CC- Why was Rich Rodriguez hired and how that affects our perception.

Submitted by skunk bear on

[Ed-M: Bumped to diary 'cause it's a diary, basically, then un-bumped due to WAIT YOU WERE SRSLY?]

After reading countless posts about whether Rich Rodriguez should continue to be our football coach, it seems clear that a large percentage of the MGoCommunity believe that Rodriguez was hired to drag an antiquated football program, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

If you believe this, then how could your reaction to the possibility of Rodriguez being fired, be anything other than: "No, you have to give him enough time to complete the transition"?.

But, is that why Rodriguez was hired? Let's review  (and please, if you followed the last coaching hire more closely than I did, or if you have inside information, correct me where I am wrong).

1) Lloyd Carr became ill. This illness drained Lloyd of energy and made Lloyd condider retiring. But, Lloyd is a battler and loved coaching Michigan football. So Lloyd stayed on. But Lloyd, who never believed in over-working players in the first place, because football should be fun, could no longer provide the attention to detail that the team needed.

Lloyd was also very loyal to his assistant coaches, some of whom became complacent. So, the program began to slide. However, Athletic Director Bill Martin loved Lloyd, in part because Martin was never a "football guy", but mostly because Lloyd was a low-maintenance coach. There was however, growing discontentment with Lloyd as coach in the Michigan football community.

Then came what we now call "The Horror" Then the Oregon blowout. Under pressure, no longer young or well, Lloyd (one way or another) retires.

2) Bill Martin expects Michigan to have its pick of top coaches and wants another low-maintenance coach, a ready for primetime coach. Martin wants someone who has already established himself as a successful head coach.

If Michigan is to go outside the present staff, Lloyd's pick is Kirk Ferentz of Iowa.Ferentz is well-respected, smart and accomplished and has assembled a fine staff. Ferentz is offered the job. Ferentz turns it down.

One coach that Lloyd Carr did not want was the favorite choice of Michigan fans, Les MIles. Miles had coached here at Michigan, with Carr, but had quickly left after Lloyd became head coach.

But, Bill Martin wants a successful, popular coach. A backchannel contact is made to Les Miles to become the next Michigan coach. What happens next is less clear, but apparently an opponent of the Miles hire leaks the news to Desmond Howard, our former Heisman trophy winner, who now works for ESPN. Kirk Herbstreit, the former OSU quarterback, also works for ESPN, gets wind of the story from Desmond and breaks the story on live national television.

Miles is about to coach LSU in the SEC title game. A victory could send two-loss LSU to the national championship game. Miles is now under enormous pressure. LSU wants to know: "Is this true?" LSU's players want to know. Miles frantically tries to contact Bill Martin. Miles wants to know: "Do I have the job?" But, Bill Martin, unaware of the leak, is literally out to sea. Martin, an avid sailor, has gone out on his boat and done so without a phone. Miles quickly agrees to a contract extension with LSU and coaches them to victory and the national championship.

Michigan is looking foolish, the Michigan brand-name is taking a hit.

Greg Schiano is a temporarily hot coach at the moment. Schiano has coached Rutgers from (b)oblivion to respectability. Anybody who could do that has to be a good coach. Michigan needs a coach. Martin offers Schiano. Schiano accepts, reluctantly. Then Schiano talks to his team and decides to stay at Rutgers. Martin is getting desperate. Martin offers Schiano again. But, still the answer is no.

Then, unexpectedly, Michigan is contacted by the agent for one of the hottest young coaches around. Rich Rodriguez has led West Viginia to three straight top ten finishes. Rodriguez is well-enough thought of to have been offered the Alabama job the year before. It's like a cold glass of water to a thirsty man. Martin and university president Coleman meet Rodriguez for a five hour meeting in Toledo, Ohio. Rich Rodriguez becomes the next Michigan coach.

 

3) My point for the MGoCommunity to consider: RR was not brought in to revolutionize Michigan football, but as an act of desperation without fully realizing what would be entailed in adjusting to Rodriguez as coach.

Those who wanted such a revolution, do not want to give it up.

Those who didn't are just appalled at the way we are playing.

And so you have a divided fanbase.

