One thing I do agree with that commenter about: "If Urban Meyer were a graduate assistant in the English department, on the same facts, this would have been a non-event."
That is true. If he were a graduate assistant in the English department he would have been immediately fired and nobody would care or even know about it.
Here is a perfect example of an awful fan. An awful human being actually. The only comment on Land-Grant Holy Land's article with the entire actual report.
I think this is justified, but the fact that it seems like a mob mentality could be the problem.
I'm just quesitoning if the administration/president will see this as a mob flare up, or a short term problem to hunker down and make it through, an "us against them" mentality. I'm not familiar with Schlissel, but I'm just putting that out there as a possibility, because I see things like that happen. Especially in sports.
Any chance that all this attention will just look like a mob to the administration? And they'll not want to be overly reactionary? They will weather the storm, and reevaluate at a later time? Or even worse, they'll stick by Brandon/Hoke to "defend their own" or because they won't give into a mob?
Some do seem to be enjoying this too much. A bit of a mob mentality.
I don't wish Brandon ill in the future with whatever he does, I just don't want that to have anything to do with UM. He did the best he knows how (with the possible exception of the past few days), but it's just not the right fit here.
But I'm still not sure why. Even when he first signed a contract, I was wondering why we had to pay so much for someone who would have "walked to Michigan"
1. This is already a huge black mark on his career. Not really the first. We hope to make it the last.
2. He'll be ok. He can never get another job, and he'll still be ok.
3. Plenty of others have lost their jobs (Jon Falk, Bruce Madej, etc), and while they weren't "fired" I'd still be more worried about them.
4. How about Madej for the next AD? Maybe he doesn't have the administrative/executive skills, but he sure does know what Michigan should be, and how it should be run. Would have handled this way better than Brandon has.
I do think that we need to get more than just Brian to run as regent. Maybe get the mgoblog community behind several candidates (not necessarily all blog members or moderators). Even if Brian does run/win, it'll be hard to make a difference if it's just him vs all the normal regent types.
Coach, you've been giving the same answers, to the same questions, about the same problems for over a year now. Why should anyone expect things to change this time?
3. Keep the things that make the college football experience different (and in my opinion better) than the pro football experience. This includes things the band playing music, not piped in music.
4. Incentives to showing up on time, such as have been suggested by Brian and others on this site. Not incentive such as a t-shirt, which I believe they actually tried.
What would it take, and what are the odds of success, of any effort to oust him? Maybe some pressure/petitions/campaign from alumni, current students, fans, former athletes. He clearly has no clue about anything other than money, but I'm sure we could find someone who can also make money, but can do so without ruining everything that makes UM and college sports so special.
When I first came to this site, the comments were almost as good as the main articles. There were very insightful, and respecful people, it was a (mostly) friendly community. I often learned as much or more from the comments than I did from anything Brian wrote (no offense to him, because his stuff has always been great, but that's how just how great it used to be).
There were also great tangents, conversations that just went way off the rails, but in a good way (the isn't it ironic discussions, etc) instead of in a personal attack way. I read most of the comments on most posts becuase that was part of the fun.
That has really changed. I now usually skip the comments becuase it's mostly bad, and it takes a lot to sort though the crap to find the gems, and it's not worth it.
I know part of it is just because of is a curse of success, the more people come, the more likely there are bad apples. But I hope part of it is the moderation system, voting, etc, and we can at least get some improvement.
So, I guess I'm saying thanks Brian. Thanks for everything you do for the site, and thanks for trying to make is the best it can be.
Are part of what made me love this site. You know, in addition to the great analysis and (what used to be and hopefully will again) insightful comments...
I was wondering about the Nebraska post that statistically showed officiating bias against them in the Big 12. I'd love to see that, and see something show statistical bias toward/against all the B1G teams.
I keep hearing other fanbases complain that Michigan gets all the calls, but I always notice the calls go against us. Fan bias, I know, but would be nice to see if true.
Though obviously I'm too lazy to do any of this myself...
Why not ask some form of the Brian vs spacecoyote debate? Like "How much of the execution problem is that the players are not being put in a position to succeed or not preparing them properly?" I wouldn't expect an illuminating answer, but it's not like we're getting that anyway.
My first reaction to reading this story was "So what?" The NCAA doesn't need to live up to legal standards of evidence. They obviously didn't in previous cases (PSU, USC). Not sure why they suddenly need to start now.
I'm not saying this investigation, and especially the NCAA, don't have other major issues, but this seems like a non-issue.
