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09/18/2018 - 10:38am Can someone post what the…

Can someone post what the actual fucking post was or say what thread it was in.

09/18/2018 - 10:21am I think its fair to admit…

I think its fair to admit that based off early season results it seems like big ten offenses were/are complete trash which inflated the opinion of big ten defenses. How many wide receivers like Proche are there in the big ten? Only OSU has guys like that and they torched our db's on crossing routes last year too in the second half. Meanwhile every big 12 and sec team has guys like that. 

Our defense is still good, but it isn't nationally elite like playing a row of shit big ten offenses implies.

09/18/2018 - 10:18am Our new play caller is the…

Our new play caller is the head coach who has been on the staff for 4 years. A little different situation. Yes we outplayed PSU in 2016, we were a legitimate top 10 senior heavy team playing at home against a very young team dealing with a ton of injuries and learning a brand new system. I sure as shit hope we would out play them.

They are not an illustrative example as to what our team can do this year. Our tackles aren't bad because of a coaching switch or being too young early in the season, they are bad because they aren't good enough. We also don't have a Saquan Barkley on offense who can make up for poor line play individually.

09/18/2018 - 9:29am First, what did he say?

First, what did he say?

Second, PSU in 2016 had massive injuries  when they played us they didn't have a single starting linebacker healthy. They were also breaking in a new coach with a completely new offensive philosophy along with a first time starter. There are a lot of difference you can point to that explain the poor start. Just because you don't like what someone says doesn't make it not true. This team isn't that good and barring an upset will likely finish with around 8 wins and 3rd in the east again.

09/17/2018 - 4:51pm Because Jordan Glasgow isn't…

Because Jordan Glasgow isn't Hudson athletically and there is nothing you can scheme to make that not true.

Elite defenses are filled with elite athletes. 

09/17/2018 - 4:49pm I was at that game. If that…

I was at that game. If that is your takeaway that just feels like something to gripe about.

People always remember things more positively than they happened. Its part of the human experience. Its incredibly unlikely the game experience was some massively superior product in the 90's, you just remember it more fondly. Game length times have only increased like 15-20 minutes. Are you really telling me 15 minutes is the difference between a great experience and a shit one?

09/17/2018 - 4:06pm I mean that's great but I…

I mean that's great but I guess the coaches just decided to treat the ND game like an exhibition game.

09/17/2018 - 3:41pm Seems really high to me…

Seems really high to me. Nebraska is #2 in the country in sacks, I'd expect Martinez to play, which given how Michigan's defense looked without Hudson makes me very nervous for the first half of that game. Throw in Evans likely being out (it looked like a hamstring not a cramp) and I could see a close game through the 3rd quarter without too much trouble. Nebraska might be 0-2 but they could just as easily be 2-0, they aren't that bad.

09/17/2018 - 3:38pm Yeah I get that, and I don't…

Yeah I get that, and I don't think I would go to 8 games a year even if I lived in Ann Arbor but that is just about not prioritizing football over life and not a commentary on the gameday vs at home experience. Going to a Michigan bar for a 4 hour game is still most of my Saturday, if I wanted to go out on a jetski I wouldn't be watching the game at home either.  Outside of sever weather (and I count extreme heat as severe weather) I'd always rather watch the game at Michigan if I am choosing to watch the game.

It sounds like the SMU game sucked, it was extremely hot, a bad reffing crew, enough mistakes from the team to make it unejoyable, but still a rote win against a team nobody cares about. That is obviously a recipe for disaster but I wouldn't then expand that to all games at the stadium.

09/17/2018 - 3:01pm I don't understand this. The…

I don't understand this. The joy of sports is the unpredictability and camraderie of it. So either you are turning yourself off from all media updates or already know the outcome ruining the game. Plus you don't get to watch with other people and enjoy being with them. Just defeats the entire purpose of sports to me but to each his own I guess.