PS: This is just my second time starting a thread. My first was a meta post that got sent to some obscure place (Bolivia?) Any constructive criticism is welcome. TY

Edit: No ill intent of any kind is intended by this post. My sources for this is that I followed the coaching search as closely as I could. TV , radio , newspapers, online, and Micigan sports blogs and forums including this one. I am writing from memory. I am open to any corrections.

Dec 2- All right, at the implicit suggestion of an ex-mod, and after careful thought, I've decided to edit out the unnecessary parts that have offended some MGoBloggers. I hope this doesn't make the commentary seem too out of place. Please keep in mind that what remains is my understanding of events and that I seek correction from those more knowledgeable.

jmblue

December 1st, 2010 at 7:16 PM ^

Carr didn't have a good coaching tree.  That was precisely the problem.  The only one of his former assistants who has achieved anything at all is Hoke, and back in 2007 he wasn't much of a candidate.  Originally, Carr's plan was likely for either DeBord or Herrmann to replace him, but DeBord failed miserably in his trial run at CMU while Herrmann's stock declined and he never got a HC job anywhere.  Consequently, we were forced to go for an external hire.

MGoTarHeel

December 1st, 2010 at 7:43 PM ^

The fact that this was bumped to diary makes me weep for the user-genreated content of this blog. This is fan-fiction of the worst kind. Speculating, twisted fiction masquerading as a "question about the past".

ATLWolverine

December 1st, 2010 at 7:20 PM ^

click on TMZ.com by mistake? This is like a potpourri of bedbug-ridden, moldy rumors from Michigan's past. The stuff about Miles in particular is salacious and irresponsible unless you have some sort of verification.

Also: WOW, DID WE DODGE A BULLET! I forgot about Schiano. We as a fanbase would be having a very different conversation if he had gotten the job instead of RR right now...

 

Vasav

December 1st, 2010 at 7:21 PM ^

As pointed out by many others, this is unsourced rumor-mongering and gives blogs a bad name. While I do find some of the rumors interesting and thought provoking and even feasible, some of what is posted is just wrong - like the concluding point that Rich Rod was a desperation hire, when in fact he was as hot in 2007 as Harbaugh is in 2010.

This kind of baseless reporting has been torn apart time and time again on this blog. If there is anything to back up these claims, links need to be posted - or else this post is no better than the Freep writing a thought provoking article about how Michigan football may be endangering their student-athletes health and well-being. Just as the OP can claim that there may be a kernel of truth to a part of his story, the Freep can point out that Michigan did practice about 15 minutes too much by stretching. But the credibility of the writer is rightly damaged by information that is flat out wrong, and further damaged when things that may be true are not sourced at all.

Rather than be bumped, this should have been deleted.

Sparkle Motion

December 1st, 2010 at 7:30 PM ^

How Brian was tracking the movement of private planes to and from the greater Ann Arbor area to try to figure out who was being interviewed...that was one of the best parts of the coaching search.

Seth

December 1st, 2010 at 7:52 PM ^

It was me, because its length was diary-ific, and I was reading it cracking up thinking it was tongue in cheek. But I guess he wasn't clear enough that it was a "these were the rumors" rundown, and now on re-re-read I'm not so sure he was joking anymore, so de-bumped, move along, nothing to see here.

Apologies.

By the way: "Ed-M" is always me.

skunk bear

December 1st, 2010 at 10:39 PM ^

While I would certainly write it differently if I had to do it all over again and while I wanted it to read lightly, it wasn't meant as tongue in cheek. As I pointed out to Logan88 in a reply to his comment on page one, the rumors were not necessary to make my point. Clearly, I should have left them out.

skunk bear

December 2nd, 2010 at 12:11 AM ^

My point, in summary, is that some believe that Rodriguez was hired in order to revolutionize Michigan football, that this belief is incorrect and it leads to division.

If you think Rodriguez was so hired you must almost certainly want to see Rodriguez stay until the job is done.

If you think Rodriguez was hired to continue Michigan's tradition, you can't help but be dismayed at the play of the team.

The run-through of the coaching hire was to show that that wasn't how Rodriguez came to be hired. Talking about Miles' affair and Lloyd's illness was, unfortunately, superfluous. Sorry.