Hailey is a retreiver/chow mix. She is old and crochety.
Bo is a rott/chow mix. She is the best dog ever. Her only flaw is that she sometimes barks/snaps at strangers.
Lloyd is a great dane. Still a puppy, so we're not entirely sure of her personality.
We plan to keep up this trend with our future pets. Yes, they're all girls, and we gave them boy names. We couldn't think of any Michigan related girl names that actually sounded good.
Most people don't know what college football will really be like once a playoff is instituted. I don't either, but I think that it won't be the rosy picture that most paint it to be. And once you go playoff you can't go back.
I also agree with steelymax and st barth. So what if we don't get a "true" national champion? Some years nobody deserves that title. Some years multiple teams might.
Anti-playoff proponents of the world unite!!!!
(and remember that anti-playoff is not pro-BCS. I'm not in favor of playoffs, but I do think the BCS as well as the current method of scheduling (scheduling cupcakes, which I believe is caused in part by the current BCS system) need to be improved)
I think we can get the Big Ten officials to ignore the benefits (increased revenue from a title game, larger footprint, etc) in favor of a game that has only lived up to it's billing once in the last several years.
As stated in many comments above, people ask for links so they can judge the accuracy of statements for themselves. Knowing what the opinions are based on allows a person to form their own opions. This is a better system than just accepting or rejecting the opinion for no reason.
Second, a comment about your posting style:
You seem to rub a lot of people on the board the wrong way. I believe this is for a couple reasons.
1. You try to be too funny, and you're not as funny as you think you are. For example, using "axe" for "ask" is not funny or clever, it's just annoying. You also use absurd "examples" as an attempt at humor. For example, your Rich Rod giving Sentreal Henderson $500 quote in the OP. Occasionally something like this is funny. However, you take it to extreme, and do it too often, and usually it ends up being annoying.
2. When you're not failing at being funny, you're being purposely annoying. You seem to enjoy the negative attention. If it is true that you are/were KOB, then that's even more support fot this statement.
Is it really that hard to just write a simple post? In this case, you could have just written "I don't believe that every opinion post needs to be backed up with a link. Some things are truly just opinion, and I feel that asking for links has gotten out of hand." People could then agree or disagree with that statement, instead of focusing on you personally.
I had problems creating that diary. For some reason it wouldn't accept the "Treehugger - Forcier/Barkley Chat Room" and kept leaving that out as a choice.
And it apparently left some choices off of other polls as well.
That thought crossed my mind, but I'm not familiar with setting up online polls. The (limited) research I did, I didn't notice how to not show results. Maybe I should play around with some sites, and see what I can set up. Any suggestions on sites?
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Well crap. This was supposed to go to the board, not diaries.
One thing I do agree with that commenter about: "If Urban Meyer were a graduate assistant in the English department, on the same facts, this would have been a non-event."
That is true. If he were a graduate assistant in the English department he would have been immediately fired and nobody would care or even know about it.
Here is a perfect example of an awful fan. An awful human being actually. The only comment on Land-Grant Holy Land's article with the entire actual report.
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/8/23/17757500/ohio-state-urban-meyer-report-independent-investigation-findings
Adding screenshots of comment in case someone there deletes this awful crap.
Could you point/link to any of these?
I have not seen them. Partly because I refused to read his work in the last few years as I tried to avoid feeding trolls.
what was the category for his INT vs ND last year, where he chucked it up to avoid a sack in the end zone?
Which was worse?
"he had Butt popping wide open" ""
I've been wondering if there is negative side to the Heininger Certainty Principle that nobody has really commented on...
While it seems to raise the floor of the d-line to competent-to-good, does it also lower the ceiling so that it's never elite?
Or does it only apply to improved performance against the run, while sacrificing pass pressure?
double post
I signed the petition. I think he needs to go.
I think this is justified, but the fact that it seems like a mob mentality could be the problem.
I'm just quesitoning if the administration/president will see this as a mob flare up, or a short term problem to hunker down and make it through, an "us against them" mentality. I'm not familiar with Schlissel, but I'm just putting that out there as a possibility, because I see things like that happen. Especially in sports.
Any chance that all this attention will just look like a mob to the administration? And they'll not want to be overly reactionary? They will weather the storm, and reevaluate at a later time? Or even worse, they'll stick by Brandon/Hoke to "defend their own" or because they won't give into a mob?
Not saying it will/won't, but just wondering.
Considering the things they've written/posted in the last couple days, I don't think that's an issue.
Some do seem to be enjoying this too much. A bit of a mob mentality.