To me complaining about going to a game is like when people complain a Zingermans sandwich is too expensive. When attending a football game the actual product on the field is only a portion of the experience. Its about being in Ann Arbor on a gameday and feeling the excitement and buzz of the crowd. Being with friends on the golf course and walking down Hoover with tens of thousands of people, its about being in the stadium and being part of the atmosphere of the game etc. I have a large number of friends who give zero fucks about sports except for Michigan football because of those pieces of the experience. Living out of of state I'm lucky to make it back for 1 game and am incredibly envious of those who get to go to more. I get it that a game or two can suck experience wise but its only because you also get to go to the 5 or 6 where it doesn't. 

09/17/2018 - 10:49am The fact that we didn't see…

The fact that we didn't see the backup tackles in this game tells us how close the staff thinks the competition is. If you aren't willing to put them in against SMU up 2 scores you aren't willing to put them in when it matters and thus they aren't close to starting. Think it might be time to accept these are the tackles.

09/17/2018 - 9:22am It looks to me like he is…

It looks to me like he is telling him to get off the field not just motioning him to move. It still seems like a fuck up but for a seemingly different reason.

09/17/2018 - 7:53am Osu is the home town school…

Osu is the home town school and moms choice.

psu is the school he has described as feeling like a family and Franklin is the coach he has been most effusive about. When describing how he felt about Michigan he compared it directly back to psu. Look at wiltfongs comments about how if psu was in Columbus he would already be committed there.

so to me it’s psu if he wants to leave home, osu if he doesn’t. Neither results in a Michigan commit 

09/17/2018 - 7:32am I feel bad for anyone…

I feel bad for anyone getting their hopes up in this recruitment. Michigan is more likely third than first in this one.

09/16/2018 - 10:26pm Zone is the easiest way. 

Zone is the easiest way. 

The more difficult answer that would allow Brown to play his best style is just amazing communication between the db's to switch players at the mesh point. That is what was supposed to happen on the busted coverage td but they both went with one guy which is the danger.  Its also part of why we are recruiting very similar db's across the board, allows them to cover when they switch without it resulting in size or speed mismatches. Its like going with a positionless all switch defense in basketball that's made golden state's defense so elite.

09/16/2018 - 2:13pm Evans just needs an actual…

Evans just needs an actual running back coach and not a nepotism hire to teach him popular pass blocking technique

09/16/2018 - 2:13pm Evans just needs an actual…

Evans just needs an actual running back coach and not a nepotism hire to teach him popular pass blocking technique

09/16/2018 - 2:11pm No he shouldn’t but Evans…

No he shouldn’t but Evans probably pulled a hamstring yesterday and will likely be out so he will get his shot along with Samuels.

herbert needs to work on that stretching and healthy muscles. Can’t just bulk up.

09/15/2018 - 9:21pm If your head making contact…

If your head making contact with their head is the first contact it’s going to get called. He turned his body but his head still hit first 

09/15/2018 - 9:20pm Not having Hudson against an…

Not having Hudson against an edge happy running qb  team for a half next week is going to be tough.

jordan Glasgow isn’t in the same realm of player 

09/15/2018 - 9:18pm Seems like Hudson and…

Seems like Hudson and mayfield are still a ways away from starting. Biggest pass blocking problem was Evans (might be nice to get an actual rb coach to teach him) but the ol still didn’t look great.

09/15/2018 - 9:13pm It’s somewhat clear a lot of…

It’s somewhat clear a lot of the big ten is overrated by how terrible all the offenses were last year. Our d is good but it’s not tops in the country good, playing bad wide receivers and qbs made all of msu, Wisconsin, and us look better than we really were.

09/15/2018 - 6:54pm Also apparently this is the…

Also apparently this is the offensive line we are rolling with. Which fuck me

09/15/2018 - 6:49pm Real bad news good news…

Real bad news good news situation. 

Bad news we suck.

Good news, so does the big ten.

