OT: Joyce umpiring today; Galarraga presenting lineup card, receives car
Per ESPN, as MLB debates overturning the call, something Cardinals manager La Russa thinks should be done, Joyce has elected to work behind home plate
Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski said the team will not ask MLB to overturn the call. Selig would likely consult with his top advisers before making such a ruling. St. Louis Cardinalsmanager Tony La Russa says the call should be overturned.
Tigers manager Jim Leyland said MLB gave Joyce the option to not work Thursday's game, but Joyce chose to stick with his job behind the plate. Leyland added that Galarraga would present the lineup card and shake hands with Joyce at home plate before the afternoon game.
Milt Pappas, who lost a perfect game in 1972 on a controversial call and settled for a no-hitter instead, told ESPN's Willie Weinbaum that he thinks the blown call that cost Galarraga a perfect game should be reversed.
If the Tigers can keep it classy, I expect the fans to. Instead he'll get sworn at all day. Oh well. Galarraga receives a new Corvette from GM at least.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it almost sounds like a Hope move... I like Leyland a lot, but unless he's doing it to show there's no ill will, he's being a Hope.
That was my first thought too, but the part about them shaking hands makes me think it is a no-hard-feelings move.
Leyland doesn't drink beer, but he offered to have a beer with him.
Everyone involved is handling this so well, it makes me feel petty. I just don't think I could have kept my composure if that happened to me. Obviously Galarraga would prefer to have the perfect game, but Tigers fans will always remember his unbelievable grace in the face of such incredible disappointment.
that stuff'll kill ya.
Galarraga is a better person than me, that's for sure. He is one class act. Also, that is one sweet Corvette that Chevy gave him!
I called the MLB offices in New York to leave a comment re: last night's game. I was transferred to a woman who was very polite. I asked her to forward a comment to Mr. Selig requesting he review last night's game and make a decision based on that review. She indicated that she would forward the comment.
The MLB office phone number is 212-931-7800. Not sure if it will help, but it certainly can't hurt.
I hope the fans give Joyce a small polite ovation. We have the classiest fans in sports, it would be a nice gesture.
I don't know.... Phillies fans are pretty classy, man.
Three words never seen in the same sentence.
What about "Phillies fans have no class"?
"A number of Phillies fans missed class Friday after being arrested Thursday night for throwing beer bottles into the opposing team's dugout. The fans', who have yet to be identified, all attended Bittmore High School. Principle Jeffrey Thumple says they are normally ideal students, though their five year age difference with the rest of their classmates has presented problems."
Although there is a lot of overlap due to the teams being in the same city, the Eagles fans are even worse from my experiences. One time a group of Eagles fans in my section got tossed out of FedEx because they brought in a slab of wood and got drunk enough in the first quarter to hit a Skins fan over the head with it.
would you let them bring a "slab of wood" in. Seriously, what possible good could come from that?
Also, they should not keep track of score or the number outs. The players will play as long as they'd like to, maybe coming out for an encore after 4 hours of ball play. During the time the 7th inning stretch would normally be played, the crowd will all gather around home plate and sing kumbaya.
That's not classy, its stupid. I hope they boo him a little extra on close pitches, and then after this game, move on. You don't deserve an ovation because you blew a call and said you're sorry. Oops, shot your dog. I'm sorry. Now applaud me.
Because intentionally killing a dog and mistakenly calling a guy safe are comparable.
They must all be stupid too in your book. When you're throwing around the "stupid" word, look very closely in the mirror.
I hope if you make a mistake that hurts someone, you feel badly enough to apologize for it (this may be asking a lot, though) and get slapped in the face when you try.
I feel like it's analogous to the Steve Bartman incident. Granted he was a fan, but he made a really big mistake that "changed the course of history" and the cubs remained cursed. He had to be escorted out of the stadium by police, and he felt really bad about the whole thing.
That said, I think that he'd probably be booed if he went to Wrigley.
You're right. You don't get it.
Yea, heaven forbid we do everything we can to make sure the 1st perfect game in Tiger's history is validated.
Would it really be so bad if Dombroski made the appeal, Selig reverses the call and announces during the game today that Galarraga is the 21st pitcher in MLB history to throw a perfect game as Jim Joyce congratulates him during the 7th inning stretch at home plate?
