[Title edited/đź”’Thread locked @10 am] Is there an athletic department more fueled by HaterAid & Hater Tots than Michigan State?
It seems like in every single sport that they play that somebody is doing some sort of cheap shot or illegal activity. Off the top of my head I can remember Tropp and Conboy's attack on Steve Kampfer, the Tunnel assault/gang up, the Dantonio march down the field during Michigan's allotted practice time, Draymond attacking Poole, the MSU coaches calling for their players to go for Corum's knees, Izzo protecting multiple players accused of rape, MSU football players being driven from the jail to the field to play a game at Iowa in 2010, Jacob Panusiak's late hits, Denard's head being twisted. I am sure that there is more but I almost prefer Ohio State to them. At least you know that they play the game between the whistles and don't really goon it up as much.
[Cleaned up the OP's title, folks ---we're not going to display a thread title containing any form of the word "thug".
Why?
1) it's a highly-charged term with definite racial connotations.
2) It's long been addressed by Brian in the MGoBoard FAQ section:
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/mgoboard-faq
" ...we do ask that you avoid offensive language. If someone corrects your language (e.g. please don't use "thug" due to racial overtones) try to respect that."
-rob f]
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[2nd edit Sunday 10 am: Unfortunately there are a few involved in this thread who persist in continued denial that languages evolve. Bottom line: The fact that the word "thug" (and its variations) now has very real negative racial connotations has been recognized for several years; OTOH the recognition of this fact does NOT make one racist.
And because the temperature of the argument continues to rise despite numerous attempts by reasonable MGoUsers to intervene, I'm forced to act.
Rather than allow the fruitless tit-for-tat to continue unabated, I'm locking the thread down. -rob f]
mooseman
December 10th, 2022 at 10:50 PM ^
In addition:
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Charlesdesmond
December 10th, 2022 at 11:03 PM ^
Not a great time to point fingers when we've had our recent problems. The gun incident is problematic to me. College kids carrying guns is not good. The 30 round mag doesn't make sense for self defense either. All programs have issues. Spartans definitely have their share.
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Girlbleedsblue
December 11th, 2022 at 1:44 AM ^
You can take a lot out of the OP list of grievances and still have plenty of examples of their teams working out their inferiority complex on other people. What Mazi did was stupid but it’s not like he was pistol whipping someone during or directly after a game.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:24 AM ^
This is a bad response and you should feel bad for typing it.
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uferfan
December 10th, 2022 at 11:03 PM ^
Mark ass marks, trick ass marks, punk bitches and skip skap skanks and skallywags, hoes, heffers, hee haws and hoolie hoos…..
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matty blue
December 11th, 2022 at 7:39 AM ^
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YoOoBoMoLloRoHo
December 11th, 2022 at 9:00 AM ^
Taggart: Could you repeat that, sir?
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ThadMattasagoblin
December 10th, 2022 at 11:01 PM ^
It wasn't directed at Black athletes. It was directed at both black and white athletes. Half of the incidents I mentioned didn't involve Black athletes. Today, most of the people in the hockey game were white.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:08 PM ^
That's the hill you're going to die on? It WAS directed at young black male athletes. It wasn't ONLY directed at young black male athletes, but you still chose to call young black men, one of the most marginalized groups in society, a racial slur.
You can try to continue justifying your using racial slurs by insisting that it's not racist because not all of the people you referred to with a racial slur are black, or you can pick better, more accurate, less offensive terminology that doesn't make you look racist.
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I'mTheStig
December 10th, 2022 at 11:10 PM ^
It's only racist to people like you that look for outrage in everything -- and then when you cannot find it, you manufacture it.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:23 PM ^
Tell me you have no clue what racism is without telling me you have no clue what racism is.
Don't you have a cross burning or a lynching to attend with the rest of your Klan friends?
Fuck off back to Stormfront.
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ThadMattasagoblin
December 10th, 2022 at 11:41 PM ^
Dude calm down. Nobody called anyone the n word or any horrible word like that. It wasn't meant to be racist. I'm as liberal as anyone can be.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:45 PM ^
Oh! Well then. There's never, ever, ever been a person who identifies as a liberal that's racist. Hillary Clinton definitely never referred to young black men as "superpredators." Great argument, Cicero.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:27 AM ^
"Tell me you have no clue what racism is without telling me you have no clue what racism is. "
Ok, go immediately read YOUR post before this.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 8:43 AM ^
You're right there with him in the racist boat. Thanks for letting us know that you're a bigot too, you can't put the mask back on after this. 4chan misses you.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:46 AM ^
Your the one whos mind immediately goes to black people when you read the word thug.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 8:55 AM ^
You're. It's a contraction. Could you at least try not to be blisteringly ignorant?