09/15/2018 - 6:42pm You have to switch on that…

You have to switch on that play. Nothing hill can do

09/15/2018 - 4:50pm Also bye bye daxton hill

Also bye bye daxton hill

09/15/2018 - 4:49pm Maybe this will convince the…

Maybe this will convince the coaching staff that what they are doing isn’t working since losing to Nd didn’t do it. 

It didn’t work last year against shit teams last year but maybe this team will actually learn something.

09/15/2018 - 2:58pm If you enjoy Michigan’s wine…

If you enjoy Michigan’s wine and cheese quietest 100k you’ll ever hear reputation I guess 3:30 games work.

if you like having any sort of meaningful home field advantage and a crowd that impresses literally anyone for recruits a night game is infinitely superior.

09/14/2018 - 11:02pm Franklin has always been a…

Franklin has always been a good recruiter. The winning helps and penn state has traditionally dominated the recruiting of Baltimore/dc/va (plus franklin has roots from coaching at Maryland) which produces more talent than Michigan and they also have Pennsylvania as a fertile recruiting ground.

apparently franklin has been selling having the chance to help the first black coach win a title hard and it’s a recruiting pitch that has resonated with recruits.

09/14/2018 - 5:14pm Your title implied this was…

Your title implied this was an example of a toxic culture and innapropriate relationship between the football program and police and this shows nothing of the sort.

09/14/2018 - 12:14pm Between AJ Dillon and KJ…

Between AJ Dillon and KJ Hamler the offensive coaching staff has had a couple big misses on the recruiting offensive evaluation side of things.

09/14/2018 - 11:24am Honestly its a damn good…

Honestly its a damn good thing they didn't follow policy because those policies are ass and I am sure they are not fully followed constantly at the discretion of the officers.

This thread is a ridiculous stretch, MSU sucks, nothing about this story is an example of police trying to help the football team

09/13/2018 - 4:04pm Seems like they lost the…

Seems like they lost the sponsor for it.

Guess the cat jokes didn't go over well.

09/12/2018 - 6:31pm Not really because he hasn’t…

Not really because he hasn’t. You are defining wr success as deep bombs. Dpj has more catches and has also been involved in the run game in addition to returning punts

09/12/2018 - 6:28pm He’s a raw route runner…

He’s a raw route runner whose greatest asset was speed and size allowing him to go down field well. Over the last two years he’s had zero qbs who could throes the deep ball and an offensive line so bad the coaches aren’t willing to call long developing pass plays against a mac team. Odell Beckham would struggle to put good numbers in our offense.

09/12/2018 - 5:36pm No and this is a bad thread…

No and this is a bad thread and you should feel bad.

09/12/2018 - 3:45pm It would also be nice to see…

It would also be nice to see the team try to throw like 30 times this week. We need to actually see our tackles, we need Shea and the receiving core to continue to develop, etc. We aren't beating the good teams on our schedule throwing the ball 15 times, might as well get the game reps in. 

Don't have to show anything fancy, just test your tackles and lines ability to pick up stunts and blitzes and see if your receivers are getting clean separation.

09/12/2018 - 3:40pm Its good to see the coaches…

Its good to see the coaches don't have their head in the sand because of beating western and they still have hope the young guys can push through.

I'd love to see Hudson and/or Mayfield get a full half if possible including a 3rd quarter with the other 1's. That'll provide the info needed on whether to make a switch going into Nebraska and Northwestern to get them ready for Wisconsin.

09/12/2018 - 1:04am The coaches threw out Ulizio…

The coaches threw out Ulizio and John O'Korn last year, they don't just get automatic trust. Seniors who have played before don't just get better as their 4th year goes on. Sure it would be great if it happened but it doesn't really happen. Runyan is a guard, he's been abused by any power 5 level defensive end he's ever gone against, that isn't going to magically go away. Of course it is technically possible we could beat OSU with Runyan in, but it would require winning a game like 14-10 or getting defensive and special teams touchdowns because it wouldn't be our offense doing it.