What exactly don't I get?
Probably because you cloaked your 1 legitimate point in two layers of complete idiocy:
1. "Dumbrowski.
2. "Is he too busy paying another 5th starter, etc..."
that kinda sounds like the KFC double down, except not heart attack inducing or nearly as awesome
Lame attempts at humor will not make the fact that your original comment was idiotic ok. Just accept your neg bang and move along.
HAHAHA!!!!! You wrote Dombrowski as Dumbrowski, because you think he's dumb. Never mind that he was the one who put together the '02 Marlins roster. Never mind that he managed to get the Tigers into the playoffs after a decade of being really bad. Never mind his most recent trade of Granderson and E. Jackson for A. Jackson, Scherzer, and others (which is working out quite well). Never mind that he acquired Cabrera for two largely-failed prospects. Let's make fun of him for deciding not to whine about a call in a game we won.
I personally would have protested the call yesterday. That said, I can appreciate Dombrowski's gesture. It speaks to wanting to put this crap behind us. Besides, the league still might review the play and I doubt the protest would have mattered much. Meanwhile, Dombrowski, despite having been criticized for virtually everything by a lot of Tigers fans (something I've been guilty of in the past), is the one who transformed the Tigers from a joke into a contender. While he has made mistakes in the past, he deserves a hell of a lot of respect from Tigers fans for his accomplishments and even if you disagree with him, you should at least refrain from using stupid, uncreative epithets when talking about him.
EDIT: I originally said '02 Tigers roster, which is a) not true and b) not an accomplishment.
I guess managing to get the Tigers into the playoffs after being horrible for years which lead to high draft pick after high draft pick with the ability to sign high-price prospects unlike smaller market teams outweighs three of the worst moves in recent MLB history:
$40 million for Shefield
Nate Robertson's contract extension
Dontrelle Willis
Not to mention he took the 3rd highest payroll in all of baseball and put together a team that finished at the bottom of the worst division in baseball.
He has not turned the Tigers into a contender, he has turned them into a .500 baseball team ---which happens to be enough to contend for the Central Division title, but nothing else.
I know everyone here is a Tigers fan, and I am a big one as well, but what is so wrong about being realistic?
The DUMBroski thing was a complete joke, somebody needs to relax.
Dombrowski has consistently shown that he is willing to take risks as a GM. Some of these work, some of these don't. For instance, he also signed Ordonez and Pudge when nobody else was willing to pay much because they were injury risks. He also traded the top prospects in the organization (prospects acquired via the high draft picks from years of sucking that you mentioned) for Cabrera and Willis, when nobody else had the balls to make a deal. Willis didn't work out. Cabrera did and now we have one of the top talents in the league signed for the majority of his career. Meanwhile, both prospects flopped.
Dombrowski takes risks. Some work and some fail. If you demand that a GM not make bad moves, then the GM will never make a great one.
Finally, the "Dumbrowski" thing is a terrible pun in the vein of the various epithets used to replace Ohio State and Michigan State, which incidentally aren't funny. So you were using a form of insult that is considered to be poor form to address hated rivals on this board in order to address a member of an organization you claim to support.
Usually risky behavior leads to things like "AIDS" and "plan B" but in the case of Dombrowski its ok that his risks don't work out because that one magical summer 4 years ago when he took the Tigers to the World Series. Let's not worry about no going back to the playoffs since then, and the ugly reality that we wont be able to make any significant moves this trade-deadline because we are paying $20 MILLION to players who aren't even on the roster.
I mean really? Your arguement is that since he has consistently shown he is willing to take what you call risks and others would call bad decisions, he gets a free pass because he is doing something other GMs wont do?
Hey I have an idea, I'm going to take a second mortgage on my house, go to the casino and put half of it on black while spending the other half on prostitutes and drugs. I might end up with Hep C and no house, but there is a chance I have a great time and don't lose any money. I'm taking risks no one else in my class is taking so you have to give me credit, right?
Cabrera was a great move, but allowing Ordonez to reach his AB quota and trigger his bonus was a terrible decision. The contracts of Robertson, Sheffield, and Willis were terrible. What about the signing of Renteria, or giving up Jurgens?