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 9:12 AM ^
What's the matter, don't have a real response?
OoooaOOoOoOooh, calling out typos.
Could you at least try not to be blisteringly racist?
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Walmart Wolverine
December 11th, 2022 at 8:59 AM ^
For a lot of us who are older "thug" has no racial connotation. I only recently learned that as a word it is out of bounds. Thankfully never a part of my vernacular.
Getting defensive when you use a word and learn that is is offensive is never a winning strategy. "Thug" isn't a word any of us should be using any more, but it doesn't make anyone who uses it in ignorance a bad person. Just take the L, give the mea culpa and move on.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 9:15 AM ^
If your mind immediately goes to "black people" when you hear the word thug then you're a racist.
There's no "L" for me to take because I'm not wrong.
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Walmart Wolverine
December 11th, 2022 at 9:35 AM ^
You do you.
It isn't an easy lesson to accept that language I've used was hurtful to people. You don't know me and I don't know you, but if you insist on using the word "thug" rather than dozens of more socially acceptable alternatives your messaging will suffer. That goes for any number of words that might have once been acceptable but now have harmful connotations and are better avoided.
If I were to say "I'm going to pinch a fag" people who don't know better might call the FBI.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 9:40 AM ^
I think maybe you should re-read this because I'm not insisting on using the word.
I'm just pointing out who's really trying hard to cover up their own personal racism with personal attacks and projection.
And, TBH, the last time I heard the word "thug" used in normal conversation off of the internet it was a black man describing a us naval ship crew.
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ThadMattasagoblin
December 10th, 2022 at 11:36 PM ^
It's not a racial slur. Anyway, I called their athletic department thuggish and not any individual player.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:42 PM ^
The numerous links that I've posted outline why that isn't the case. Your refusing to admit that thug is a racial slur is not the same as that word not actually being a racial slur. Sorry, not sorry. Do better.
I didn't think you meant to be racist until you started channeling Bill O'Reilly and getting defensive to this extent. That word has an ugly history whether that's what you mean personally or not. You can acknowledge that and grow as a person, or you can live in denial and look for people to soothe your wounded confirmation bias and fragile ego.
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ThadMattasagoblin
December 10th, 2022 at 11:49 PM ^
Context matters. If you are calling a kid walking in somebody's neighborhood a thug, you shouldn't do that. If you think that calling an entire athletic department of thousands of people thuggish makes you a card carrying KKK member, then I am going to have to disagree there.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:55 PM ^
Yes. Exactly. Context matters, so you should pick a word that isn't tinged with centuries of racial history instead of hiding behind your supposed intent or the fact that not everyone you called a thug is black, because neither matter at all.
The more you dig in, the more racist you look.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:38 AM ^
You're the one who immediately thinks of black people when someone says thug.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 12:42 AM ^
"It was directed at both black and white athletes."
"I called their athletic department thuggish and not any individual player"
Hilarious. Only one of these can be true, you know.
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Darker Blue
December 11th, 2022 at 5:35 AM ^
Jesus why don't you make a bigger mountain out of a molehill....
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kalamazoo
December 11th, 2022 at 1:11 AM ^
If anyone else can upvote the rest of the MGoBlaze posts to get above zero, I would appreciate it.
I love Michigan, and do think MSU is very unsportsmanlike, but vehemently oppose the word thugs due to its connotation.
MGoBlaze is pretty adamant and there is a way to soften the language, but deep inside I support his view and think time is now on this blog to stop defending the word thug on this blog.
You can still love Michigan and be gloriously happy we have better team culture.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 1:17 AM ^
Respect. Thank you.
Recruits read this message board. Former and plausibly current players read this message board. This place helped get Dave Brandon fired. The words we use on here have consequences far beyond the discussion at hand and optics matter.
