State of Recruiting is Not Bad Right Now

Submitted by Dreisbach1817 on

With the Dee Hart news today, many national pundits (and maybe some UM fans) are starting to say something along the lines of: "And the news just gets worse for Michigan" or "Michigan Recruiting takes big hit after loss."

But if you look more closely, you will see that the loss yesterday and the implications the next few days on this class should not be too severe.  In fact, it may already be over.  Clearly the Dee Hart decommitment is a setback.  But it was very much expected.  In fact, most people believed that Dee Hart wasn't coming to Michigan even had we put together a good performance yesterday.  He was at the Bama-MSU game and was set to commit there either way in my opinion.

As of now we have 13 commitments.  Of those 13, we have a very good chance of keeping all 13 despite the coaching situation.  The in-state guys are sold on the school/program.  They have said such.  Even better, some of the out of state guys are some of the most enthusiastic commits we have --> Countess, K Jones.  And TomVH confirmed yesterday that Dallas Crawford is still likely to come to Michigan no matter who is coach.  If we bring in a new coach, he might be able to bring with him a few guys, and still have a great shot at Chris Bryant and Kris Frost.  A pro-style coach may even be able to convince Sammy Watkins to come with his teammate Dallas to Ann Arbor, and bring in more of a bruiser RB (Rawls).

From a coaching standpoint, we are not Miami.  There won't be a mass exodus of recruits.  We are in excellent shape and with a month left to go, and with possibly 6-8 slots to fill, we will be extremely competitive to complete a very solid class.  If Brandon does the job he was hired to do, by Wednesday this program will be back on track.

dollarbill

January 2nd, 2011 at 5:08 PM ^

When you are in a hole, the first step is to stop digging. Recruiting will sort itself out; it should not dictate the major decision making regarding the program.

BlueDragon

January 2nd, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^

I'll bite.  It's definitely Not Bad, but it's also Not That Great either.  It's solid but unspectacular.  Dee Hart was supposed to be one of the jewels of the class, and now he's gone (for the moment).  National Signing day is still two months away, and if we get a new HC next week, he'll have plenty of time to find seven lousy recruits to fill up our class.

kb

January 2nd, 2011 at 5:28 PM ^

This recruiting class is not a solid one by any stretch of the imagination.  We used to have a fairly good mix of 3 and 4 star guys with a 1-2 5 star guys as well.  This year they are all 3 star with a couple of 4 star recruits.  I feel we get some decent offensive recruits, but there is definitely a difference in the defensive recruits we get, which is really what we need right now.  A while ago I looked at how the percentage of 3 star defensive recruits we got has changed over time - under Carr we only had 20-30% of defensive recruits who were 3 star or below; under RRod that percentage has jumped to 50-60% (Ray Vinopal - 2 star with upside!).  I don't think the star system is necessarily the best way to evaluate recruiting classes, but I also believe you're more likely to get a "hit" on a prospect than a "miss" by recruiting higher star players.

I don't expect to have all 4 and 5 star guys like Alabama - we all know recruiting practices from schools like this are shady and highly unethical and its only a matter of time until they get hammered by some major NCAA violation.  However, this class could stand to be much better.

DGDestroys

January 2nd, 2011 at 5:33 PM ^

At this point, I'd rather have Harbaugh than RR. Not because I don't believe the spread can succeed, not because I think RR's a bad coach, not because I think there's no hope for the future. Rather, solely for recruiting. If he stays, that'll be great and all, but there will continue to exist a shadow over the program, one that suggests mediocrity and a still-torn fanbase. It won't just kill us with some prospects in this class, I think it'll really hurt the 2012 class as well. 

DGDestroys

January 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 PM ^

After the pounding we incurred yesterday, the overall perception of the program is of one stuck where it is, not moving forward, simply a mediocre team. Even if RR turns this team into world beaters over the summer, he still won't be able to prove it until, at the earliest, mid-October. That would kill recruiting, and keep elite prospects from coming. The same speculation we've endured will continue for yet ANOTHER year. I think, if we had just come and dealt with Miss St, there would have at least been enough optimism to get us in a strong position with several recruits over the offseason. 

bluenyc

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:25 PM ^

I wouldn't want him to abandon his team now, but I wish if he really wanted to come here, he would start after the OSU game.  If we change, we will need all the time we can to a new system down.  That is a conversation for another time.