I hope the Tigers do well and I want them to succeed -- I go to school in Detroit now so it's one of the few things I have to look forward too.
Dombrowski has been far from perfect, but I think overall, he has done a good job. Allowing Ordonez to reach his quota doesn't seem like that bad of a move anymore. At the time yes, I would have agreed with you. However, Maggs has become an integral .300 hitter in the 3 hole in what has become an inconsistent offense. Maggs has been a nice constant. Sure, he is overpaid, but in order to attract guys like Magglio and Pudge here, DD has to overpay.
The Robertson and Dontrelle contracts baffle me as well, so no rebuttal here.
As far as Sheffield goes, the Tigers had to extend him to get the trade done. We needed a high OBP guy to hit in our lineup and at the time, it was a brilliant move. Sheff had some injury and inconsistency issues, but I don't fault DD at all for making that move.
Lastly, we did not sign Renteria. We made a trade for him. Jurjjens has been nice in Atlanta, but his constant injury issues and attitude were reasons enough to ship him out for an All-Star caliber SS who severely underachieved.
Your points are not far off, but your delivery is what causes people to not take you seriously.
Usually risky behavior leads to things like "AIDS" and "plan B" but in the case of Dombrowski its ok that his risks don't work out because that one magical summer 4 years ago when he took the Tigers to the World Series. Let's not worry about no going back to the playoffs since then, and the ugly reality that we wont be able to make any significant moves this trade-deadline because we are paying $20 MILLION to players who aren't even on the roster.
First of all, this is a terrible analogy. Second of all, you argue that after '06, Dombrowski has done nothing to get the Tigers to the playoffs. This is patently untrue as the Tigers were in the race in '07 and missed the playoffs in '09 after game 163. He's not producing .500 teams; he's producing contenders.
I mean really? Your arguement is that since he has consistently shown he is willing to take what you call risks and others would call bad decisions, he gets a free pass because he is doing something other GMs wont do?
No, he get's a free pass because a large number of risks that he has taken have worked out. See Pudge, Ordonez, Rogers, Cabrera, last year's trade, etc. While some of his risks have failed, others have succeeded and those failures have not prevented the Tigers from winning games and becoming a yearly contender. The argument is that the Tigers are clearly better off than they would be if he didn't take risks and if you accept the benefits of Dombrowski's risk-taking strategy that allowed for the 2006 team, than you have to accept that there will be some failures.
Hey I have an idea, I'm going to take a second mortgage on my house, go to the casino and put half of it on black while spending the other half on prostitutes and drugs. I might end up with Hep C and no house, but there is a chance I have a great time and don't lose any money. I'm taking risks no one else in my class is taking so you have to give me credit, right?
Cabrera was a great move, but allowing Ordonez to reach his AB quota and trigger his bonus was a terrible decision. The contracts of Robertson, Sheffield, and Willis were terrible. What about the signing of Renteria, or giving up Jurgens?
Allowing Ordonez to reach his AB quota and trigger his bonus was a good decision because Ordonez played well in the second half and without him, we wouldn't have made it to game 163. He's also playing very well this year. When you factor in his power and defense, this year is arguably his best as a member of the Tigers. Also, the same mentality that led Dombrowski to trade for Cabrera is the mentality that led to the Renteria-Jurrjens trade. So, which would you rather have, Jurrjens or Cabrera? And if you cop out by saying both, then you are missing the point entirely.
I hope the Tigers do well and I want them to succeed -- I go to school in Detroit now so it's one of the few things I have to look forward too.
Ok, something I don't take issue with...great.
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Well done.
The tigers are 276-264 over the past 3+ seasons that is a winning percentage of .511. Can't get much closer to .500 than that
Ordonez was a $20 million singles hitter last year. He had 35 extra base hits for the entire season! They could have very easily re-signed him for much less and not had to pay $40 million over two years, and they will be on the hook for another $18 million after this year. He is having a great season this year but we have only played 1/3 of the games and time will tell if he fades or keeps it up. The fact that you mention his defense makes me laugh because he is notorious for being one of the worst right outfielders in the American league.