Huntington Wolverine

December 1st, 2010 at 8:07 PM ^

I can live with that.

 

Seriously though, maybe RR was just hired to coach the football team and then came in and assessed the need for the overhaul and finally had an AD willing to back him financially. 

 

Edit: Oh yeah, when did we become MLive?

WAWOLVERINE

December 1st, 2010 at 11:15 PM ^

I have always wondered if Bill Martin knew that he was changing the entire offensive philosophy when he hired RR.  The offense RR runs was unlike any of the other coaches he considered.  What do you think?  Did he make this hire in ignorance on that point?  Did he seek input from his panel of experts of just hire in desparation?

raleighwood

December 1st, 2010 at 11:45 PM ^

Ferentz, Miles, Schiano and Rodriguez.  Which one of these is not like the others? 

I've often wondered what Martin was thinking.  Did he consider RR to be a "steal" that fell into his lap?  Did he just grab a name and not think of the program implications?  He should write a book someday.

skunk bear

December 1st, 2010 at 11:46 PM ^

My "factual" answer: I don't know.

My "opinion": I don't think Bill Martin was ever a "football' guy. I think Michigan was taking a beating in the press. I think Martin was increasingly afraid of not getting an acceptable coach. Time was running out.  When a coach of Rodriguez's stature (at the time) came to him, I think Martin looked for a way to get a deal done and was less critical in evaluating Rodriguez than he would have been, had say, 5 top candidates all applied and Martin got to choose his favorite

I think Martin jumped.

Raoul

December 2nd, 2010 at 10:36 AM ^

From everything I've read about Martin's coaching search, I believe that Rodriguez did indeed more or less fall into Martin's lap. Schiano and Rodriguez had the same financial advisor, Mike Wilcox, and it was Wilcox who suggested that Martin should contact Rodriguez.

I have no opinion or facts on how desperate Martin was at that point in the search, but he certainly was well aware of Rodriguez's offensive philosophy. This is from a Q&A that Jim Carty did with Martin on the day that Rodriguez was introduced as the new coach:

Q: Michigan's never seen a spread offense like Rodriguez's before, how do you think it will be received by the fans?

MARTIN: Based on my e-mail last night, which I finally read - after the announcement, I said, OK, I'm going to go see. The one I loved was "Strap on your seat, here we go." I think it's going to be exciting. I think our fans are very excited about the brand of football he helped bring to Michigan. It's going to be exciting. As we talked about it, he talked about the hurry-up offense - which he employs too, although he didn't mention it today. I think we're all going to be really excited to watch it. I don't think the press up in the press box is going to be going up for a cup of coffee at all. They're going to be making darn certain they stay there for every single play of every minute of every game.

Q: Was his background with the spread offense a factor in your decision?

MARTIN: It was a factor, but ... you know, not the sole factor. Yeah. Absolutely, it was. But we could have gone with a traditional offense, too. But I think (the spread) was clearly a plus. No question about it.

...

Q: How much did you take Rodriguez's offensive philosophy into account?

MARTIN: A little bit. I mean ... particularly from a football perspective, we looked at his record, and yeah, there's a wow factor, an excitement factor, to his style of football. It's fun. It's going to be fun. So, yeah, we looked at that as a plus, but if there hadn't have been a lot of other process, we wouldn't have gone in that direction.

So Martin knew about Rodriguez's offensive philosophy and in fact cited it as a "plus" in hiring him. It's quite possible that Martin didn't realize how radical a change this really was and how difficult the transition was likely to be. I'm guessing that during the interview that Rodriguez sold Martin on the idea that he would adapt his offense to the players on the Michigan roster at the time, and this was in fact what Rodriguez said he would do during the press conference at which he introduced as the coach:

On what he knows about the players on Michigan's current team that he will inherit and how they will fit into his scheme
"I know a little bit about them because I've watched them a little bit, but not much because we didn't play any common opponents. So I haven't seen them on film and I couldn't tell you much about their abilities, but I know they have some outstanding skill players.

