NFG

May 5th, 2013 at 7:00 PM ^

I hate the NHL more than ever. Explain to me why Weber didn't get suspended then?

Fuck this fucking arm put of a hockey league with double standards.

BlueRecruitFan

May 5th, 2013 at 7:54 PM ^

After the Senators suspension he HAD to issue a suspension on this one.  The Senators hit was absolutely clean and perfect... never should have considered a suspension except that (1) blood on ice, (2) stretcher, (3) Gary B. was in attendance.  The Abdelkader hit could warrant a suspension, but after the idiotic decision with the Senators' hit... he HAD to suspend him because it was obviously worse.  He DID leave his feet, hit the Ducks player's head, and extended his arms afterwards.  The Senators player didn't do any of that and HE got 2 games.  They are the ones with the real gripe here.  But hey, I don't like suspensions at all... penalties are fine with me.

lbpeley

May 5th, 2013 at 7:03 PM ^

If Shanny is quicker to fuck over the RWs so he doesn't get accused of favoritism? Cowardly move if so. That was a bullshit call in the game and he just made it even bullshittier..

smitty1983

May 5th, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^

As a player but he needs to be fired that's a bullshit ruling. Weber slammed the fuck out of z and didn't get shit. I'm sick of the NHL and its rules now these hits wouldn't happen if they were allowed to fight still. NHL is soft and should be ashamed of the way they are handling these rulings

MGoBlue96

May 5th, 2013 at 7:14 PM ^

get intelligent people running things. Basically what I gather is teams are allowed to whatever the hell they want to the Wings (Weber slamming Zetterberg's head into the glass), and the moment the Red Wings get physical it results in a suspension on a play that wasn't even initially being called a penatly. A hit that at worst only warrented a two minute penalty, though I still think it was largely a clean hit.

Like I said I am done, Bettman, Shanahan and the other incompetent individuals running this league can stick it where the sun don't shine. And yes I included Shanahan because what he did as player for the Wings has no bearing on the piss poor job he has done in the league's front office.  Shame to, because hockey is great sport when it is not being ruined by idiots.

 

Swazi

May 5th, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

You'll have that when you leave your feet aiming for the head.  He's jumping up to hit his shoulder into that guys head.  You guys crying about this suspension are pretty stupid.

Seth

May 6th, 2013 at 9:03 AM ^

A charge is when you keep skating. Abdelkader stopped skating 10 feet away and glided into the hit. The one thing everyone can totally agree on with this is that it's not at all a charge.

I don't put this one on Shanahan and get frustrated when people complain about him. He picture pages every decision and puts it on the Internet. He has also intimated as much as he can without getting fired that sometimes the league interferes with his rulings (eg Weber's hit). Bettman is an NBA slamma jamma, superstar oriented David Stern acolyte whose mission is to make hockey palatable to Southern Californians, ie more like the NBA. I bet you anything this ruling (and the weak-ass way they called the penalty on review as soon as they saw the head was impacted) came from upstairs.

Give Shanny a break. He's trying to make the NHL better and keeps his process for doing that as open as he can, but he works for an impish David Stern student. Anybody in that job would do worse.

justingoblue

May 5th, 2013 at 7:26 PM ^

is stupid, since it's a throwaway barb that can be used universally, but I digress.

The question is whether he left his feet to deliver a hit. From the film I've seen, Abdelkader didn't leave his feet until after making contact, which would make the charging call incorrect in the first place. I haven't seen anything from the league about head contact and that wasn't the call on the ice, so there's pretty much no reason to talk about whether or not Abdelkader targeted the head or not.

Edit: Watched Shanahan's video, and I think his version of events is wrong. He did mention contact to the head, but not in context of an illegal hit to the head under the head contact rule.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=0&id=245671&cmpid=nhl-twt

MGoBlue96

May 5th, 2013 at 7:26 PM ^

on the initial contact, and his feet were still on the ice when the initial contact was made. Don't what the hell replay you watched.

Regardless of what you think  of the hit, it still doesn't explain how Weber can slam Zetterberg's head into the glass last year, and not get suspended for even one game.

The only stupid ones here are the idiots running the league, and anybody who would defend those idiots.

 

Phil Brickma

May 5th, 2013 at 7:27 PM ^

I don't really have a problem with the suspension. Hard to argue he didn't make contact with his head and it directly resulted in an injury.

I understand people freaking out at the NHL, and it largely is justified. How Weber didn't get benched last year is absolutely beyond me, but that doesn't mean this hit was clean.

Neg away...

justingoblue

May 5th, 2013 at 7:43 PM ^

But that alone doesn't make a hit illegal, and certainly doesn't make it charging in any form. Shanahan would have more of a leg to stand on if he said the play was called incorrectly and suspended him based on Rule 48 (illegal check to the head). That at least has some subjectivity, and while I disagree with it I can at least see how the call would be defenseable.

