What is going on with this "Outside Investigative Firm"?

Submitted by nickelsarcade on October 26th, 2023 at 12:41 PM

The most shocking thing about yesterday's Washington Post article was the casual revelation that an "outside firm" accessed internal UM servers and then reported that material to the NCAA.

I have seen some speculation that this firm was working on behalf of Michigan. That makes absolutely no sense to me: first, a vendor hired by the University would be bound by multiple confidentiality and disclsoure provisions. There could be certain contractual stipulations that, upon subpoena, the vendor would be required to disclose its materials, but again that obligation would have to be legally compelled and to a law enforcement agency (not a organization like the NCAA). And if the vendor was hired by Michigan for an internal audit, Michigan would be the party turning over the materials in exchange for leniency and self-reporting mitigation. 

Assuming that the firm is thus not a UM-affiliated vendor, this becomes a very troubling starting point for the entire bruhaha. Either someone at UM, with requisite access, provided the firm with access in a deliberate attempt to sabotage, or the investigative firm received that access either through false pretense or possible criminal intrusion. Law firms often times use "investigative firms" (some big ones are Nardello, Kroll) to take actions that you don't want to trace back to yourself, or to provide some degree of anonymity. But I am not aware of any reputable firm green-lighting access another institution's email servers without their explicit consent. That steps into federal privacy and computer crimes which very few reputable firms would want to risk violating (and most likely their liability insurance wouldn't even cover). 

Which brings me back to Matt Weiss. Did the community ever reach any sense of what happened there? Could he have been downloading the materials from servers without requisite permission and the investigative firm got it from him?

If I'm Michigan (and clearly the U approaches everything it feels different than I would), I would focus in like a laser on this. It's one thing for us to have scouted live games which 100,000 attendees are also witnessing. It's another for an interested party to retain a firm and traffic in materials that were obtained through either an unlawful breach of contract, corporate espionage, or hacking. And need as much pressure as possible on the press to dig into exactly who this is. 

Optimism Attache

October 26th, 2023 at 12:44 PM ^

Somebody with access just showed it to them. It was almost certainly one of Stallyonz’s associates. 
 

Edit: this seems to be what Brian said on the radio today, if I am reading others’ comments below correctly. Who knows exactly why one of Stalions’s minions did it, but it seems the most likely source. 

charblue.

October 26th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^

The implication of wrongdoing is that Michigan systemically violated a rule prohibiting in person electronic surveillance of upcoming opponents through advance scouting of their games. But WaPo reports that this didn't happen organically through its own investigative reporting. 

This story notes that an outside firm "approached" the NCAA with information about Michigan allegedly using advanced scouting as part of accepted sign-decoding practices in college football. The story's big reveal is the precise knowledge of the budget for this expense and the suggestion that the recorded material was made available from Stalion's "vast network" of researchers to a computer drive available to unidentified Michigan football coaching staff other than head coach Jim Harbaugh. 

So, the story fails to answer or even address the one question that goes beyond why a week-old story is suddenly the work of multiple sports and news outlets and not one particular news organization which is typically how these stories are generated and reported. In this case, we suddenly have multiple news outlets now investigating the hottest story on one of the biggest names in college sports. 

News organizations will never disclose the identity of their news sources unless it is already public knowledge. This is not an NCAA probe. The NCAA doesn't probe anything on its own. It acts on reporting it receives to decide whether there is something it should look into.

The key to this story was the trigger of the NCAA accepting whatever it got from whom for investigation. And even that decision wasn't made by the NCAA. Probably, more likely from a phone call to the B1G. A story like this cannot become public until that occurs because there is no method of the outside, independent firm coming forward to make the case without its motivation or client being outed. 

And so, that is what Michigan ought to be fighting back for information on, who is responsible for this initial reporting. Who hired an outside firm for the purpose of having it snitch to the NCAA. That's what we can do as a fan base until we get an answer publicly, continue to make the case that without better proof, there is only one likely answer: Ohio State. At the very least it will raise the hate level to a new high when they come to town next month. 

Mr Grainger

October 26th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^

On WTKA today, Brian seemed to think the source might have been one of Stallions' minions who for some reason flipped to OSU. One report last night said the outside firm paid for the information. Did the firm (and/or OSU) track down one of the minions and offer a lot of money? And if so, is there any illegality to that? If not illegal it would certainly be unethical.

Conspiratorial, yes. Speculation, yes. But this thing gets wierder by the day.

trueblueintexas

October 26th, 2023 at 2:32 PM ^

This has moved into an area where Michigan can legitimately bring in the FBI. I know that sounds extreme, but the FBI handles computer crimes and intrusions. If someone was paid to access sensitive info on Michigan's hardware or servers it is a legit FBI level situation. The NCAA & B1G have no real authority in this situation, but the FBI certainly does. That should have Ryan Day shitting in his cooler. 

mi93

October 26th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^

All of this is still very TBD, but, and so, it could simply be that:

a) the present state/process of the AAPD's investigation of Matt Weiss isn't connected;

b) at this time, there are potentially no official investigative authorities involved (i.e., AAPD, FBI) to the best of our present knowledge;

c) there may yet be revelations that do connect Weiss to the present situation.

The onion is far from peeled.

tigerd

October 26th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^

Totally agree. It's been amazing how how all of  these talking heads and writers poo poo the part about how this so called investigative firm was able to get into U of M computer systems.

ChuckieWoodson

October 26th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^

Agreed, but it's also obvious as to why they don't focus on it.  It's all about clicks.  Getting people to click on a sensational headline is more important than facts at this stage.  Such is the state of journalism in the electronic age.

Take me back to my childhood where it was Brokaw, Rather and Jennings.  Boring AF but accurate and fact based.

njvictor

October 26th, 2023 at 1:31 PM ^

Because it's not important to them. At this point, there's a very clear concerted effort to continue blowing this out of proportion. Every new story with a few more details is portrayed as some ground breaking new revelation. The SI article that showed that Stalions was kind of insane and was doing a lot of crazy stuff on his own was pushed to the side by everyone on social media after like 2 hours. Meanwhile, every NFL coach and player, and most TV talking heads are dumbfounded how people are making a big deal about this

bluebyyou

October 26th, 2023 at 1:34 PM ^

Brian's theory notwithstanding, and it is conjecture, a computer breach is an obvious issue and potentially actionable both civilly and criminally.  I'm still wondering about the third party, non-NCAA, investigation itself and become more confused by the day.  

Did OSU hire a third party to investigate U of M?  If that is the case, is there not a prescribed protocol for issues laid down by the B1G or the NCAA?  If not, you now have, in addition to NIL, another manifestation of the wild west road college football is travelling on.  If not, as someone said on Sam Webb's show this morning, why not start investigating various Buckeye players and leak the finding to the press?

I sure wish there was a sticky timeline of events that we could refer to and modify as facts are authenticated or disproved.