I don't wish Brandon ill in the future with whatever he does, I just don't want that to have anything to do with UM. He did the best he knows how (with the possible exception of the past few days), but it's just not the right fit here.
But I'm still not sure why. Even when he first signed a contract, I was wondering why we had to pay so much for someone who would have "walked to Michigan"
1. This is already a huge black mark on his career. Not really the first. We hope to make it the last.
2. He'll be ok. He can never get another job, and he'll still be ok.
3. Plenty of others have lost their jobs (Jon Falk, Bruce Madej, etc), and while they weren't "fired" I'd still be more worried about them.
4. How about Madej for the next AD? Maybe he doesn't have the administrative/executive skills, but he sure does know what Michigan should be, and how it should be run. Would have handled this way better than Brandon has.
I do think that we need to get more than just Brian to run as regent. Maybe get the mgoblog community behind several candidates (not necessarily all blog members or moderators). Even if Brian does run/win, it'll be hard to make a difference if it's just him vs all the normal regent types.
Coach, you've been giving the same answers, to the same questions, about the same problems for over a year now. Why should anyone expect things to change this time?
1. Schedule teams people want to watch
2. Don't ruin atmosphere with ads and bad music
3. Keep the things that make the college football experience different (and in my opinion better) than the pro football experience. This includes things the band playing music, not piped in music.
4. Incentives to showing up on time, such as have been suggested by Brian and others on this site. Not incentive such as a t-shirt, which I believe they actually tried.
What would it take, and what are the odds of success, of any effort to oust him? Maybe some pressure/petitions/campaign from alumni, current students, fans, former athletes. He clearly has no clue about anything other than money, but I'm sure we could find someone who can also make money, but can do so without ruining everything that makes UM and college sports so special.
I'll get it started, please add as necessary. Maybe some part of these can become "official"
1. Don't be a dick.
2. No personal attacks.
3. If your post adds nothing, don't post.
4. If 5 other people just said the same thing you are about to say, then don't say it.
5a. It is possible to disagree with respect. In fact, it is now mandatory.
5b. If someone is disagreeing with you, it is not necessarily a personal attack. Do not react as if it is.
Mild sarcasm is ok, but situations like that went way too far, and happened too often.
And once someone responds with appropriate sarcasm or humor, we don't need 15 other people to pile on.
When I first came to this site, the comments were almost as good as the main articles. There were very insightful, and respecful people, it was a (mostly) friendly community. I often learned as much or more from the comments than I did from anything Brian wrote (no offense to him, because his stuff has always been great, but that's how just how great it used to be).
There were also great tangents, conversations that just went way off the rails, but in a good way (the isn't it ironic discussions, etc) instead of in a personal attack way. I read most of the comments on most posts becuase that was part of the fun.
That has really changed. I now usually skip the comments becuase it's mostly bad, and it takes a lot to sort though the crap to find the gems, and it's not worth it.
I know part of it is just because of is a curse of success, the more people come, the more likely there are bad apples. But I hope part of it is the moderation system, voting, etc, and we can at least get some improvement.
So, I guess I'm saying thanks Brian. Thanks for everything you do for the site, and thanks for trying to make is the best it can be.
Are part of what made me love this site. You know, in addition to the great analysis and (what used to be and hopefully will again) insightful comments...
I was wondering about the Nebraska post that statistically showed officiating bias against them in the Big 12. I'd love to see that, and see something show statistical bias toward/against all the B1G teams.
I keep hearing other fanbases complain that Michigan gets all the calls, but I always notice the calls go against us. Fan bias, I know, but would be nice to see if true.
Though obviously I'm too lazy to do any of this myself...
That's what she said?
(Sorry, couldn't resist)
I'd love to have every question list who asked it, not just the mgoquestions
Why not ask some form of the Brian vs spacecoyote debate? Like "How much of the execution problem is that the players are not being put in a position to succeed or not preparing them properly?" I wouldn't expect an illuminating answer, but it's not like we're getting that anyway.
My first reaction to reading this story was "So what?" The NCAA doesn't need to live up to legal standards of evidence. They obviously didn't in previous cases (PSU, USC). Not sure why they suddenly need to start now.
I'm not saying this investigation, and especially the NCAA, don't have other major issues, but this seems like a non-issue.
Yeah, that's been working out well for the Lions pretty well for the last 40-50 years.
That poor grammar is NOT ACCEPTABLE at Michigan.
All the good players would go to 1 team or a couple of good teams. All of the other teams would have no chance.