 

joeyb

May 6th, 2013 at 9:43 AM ^

He definitely made contact with the head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPRfFVg7lzI&t=0m45s

In the first replay, you can tell that he starts to leave his feet before just before the hit. In the second view, you can tell, especially going frame-by-frame, that his left should makes contact with the head.

My take on it is that Abdelkader intended to make a clean hit on the upper body, however, the guy bent over a bit to brace for the hit and Abdelkader's should hit him in the head. Even if it's not intentional, I still think it's something that at least needs to be called in the game and potentially further penalized outside the game. If you leave room for incidental contact to the head, then you have to make judgement calls. It's better to err on the side of safety than the side of fairness. Since they don't seem to be consistent at all, it's hard to say that this is actually their reasoning, though.

What I really don't get is how you can allow punches to the head, but then get upset with incidental contact. This should either be a violent sport or it shouldn't be. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

not TOM BRADY

May 5th, 2013 at 7:34 PM ^

What a joke. 2 games. I wasn't even clear he hit his head. This league is a joke. Shanahan needs to be fired he is doing a terrible job on remaining consistent and putting out terrible precedents. I guess Slamming someone's head against the board like Weber is okay, but not a hit that the refs didn't even blow the whistle on to begin with.

MGoBlue96

May 5th, 2013 at 7:48 PM ^

for a reason. The people running things are definatly doing their best to change that though. Hockey has always been my second favorite sport to watch (behind college football), but stuff like this and the two lockouts really make it hard to care about the league. The officiating this year alone has been the worst I have ever seen.

gwkrlghl

May 5th, 2013 at 8:46 PM ^

you ask that on a Michigan blog? As far as hockey crazed US states or areas. Your top 3 are almost certainly Minnesota, Michigan, and Western NY. Of course people like hockey

The real question is, does anybody really like jaylee714

Leonhall

May 5th, 2013 at 7:40 PM ^

Like this that has made the NHL an absolute fucking joke, it's shit like this that causes fewer viewers and no big tv contract. What a fucking joke, so pissed!

Jmilan

May 5th, 2013 at 8:35 PM ^

Me and you would get along great while watching hockey games. This is like the 3rd thread about hockey where you said basically what I was thinking. Anyways I thought the hit was clean, but due to the Eller hit he had to get suspended. As far as the Weber incident, it was a cheap shot, but I've been watching hockey all day and guys have been choking each other and pinching each other in the face and no one is getting suspended. If he bashed Z's head in the glass last year and he got hurt I'm guessing Weber gets a suspension. These are two arguments I have been annoyed with as of late. Abdelkader takes dumb penalties at bad times, it is what it is look at the San Jose series a few years back.

Doc Brown

May 5th, 2013 at 8:54 PM ^

If it matters at all Shanahan has admitted he made a mistake with the Z and Webber incident from last season and apologized.

I have known Abs from growing up in muskegon. He is a knucklehead. love the kid, but sometimes he lets the game get to him. 

MGoBlue96

May 5th, 2013 at 9:05 PM ^

the fact that Z wasn't injured had jack to do with Weber's intent last year.  And yes suspending Eller is also more evidence, that Shanahan has no idea what the hell he is doing.  It should be about the intent, not the result, unfortunately Shanahan has proved he doesn't care about what the player's intent was over the last couple of years.

MGoBlue96

May 5th, 2013 at 7:53 PM ^

of charging, his feet were on the ice when he made initial contact.  If that is a charge than every single hit Kronwall has thrown the last couple of years and 50% of the hits in the  league should have been called charges.

Also regardless of what you think of the hit you want to explain how it is more dirty than slamming a guy's head into the boards when the game is over with?

Doc Brown

May 5th, 2013 at 7:57 PM ^

I don't think you understand the definition of charging. 

 

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

Charging shall mean the actions of a player who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner. A “charge” may be the result of a check into the boards, into the goal frame or in open ice.

A minor, major or a major and a game misconduct shall be imposed on a player who charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper is within his goal crease.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

Abs launched himself. To say otherwise, you are being a delusional wings homer. 

NHL is trying to protect players from head injuries. The onus is on the attacker to recognize when a player has is head down, not on the player getting hit. 

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Am I, and YostBuilt the only two wings fans that can actually see where Shanahan is coming from. Screaming Bettman conspiracy for Abs suspension is Penn State level black helicopter delusion. Support the player, not the hit. 

justingoblue

May 5th, 2013 at 8:03 PM ^

The onus is on the attacker to recognize when a player has is head down, not on the player getting hit.

That's absolutely and unequivocally false, and the NHL rulebook spells it out in Rule 48. If a player puts his head down, the officials are instructed to take that into consideration when determining whether a hit merits a penalty, and it's spelled out in black and white in the rule book. Take another look at any of the big Kronwall hits (specifically Voracek) and you'll be able to see in real time how that comes into play during an NHL game.