"Sometimes there's misinformation about our offense, and obviously now, we've been more of a running team than a passing team in our spread offense. But we've always geared our offensive game plans or offensive schemes around our offensive skill players. In the past when we had great players and great receivers, we've been probably 55-60 percent pass back. When I was at Glenville and Tulane University, and then we've done more of the running stuff. So I will be able to evaluate our players here and see what best fits. The beauty about the spread is it's not like a wishbone or a Wing T or a West Coast where you see one and you see it all. This is a little bit different. Not every spread is like another spread.

"Now, there will be some transitions. I think that's always the case, you'll certainly have some different techniques and different plays and the first year is always the most difficult because no matter what sport you're in, what time you come in, your first year in transition is the most difficult. I had a few hecklers on the way to the airport yesterday saying, oh, you better not go 3-8 in your first year at Michigan like you did at West Virginia. It's tough. I didn't say anything, I just shook my head.

M-Wolverine

December 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 AM ^

I remember it well, but wow, does it kind of smack you in the face in hindsight.  I wonder how much he regrets not acting on his 2nd paragraph as much as he said he would.  And the last couple of sentences at the end of it all - uhm, yeah.

Raoul

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 PM ^

If he doesn't regret making more of an effort to adapt his scheme to the offensive skill players he inherited, I believe he should regret it. I think he lost a ton of support that first year precisely because he imposed a system ill-suited to the players he had--particularly the quarterbacks. And, yes, i guess sometimes hecklers speak the truth.

The other thing that strikes me looking back is how little talk there was about the defense. In that summary of the press conference I quoted from above, there was only this little bit about Rodriguez's defensive philosophy:

On his defensive philosophy ...
"We ran a little bit of a unique style in our odd stack defense. I'm proud of our guys, I think they finished fourth in the country in total defense this year, and I want to do something similar, whether it's the odd stack or a variation of it. Our defense is pretty multi-dimensional, just like our offense. I have some ideas to do that, and again, I want to look and evaluate our personnel before making a final determination."

Again, he implies he's going to adapt to the personnel, but did he ever actually do this? Yet, the bigger issue is that Martin hired someone whose reputation was clearly made on the basis of his offensive philosophy, when Michigan football might have been better served with a more defensive-minded head coach.

raleighwood

December 1st, 2010 at 11:41 PM ^

The whole story reads like an Oliver Stone movie to me.  Lots of unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo (illness, affairs, leaks....).  While it makes for a good read, I'm sure that plenty of it is fiction.  Take it with a MAJOR grain of salt.

954Greenwood

December 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 AM ^

Who was responsible for calling the plays and putting together the offense that put up 41 points on the Gators in the 08 Capital One bowl? After only putting 3 points on the board against OSU, our offense looked wide open in that game and Henne had the game of his life. THAT offense could have kept mallet and manningham (maybe) around and could have helped us avoid the last three years. Maybe.

WAWOLVERINE

December 2nd, 2010 at 1:10 PM ^

Thanks for the background on the hire and post hire interview info.  i'm not really convinced that Martin knew the implications of the hire.  Unless someone else writes the book, we never will.  On another note, could Martin have been on the boat intentionally so he wouldn't hear from Miles.  This puts him in the position of not turning down Miles but, obviously, not hiring him either.

Torgoman

December 13th, 2010 at 9:46 PM ^

I've always thought this was actually the case.  Martin wasn't a baffoon with Miles.  He was being bombarded by the pro-Miles group including Dan Dierdorf and others who were going public.  Then Miles was put in a position where he needed an answer and Martin made himself unavailable.

Again, I have no evidence nor am I claiming this is true, but no one has evidence that Martin was a moronic AD who forgot his cellphone and yet everyone seems to believe that's the case.

I think Martin's real screw up was overestimating how coaches view the Michigan job.

And I wonder what Desmond's real role was.  Was he in the pro-Miles group and did he try to force Martin's hand or did he leak it to put Miles in a corner when Martin would be unavailable?  And if that's the case was Herbie used by Desmond?  Or did he agree to do it?  Or was Desmond not his source?  We'll likely never know...

Spoof Football

December 2nd, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^

Great post, and I agree. No way was RR hired to "revolutionize" Michigan football.

He was choice #3. You don't try to hire two other guys before you decide to "revolutionize" anything.