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Mr. Elbel
December 11th, 2022 at 7:36 AM ^
I tried. Though it seems that even after the thread title was corrected and some comments were amended people still don’t get it.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:29 AM ^
You're just wrong.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 8:45 AM ^
Nobody cares what you think, Hannity. You're probably still mad that black people can sit next to you at a restaurant.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 9:17 AM ^
Ironic considering you're the one who thinks of black people when they hear the word thug.
You can keep projecting all you what but it's not going to change that you're the racist one here.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 9:20 AM ^
Define racism and cite your sources.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 9:27 AM ^
Explain why you immediately think of black people when you hear the word thug.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 9:02 AM ^
Racists are frequently intentionally obtuse in order to avoid self-reflection. If they weren't stupid by nature, they wouldn't be racists.
Of course none of this is unexpected. I'd rather be the one to rock the boat until the racists fall off than to let people keep using dog whistles for the other bigots. The cream rises to the top.
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I'mTheStig
December 10th, 2022 at 11:09 PM ^
Shut up.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:26 PM ^
No. Stop being an apologist for racism.
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MaizeandBlueBleeder
December 10th, 2022 at 11:14 PM ^
Where do you get that it’s assumed a thug is referring to a specific race? Look up the definition. I did and this is what I get when I Googled it.
“a violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal.“
The only person I think of when I hear “thug” is anyone associated with Moo U.
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:22 PM ^
That's a fair question, thanks for asking.
https://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug
"Well, the truth is that thug today is a nominally polite way of using the N-word. Many people suspect it, and they are correct. When somebody talks about thugs ruining a place, it is almost impossible today that they are referring to somebody with blond hair. It is a sly way of saying there go those black people ruining things again. And so anybody who wonders whether thug is becoming the new N-word doesn't need to. It's most certainly is."
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:29 PM ^
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5004736/
"
Misconceptions and prejudices manufactured and disseminated through various channels such as the media included references to a “brute” image of Black males. In the 21st century, this negative imagery of Black males has frequently utilized the negative connotation of the terminology “thug.” In recent years, law enforcement agencies have unreasonably used deadly force on Black males allegedly considered to be “suspects” or “persons of interest.” The exploitation of these often-targeted victims' criminal records, physical appearances, or misperceived attributes has been used to justify their unlawful deaths. Despite the connection between disproportionate criminality and Black masculinity, little research has been done on how unarmed Black male victims, particularly but not exclusively at the hands of law enforcement, have been posthumously criminalized."
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MgoBlaze
December 10th, 2022 at 11:31 PM ^
https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/thug-tupac-racism-language-reappropriation-20190417.html
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/2014/02/13/thug-is-an-easily-translated-code-word/5464895/
"The point is, the words we use are often encoded with racial presumptions. Thus, your image of a California girl is more likely to resemble Farrah Fawcett (born in Corpus Christi) than Tyra Banks (born in Los Angeles) and your idea of a prodigy will not include Phiona Mutesi, a teenage chess champ from Uganda."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-thug-language-dan-roan-race-zorn-20210302-fogeavnebnc5hcgbtbt5ps7ndy-story.html
If "thug" was an innocuous term, Beilein wouldn't have alienated the locker room in Cleveland. The fact that it did the damage that it did to his relationship to the team should both tell you how young black men feel about being called thugs and inform you further of the racial context that you are obviously consciously ignoring in favor of just admitting that you fucked up.
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Amaizing Blue
December 11th, 2022 at 12:58 AM ^
Please give us another 25 posts or so on this. Until you do, I won't be sure how you feel or what your point is.
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MgoBlaze
December 11th, 2022 at 2:44 AM ^
I'm not sure you'll ever get it with that attitude.
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Darker Blue
December 11th, 2022 at 5:36 AM ^
You are not the victim here
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Mr. Elbel
December 11th, 2022 at 7:39 AM ^
hey, he’s lost a solid 100 or so mgopoints from all the negs. that’s the true consequence.
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matty blue
December 11th, 2022 at 7:28 AM ^
i don’t think that the OP necessarily used the word as a slur, per se.
that said, i think we can all think of words of words or phrases that are not, by simple definition, racially charged, but carry clear racial overtones. even something as simple as saying a team has a bunch of inner-city kids implies something but isn’t overtly, specifically racist.
the point being there’s no reason not to be careful, or to accept correction. clear communication benefits everyone.
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Papabearblue2
December 11th, 2022 at 8:42 AM ^
The people you are referring to think the word "thug" means "black people".
Just think about that for a minute.
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