Giff4484

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:09 PM ^

JH played in the NFL and has a brother who is a head coach there. Add those two factors in with a Block M on his Hat when he walks into a kids house and tell me who is going to clean up in recruiting? Yes we are! How will Dbag up in East Lansing compete with that or Vest?

mackbru

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:12 PM ^

RR definitely had the cc barrier to deal with. And he nabbed a few four-stars. And Dee. And this class is smallish, which impacts rankings.
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<br>All in all, though, RR at no point recruited on par with the big boys. On defense, most notably. Last year we ended up outside the top 25 (once Demar Dorsey was dropped). We're about 28th currently. Not good enough. Despite what the RR apologists say, the team is not overflowing with young blue-chip talent. Not on D, at least.
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<br>Everybody worries about losing current recruits. We may. But I'm pretty sure we'll end up with a better class than RR would have pulled. Also, perhaps, a bigger one. Transfers will create more spots. That's not a bad thing. JH may well end up with a full-sized class. Good. We need it.

Michigasling

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 PM ^

 He was at the Bama-MSU game and was set to commit there either way in my opinion.

So that's why MSU (that MSU) played so poorly!  They were in collusion with Bama!  They BOTH wanted Dee not to go to Michigan!

StraightDave

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:29 PM ^

The problem with this class is UM has no impact players.  Granted very few HS kids come in and make a difference but UM has to land a couple studs to build a solid foundation.   

DGDestroys

January 2nd, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^

It wasn't anything specific, he just spent most of the day retweeting stuff that UT fans were saying about how garbage the Big Ten is, wondering why anyone would want to "volunteer for a michigan game ass whooopin". Some of it was negative towards MSU, which was fine by me. 

mackbru

January 2nd, 2011 at 8:17 PM ^

Are you kidding? How many times has he throw up his hands and say, in essence, "What do you expect? I had nothing to start with?" All he's done is make it sound as if he was handed a bunch of bozos. 

A few specific examples:

 

2008: Rodriguez, who took West Virginia from 3-8 his first season to 9-3 his second, said Monday he’s not surprised the rebuilding process has taken longer at Michigan.

“Not after I got here,” Rodriguez said.

 

2008: When he was asked if any of Michigan's juniors had come to him seeking advice on whether they should turn pro, Rodriguez literally stifled a giggle before saying no -- as if the previous coaching staff had recruited anyone good enough to consider that. 

"We have to identify our problems, and we have," Rodriguez said. "Some of them didn't occur overnight, and they won't be overcome overnight."

So what, Rodriguez was asked, have you learned in two years. "It didn't take me two years," Rodriguez interrupted. "It didn't take me two years to figure out what we needed and what we needed to do. I knew it after a couple of days."

2009: Rodriguez, when asked about the team's shaky performance, said, "Until I took the job, I didn't know how many challenges we faced in terms of our roster and recruiting. That's gonna take time."

M-Wolverine

January 2nd, 2011 at 9:23 PM ^

Yesterday, on Gameday (for those with short memories): "I'm like everybody else. When you go to Michigan, I thought the same thing, you just throw 'em out there you're going to win 9 or 10 games. Well, it wasn't the case, especially with the transition we came into. We lost a great senior class, so there was going to be a transition. No matter if I came as a new coach or Lloyd came back, there was going to be a transition period...there's a process to go through, and at Michigan you have to go through that process, believe it or not." But one can play word games about "directly". The truth is the finger pointing has gotten old. As my grandmother always said, if you point a finger at someone, 3 more are pointing back at yourself.

jmblue

January 2nd, 2011 at 9:47 PM ^

This is not one of his more admirable traits.  He's had a tendency to deflect blame onto his players for specific mistakes as well, most notably following the 2009 MSU game:

"He was supposed to kick it," Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez said. "It was a read, and Zoltan, he's made that decision very, very well a number of times, and that time he thought he saw a crease, I guess."

Someone should have asked, as a follow-up: even if it was Zoltan's read, why was there even a read on that punt play at all? 

M-Wolverine

January 2nd, 2011 at 10:01 PM ^

I really hold against him. Most of the other stuff is created, or just silly bias. I mean, I don't think a football banquet is a place to make it about the coach, and not the seniors, and worry he didn't realize how Groban would come off, but I understand it, under the circumstances. And everything doesn't have to be done like the old regimes, but man, calling out anyone else, ESPECIALLY a player, for a football problem...that's just not my style. Call out someone because they're not working hard, or doing what they're supposed to (a la Tate helmet thing)? Cool. Get them "on the same page", if that's what it takes to get their attention. But for football failure? That's on the head guy. Big bucks, broad shoulders. Even if you're thinking "in practice I'll make sure THAT never happens again", or "that coach is SO fired", to the press you protect your players and your staff. Not yourself.