09/12/2018 - 12:51am I mean sort of. Both Hill…

I mean sort of. Both Hill and Long are on the smaller side and could face a Jourdan Lewis situation where they need to be truly truly elite to raise their draft profile into the first round and at least one could come back easily for example.

It feels like 20-22 is the right number without attrition that actually comes from depth or younger players who still have a shot and it feels like the staff is recruiting more to a class size of 27-28 based off recent takes.

09/11/2018 - 11:05pm He doesn't have enough…

He doesn't have enough height, we need an outside guy in this class.

09/11/2018 - 5:30pm Also we have like what 16…

Also we have like what 16 open scholarships? Coaches seem to be expecting some real attrition 

09/11/2018 - 5:25pm A best case scenario…

A best case scenario involves Keegan, Ford, and daxton hill committing right? Not really in on any other big time recruits as Karlaftis seems solid to Purdue and I’ll believe Harrison when it happens

09/11/2018 - 4:27pm No I think Runyan and JBB…

No I think Runyan and JBB are the two best options from a consistency stand point in practice and the coaches are making the calculation that more consistency is preferrable to a higher ceiling. And I think that calculation is correct for the majority of our schedule and would get us to 8 or 9 wins. But if we want a shot at beating wisconsin, or osu we need the higher upside guys in there and for it to work out. I'd rather have a shot at having a functioning offense against osu but with the downside of getting shut out than an offense likely to generate 7-10 points but that is almost guaranteed to stall out regularly.

09/11/2018 - 3:58pm In this scenario is good old…

In this scenario is good old fashioned american trickle down economics lining up with two tight end's three yards and a cloud of dust? 

09/11/2018 - 2:50pm A lot of this stuff seems…

A lot of this stuff seems like it should be verifiable from other people.

09/11/2018 - 1:01pm I think if they thought…

I think if they thought Hudson and Mayfield had a chance to be starters they would have played earlier to guarantee more snaps against westerns starters to get a baseline of comparison. Rolling with Runyan and JBB so long, even as they were giving up qb pressure on plenty of throws shows the staff thinks they are still the best option.

I'm thinking this is probably our offensive line until Nebraska or Northwestern dominate the oline and we are forced into a change. But I certainly don't expect the offense to perform well against wisconsin with Runyan and JBB as the starting tackles despite this game and whatever we do to SMU.

09/11/2018 - 11:41am For the part about how MSU's…

For the part about how MSU's secondary might be fraudalent because of bad QB's, can't you say the same about Michigan's?

09/11/2018 - 11:00am If the university…

If the university proceedings are ending up in court than aren't your concerns addressed? What happens once it gets to court is a completely different situation.

And saying that public discourse should be allowed isn't what I said, I said its a unique situation that a football player leaving generates media interest. 

You act like a preponderence of evidence is some easily attainable standard and that even under the current regime the vast majority of people reporting sexual assault feel as if their story is less likely to be believed than of the the person they are accusing. Constitutional safeguards don't have to exist in this situation. Its like arguing your free speech is being violated if I rescind your invite to speak somewhere. You are equating expulsion as equal to the penalties of the judicial process and while it is certainly meaningful it is not anywhere close to the level of punishment the criminal justice system can hand out. Given the lower level of punishment, and the impact a cross examination and adversarial process has on sexual assault reporting rates yes I am comfortable with the university being judge and jury about who is a student on campus. And that is all they are being judge and jury on.

09/11/2018 - 8:50am Don't be a condescending…

Don't be a condescending asshole. You have a disagreement prove your point. I argued that constitutional protections are not necessarily applicable in these proceedings and there are legitimate reasons why it is ok for Michigan's process to differ from the judicial process.

Also the Gibbons case is a unique example because of the publicity of college football. Yes it is a different situation for a college football player at a major university since people will notice you no longer being on the team. Since those players represent less than 1% of college students basing policy decisions off of them results in terrible policy. 

You seem to have a lot of faith in judicial system, you shouldn't.