What about when a player gets injured? What do they get paid?
I'm no Shredder, but I had to try.
We have 3 dogs: Hailey, Bo, and Lloyd.
Hailey is a retreiver/chow mix. She is old and crochety.
Bo is a rott/chow mix. She is the best dog ever. Her only flaw is that she sometimes barks/snaps at strangers.
Lloyd is a great dane. Still a puppy, so we're not entirely sure of her personality.
We plan to keep up this trend with our future pets. Yes, they're all girls, and we gave them boy names. We couldn't think of any Michigan related girl names that actually sounded good.
How do you know Tiger doesn't have a weakness for clay as well? I'd like to see how his game changes on a clay golf course.
Most people don't know what college football will really be like once a playoff is instituted. I don't either, but I think that it won't be the rosy picture that most paint it to be. And once you go playoff you can't go back.
I also agree with steelymax and st barth. So what if we don't get a "true" national champion? Some years nobody deserves that title. Some years multiple teams might.
Anti-playoff proponents of the world unite!!!!
(and remember that anti-playoff is not pro-BCS. I'm not in favor of playoffs, but I do think the BCS as well as the current method of scheduling (scheduling cupcakes, which I believe is caused in part by the current BCS system) need to be improved)
Don't think they could pull ND.
If ND were going to join a conference, then I think the Big Ten would be their best fit. More rivalries, better revenue, etc.
I think we can get the Big Ten officials to ignore the benefits (increased revenue from a title game, larger footprint, etc) in favor of a game that has only lived up to it's billing once in the last several years.
The Speed Conference? (so we could compete with the SEC)
The Bigger Than You Conference? (if we add more than 1 team we can become the largest conference in the country)
The Bad at Counting Conference? (this may clash with our academic standards)
I know someone on the board can come up with better names.
My suggestions from the simalar topic on the board:
The Extra Large Dozen?
The Bigger Than You 12?
The Big Ten Plus Still Larger Than Average 2?
The Extra Large Dozen?
The Bigger Than You 12?
The Big Ten Plus Still Larger Than Average 2
Will the conference finally change the name?
Or will it still be the Big Ten? And if so, how will it incorporate a 12 into the logo like it incorporated an 11 before?
I want 21 5-stars and 7 4-stars.
Or maybe 4 7-stars and 5-21 stars?
I appreciate the well reasoned response, and now understand where you're coming from better.
+1, and hopefully this will make you laugh: "farting boner"
First, a comment about your post:
As stated in many comments above, people ask for links so they can judge the accuracy of statements for themselves. Knowing what the opinions are based on allows a person to form their own opions. This is a better system than just accepting or rejecting the opinion for no reason.
Second, a comment about your posting style:
You seem to rub a lot of people on the board the wrong way. I believe this is for a couple reasons.
1. You try to be too funny, and you're not as funny as you think you are. For example, using "axe" for "ask" is not funny or clever, it's just annoying. You also use absurd "examples" as an attempt at humor. For example, your Rich Rod giving Sentreal Henderson $500 quote in the OP. Occasionally something like this is funny. However, you take it to extreme, and do it too often, and usually it ends up being annoying.
2. When you're not failing at being funny, you're being purposely annoying. You seem to enjoy the negative attention. If it is true that you are/were KOB, then that's even more support fot this statement.
Is it really that hard to just write a simple post? In this case, you could have just written "I don't believe that every opinion post needs to be backed up with a link. Some things are truly just opinion, and I feel that asking for links has gotten out of hand." People could then agree or disagree with that statement, instead of focusing on you personally.
I think you're trying just a little too hard to be funny. A little less rambling and a couple fewer obscure references and you might have it.
The players should have NO say in a decision about where they will have to go and where they will have to play?
I agree they shouldn't be the only voice in the decision, but their opinions should at least be considered.
I had problems creating that diary. For some reason it wouldn't accept the "Treehugger - Forcier/Barkley Chat Room" and kept leaving that out as a choice.
And it apparently left some choices off of other polls as well.
Damn, this is not going well.
Any suggestions?
I fixed the poll links at least.
Sorry for the initial problems. I'm trying to do this all during lunch at work.
Why are the links not links?
That thought crossed my mind, but I'm not familiar with setting up online polls. The (limited) research I did, I didn't notice how to not show results. Maybe I should play around with some sites, and see what I can set up. Any suggestions on sites?
King of Belch was nominated as comback poster of the year.
Considering that he has now been banned, should he be disqualified?
I'm leaning toward yes, unless someone can convince me otherwise.