C'mon Sparty....
C'mon Sparty....finish the deal in the second half.
A win would be a huge boost for the conference and would help set the tone for a 2009-2010 Renaissance season for the Big 10.
I think its important that during a season where the league was clubbed--without evidence--that it was a bad league, it would be cool to see a Big 10 team in a Big 10 city for the Final Four. It would cap a nice postseason for the league.
But, more importantly, the Big 10 needs to look as strong as possible.....strong enough that a .500 league mark will get you into the tourney....and with all the talent coming back into the league, on the heels a nice post season with a final four participant.....i just think it would set the league up for a great year.
Of course, maybe the best reason is that if MSU wins, my total wins bet on the Big 19 in the tourney will cash.....already have 7, so there's no risk of losing, but a win is obviously so much better.
You're not a Michigan man. Rabble rabble rabble.
Izzo's teams have an uncanny ability to win these coin-flip games during tournament time. It is to the point where I expect them to win every game, but by no more than 4 points.
The Big East already has 2 teams in with the possibility of one more after this game. It would be nice to see some variation, conference-wise, in the Final Four.
I'm sure you could also make an arguement of how it would help out the Final Four in selling seats at Ford Field if there was a "Home" team there.
i wish he would have made that free throw so he could quit living his life through these kids
Izzo isn't the same coach he used to be. He and the MSU basketball program are slipping. They aren't elite anymore.
End of sarcasm
All I care about is getting Trey Ziegler to Ann Arbor.
I have MSU going to the final four in my bracket. Their path up until this Louisville game was so easy, I couldn't find a reason to have them lose anywhere as much as I wanted to.
The only team standing in front of MSU is North Carolina.
You aren't from CT are you?
I can easily see UConn or Nova beating MSU. The other two big east teams are playing at a much higher level than Louisville has been this tourney.
Edit: My bad. I will say this the guard matchup between UConn and MSU will be awesome.
I can easily see UConn or Nova beating MSU. The other two big east teams are playing at a much higher level than Louisville has been this tourney.
Even when they were down, State was controlling the tempo. They've forced their style on Louisville, and Louisville simply hasn't had an answer. I think it took its toll in the second half.
It helps that Suton went nuts in the first half, he was about the only guy hitting shots for them for a long stretch.
Pretty impressive to win by so much over the #1 overall seed that you can put in your bench scrubs for the last minute.
#1 overall seed by default only. Louisville was worse than many of the #2 seeds, and even some #3s and #4s.
How can you possibly claim this with any shred of sanity? What #4 seed is better than Louisville?
MSU beat a good team. Deal with it.
you a moron. I didn't see UL isn't a good team, but they are the weakest of the #1 seeds. Xavier and Wake could both take care of Louisville.
Show any sort of objective measurement that supports that. Things like record, RPI, and SOS would all say you're wrong.
I don't think those things can predict that. The fact that UL doesn't play defense doesn't bode well if they get matched up against a team like Wake. Maybe my claim was bit stretched, but I still believe UL got seeded too high, and people just got obsessed with the whole #1 overall thing.
The fact that UL doesn't play defense doesn't bode well if they get matched up against a team like Wake.
Tempo-free stats say Louisville was the 2nd best defensive team in the nation. http://kenpom.com/team.php?y=2009&team=Louisville
You're not helping yourself.
well they didn't play D today did they. I was just making a random claim. You win, congrats little man.
You: Baseless claim.
Me: I don't think that's true. Citation of evidence.
You: You're an idiot. Revision of baseless claim.
Me: Cites more evidence.
You: Insult.
yeah that's basically what happened. so what.
The posters who routinely show up (on a M board) carrying the torch for State's quest for approval are just as annoying as M fans whose bias won't allow them to give credit where credit is due. I root for both teams. This shit gets old fast.
Do you mean the Wake team that lost to Cleveland St by double digits. No. I don't think that team could beat an elite eight Louisville team.
Cleveland St was ridiculous in that game. I think Wake would shred the Louisville defense.
Louisville had the best scoring defense in the Big East at 61.7 per game. Defense is not their problem. Sometimes they don't score efficiently, and even with that problem hypothetically, I think they still beat Wake.
so cleveland state would double shred louisville's defense
obvs
nope
Triple Shred?
nope
Ville was the number one seed before the tourney started. I would differ with you by saying,Conn was the weakest due to the fact they lost of their phenom starting pg. I don't think they are weak...just ran into a buzz saw today.
One thing of note...being in the double-bonus as early Ville found them myself...I am quite mystified why were they throwing up treys when they should have been going to the hole? Pretty Rick coaching performance today wasn't what I expected...
MSU being a top 5 program kills us. JB already struggles with recruiting, and this will make it that much tougher.
MSU has been a better program than us for 15 years. How does this result alter that in the least? Beilein's in the same position he was a month ago.
Yes, but if they won the title then Izzo can throw it in the faces of these fresh recruits. It means a lot.
A new practice facility would go a long way in helping Beilein recruit top notch talent.
In general, I think the better strategy for us is to improve our program to be able to compete with top-notch programs, as opposed to wishing failure upon our in-state rivals so that our current level of mediocrity will be sufficient.
Mediocrity referring specifically to facilities and general neglected-stepchild status of the bball program... not knocking personnel.
Beilein and Izzo tend to go after different types of players. There's sure to be some conflict, of course, but for the most part the players that fit Beilein's system are a little different than the ones that fit Izzo's.
All I could think about while watching the game today was how much better Michigan would've been had Goran Suton, or, a similar type of player was wearing the maize and blue this season. He's the exact type of big man that we need for Beilein's system. That kid stepped up big time today for Sparty.
2 things:
1) state is a good squad with a great coach. be realistic.
2) this won't negatively affect our program.
I tend to agree. The lack of a practice facility hurts recruiting right now more than anything, imho.
you're out of your damn mind if you thinks this helps us. Guess where Trey Ziegler is going when he enrolls?
But hey, B10 is better off! Woo!
Idiots.
Why would Ziegler go to a "fraudulent" program?
Because fraudulent programs have a higher propensity of playing teams that put a gun to their foot and pull the trigger. Common knowledge.
Are you trying to be funny or is it just accidental humor? Cuz it's great.
LULZ
the seeding is over. purdue getting spanked at home by duke, michigan state getting embarrased in detroit by north carolina and ohio st. getting annihilated at home by west virginia hurt the big tens rep and seedings.
louisville was exposed by minnesota earlier this year and that went a long way towards reinforcing michigan states hopes to defeat an overrated cardinal squad.
this victory had nothing to do with the quality of the big ten this year and had everything to do with the perception in the state of michigan that msu is still the school of choice for 4 star in state talent.
thank you.
When was that perception even vaguely close to changing? When they beat us by 30? When we finished 6 places lower in the Big 10? When we lost 2 rounds ago?
can you please provide me a counter statement with how this isn't zero sum? We have a prospect in-state that is going to msu. We have recruits who are probably now looking at msu that weren't considering them before, that will be of talent Michigan never had a chance at, and they will be used as weapons against us.