Getting Cabrera was no-brainer. Any GM in the league would have made that deal. The Marlins were trying to dump salary and Dombroski had the green-light to spend from Ilitch. It was a big market team taking advantage of a small market team and I will give him credit for getting the deal done, but you can't say that was a risky move. The risky moves are hanging on to Dontrelle too long, going after a 40 year old Sheffield, signing Robertson to an extension after one mediocre season, trading a young starting pitcher in Jurgens, etc...
You say I am providing terrible analogies but look at the end result of Dombroski's great risk taking:
- 0.500 record over 3+ years in the worst AL division
- 3rd highest payroll in baseball.
- No starting pitching depth whatsoever
The risks are obviously not being productive, so then why credit someone for just taking risks?
Why only mention blunders?
Mainly because I don't set out to insult people's intelligence and you definitely provoke such remarks.
The tigers are 276-264 over the past 3+ seasons that is a winning percentage of .511. Can't get much closer to .500 than that
Ordonez was a $20 million singles hitter last year. He had 35 extra base hits for the entire season! They could have very easily re-signed him for much less and not had to pay $40 million over two years, and they will be on the hook for another $18 million after this year. He is having a great season this year but we have only played 1/3 of the games and time will tell if he fades or keeps it up. The fact that you mention his defense makes me laugh because he is notorious for being one of the worst right outfielders in the American league.
So...we should have shelved an integral part of our lineup during a playoff race...in order to get a better deal when the contract was renegotiated...
Also, with regard to Ordonez's defense this year, have you even been watching the games or do you just take someone else's word for it? I really hope the latter is the case because if the former is true then you probably know nothing about baseball. Of course, that's the vibe I'm getting anyway...
Getting Cabrera was no-brainer. Any GM in the league would have made that deal. The Marlins were trying to dump salary and Dombroski had the green-light to spend from Ilitch. It was a big market team taking advantage of a small market team and I will give him credit for getting the deal done, but you can't say that was a risky move. The risky moves are hanging on to Dontrelle too long, going after a 40 year old Sheffield, signing Robertson to an extension after one mediocre season, trading a young starting pitcher in Jurgens, etc...
for an average of $19mil per year through 2015? In a recession, Ryan Howard just got 5 years for $125mil. Miggy is younger, better and making $6 million less per year. What is your take on that signing?
Or how about JV for an average of $16 mil per year for the next 5 years?
For all his so called bad deals, he has some great ones as well, like everything in life you will have some hits and some misses. DD definitely has way more hits than misses, IMHO.
I don't understand why Joyce is umping today. I respect his candor and honesty, but when you screw up so bad the night before, you should probably not be there the next day. Also, I don't understand why DD would not petition to overturn the call. It's the least thing you could do for Armando and team, regardless of how that will turn out.
I applaud him for umping today. He is facing the music like a man.
I thought it was classy of not only Jim Leyland, but Jim Joyce as well. This guy is obviously broken up over what happened last night, and it took a lot of guts to go out there today. BTW Galarraga is PERFECT!
Austin Jackson has great physical gifts and will make great plays, but he also misplays a lot of balls that allow runners to get an extra base (or at least makes it easy for them to get an extra base). This particularly applies to deep flies to left-center and right-center as well as playing the ball off the wall.
To be fair, I am not exactly an authority on this, but I have played and watched a lot of baseball and in my opinion, he's too inconsistant a fielder to deserve a Gold Glove. Especially when you look at Denard Span.
I think that you are probably correct, he is a bit too inconsistant right now. I should have said that AJ may win a Gold Glove in the future. Remember he's just a kid, and he is dynamite. Fwiw I don't miss Grandy at all.
Hey, I've done business with Milt. He's selling industrial nails now. Nice guy to speak with.
all the way around which would make it feel even better should Selig decide to overturn the call...
You think the Tigers aren't still a little peeved? 12 runs and 16 hits, plus homers from the M&M boys. Miggy now has 7 HRs in his last 8 games and is now tied for the MLB lead with 16 HRs, and is far and away the MLB leader in RBIs with 50.
The guy has tears in his eyes, walks out in front of Comerica and shakes the hand of the pitcher who he wronged. What more can you ask for from this man. In my opinion this is the classiest move I've ever seen an official display. This guy is as sincere as they come!