moves but I thought taking Johonson out was questionable and putting yedlin in last instead of right away for bedoya who was done about at 65 minute mark was mistake.

I thought Johnson and Evans were pretty stout. I though johansson continues to impress. I thought beckerman looked like he was showing chinks in his armor and was slow.

Bradley and Dempsey seemed worn down but still put in at least a half of quality play each.

Zardes has been great but tonight was non existent.

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chatster

July 22nd, 2015 at 9:51 PM ^

Jamaica took advantage of their opportunities, The USMNT didn’t. . . . What might’ve been if Aron Jóhannsson’s shot that took Ryan Thompson by surprise in the first half had made its way into the net? Or if Jóhannsson’s header that sailed over the goal in the second half, with the US down 2-1, had instead gone just over his head and landed on Clint Dempsey’s head for a clear shot on an open net near the back post?
 
Last month, many of the players on this Jamaican team (including the goal scorers tonight, Darren Mattocks and Giles Barnes) played in games that mattered in the Copa America tournament. They lost three games there: 1-0 to Uruguay, 1-0 to Paraguay and 1-0 to Argentina (the team that lost in the final to Chile on penalty kicks.) Despite those results, did Copa America serve as a better tuneup for Jamaica than the USMNT’s friendlies in Europe against the B+ sides for the Netherlands and Germany and at home against Guatemala?
 
Most of Jamaica’s players play professionally in either England or MLS.  Despite their FIFA ranking, they’re not some bunch of low-level players. If you follow international track, you know that Jamaica has some pretty good sprinters. Speed on the soccer pitch is important, and this Jamaican team has good speed.
 
Except for what amounted to a “friendly” against Cuba (a team that didn’t get past the second round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifying), this United States team hadn’t played exceptionally well in this Gold Cup tournament.
 
Despite Jürgen Klinsmann’s claim that this would be the most important event for the USMNT in 2015, there was no guarantee that this team would’ve beaten Mexico in a Gold Cup final, so there still would’ve been the possible playoff to reach the Confederations Cup in 2017. And now that playoff game will happen this year.
 
This tournament seemed like Klinsmann’s chance to experiment with players who will have to be the core of the roster that will play in the three legs of the fourth round of CONCACAF World Cup qualifiers that start this fall and run through September 2016.  He used a different eleven to start each game in this Gold Cup, and it may be hard to know who will be on that USMNT roster when those qualifiers start in November.
 
I’ll be interested in seeing how Klinsmann approaches the third place game. The US didn’t look that great in the 1-1 draw with Panama earlier in the Gold Cup. Whether it’s Panama (playing a man down in the semifinal due to a red card to Luis Tejada) or Mexico in the third place game, I think that Klinsmann should treat it like it’s the championship and get his best eleven on the pitch to start.

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Coach Carr Camp

July 23rd, 2015 at 9:13 AM ^

I've been trying to tell people Jamacia is no slouch. Yes, we are better and we expect a win at home, but they are solidly in the second tier of CONCACAF (Tier 1 = USA, Mex, CR). IMO Mexico needing a late PK against a 10 man Panama is far more embarassing  than our loss. I mean, soccer is not even Panama's biggest sport (baseball is by far).  

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HermanDaGerman

July 23rd, 2015 at 1:56 PM ^

Let's not talk up Jamaica too much here.  Jamaica has qualified for the World Cup a grand total of... once.  One time. Une fois.  Ein mal.  Una vez.  

There have been six times as many Jamaican bobled teams at Winter Olympics than Jamaican teams at a World Cup.

This team has never before made it into the final of a Gold Cup.  A tournament held every two years.  And a tournament at which the USA and Mexico routinely send their B squads.

They have a grand total of two players on their team that play in a top tier league.  The best Jamaican player ever is... Ricardo Gardner? Deon Burton?  It would be Raheem Sterling, I suppose, since he was born in Jamaica.

Their best results are what?  Winning the Caribbean Cup a few times?

Jamaica is a slouch, plain and simple.  And we lost.  At home.  With our A team.

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chatster

July 23rd, 2015 at 4:07 PM ^

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

What have you done for me lately?

Last night, the Jamaican team's past performances in international competitions, as well as their record against the United States, were not indicative of the game's results.

Is the loss going to be considered the worst ever sufferd by the USMNT on American soil? Is it comparable to what Michigan football fans call "The Horror?" Is it as bad a loss as the Soviet Union's ice hockey team suffered in the semifinals of the 1980 Olympic Ice Hockey tournament? Maybe.

But I don't think that THIS Jamaican team can be considered a bunch of slouches, just as I don't think that the 2007 Michigan football team consisted of a bunch of slouches, or the 1980 Soviet Union's ice hockey team was made up of a bunch of slouches.

And for those who may think that this was the worst loss ever suffered by Jurgen Klinsmann on American soil, they'd probably be wrong.  I was in the stands at the old Giants Stadium for the quarterfinal match between Bulgaria and the heavily favored German team in the 1994 World Cup.  THAT probably was the worst loss sufferd by Klinsmann on American soil.

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