The Official Bring Jedd Home Thread

Submitted by Michwolve21 on December 22nd, 2018 at 8:44 PM

Start up the bandwagon

 

https://twitter.com/CoachJeddFisch/status/1076524617315958784?s=20

Nervous Bird

December 23rd, 2018 at 2:19 AM ^

Here are Andrew Luck's stats with Pep Hamilton at Indianapolis - 

2013 - 23 td, 9 int

2014 - 40 td, 16 int

2015 - 15 td, 12 int (Luck hurt shoulder in third game, only played 7 games total)

In 2013 Pep became offensive coordinator after Luck's rookie season of 23 td and 18 int. Then, in their second year together, Pep and Luck had phenomenal numbers as the number one passing offense in the NFL. It's obvious that when Pep is in total control of the offense, the passing game has produced explosive results. 40 touchdown passes in a season is not symbolic of a Harbaugh offense on ANY level.

Further, by far, the best offensive game plan that we've had against OSU in Harbaugh's 4 years was the 2017 game plan. For those high on Fisch, how did O'Korn look in that 2016 Indiana game compared to how he looked with Hamilton in 2017? Answer - just as bad! Further, I think many forget about the impact that Jabrill Peppers punt returns had on the 2016 team. He averaged 14.8 yards per return and Michigan had the 2nd best average field position in the nation! That tends to make an offense look really good. The field position numbers in Pep's years has been 26th (2017) and 8th, respectively. 

The opposition, with this fanbase, of Pep is not based on substance. It seems to derive from perceptions more so than objective facts. Any look at his independent history shows that he is not a run-run-pass, vanilla coordinator. Yes, Speight did seem to regress in 2017. However, was that due to him pressing because he had to look over his shoulder at O'Korn (Harbaugh's decision to split starter reps in practice and games)? His 2 interceptions versus Florida were juiced up overthrows of wide open receivers. Speight even said in an interview after announcing his transfer that he was upset/puzzled as to how he was in a quarterback competition heading into the 2017 season. And, Pep is on record saying how he prefers finding the quarterback early and getting him maximum reps during camp. 

This was a top 20 scoring offense in the nation this year with a new to the program starter at qb, and 3 new starters on the o-line, and some of you want to fire the offensive coordinator? 

 

Ger Sauden

December 23rd, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

Pep Hamilton was fired at Indianapolis. There was probably things going on with the team you don't know about. Because where is the powerful offense everywhere else Pep Hamilton has been that you want to give him credit for at Indianapolis?

At Cleveland, the passing offense went from 22nd in the league to 27th in the league in his one year there. Numbers went down when he was at Stanford.

I am not convinced by your argument. 

jbuch002

December 23rd, 2018 at 8:40 AM ^

Not really. If you take the time to read the whole thing it says:

The offense belongs to Harbaugh not the OC.

Pep Hamilton is fine and there are plenty of numbers out there to demonstrate that.

Jedd Fisch is not going to be some kind of instant fix and there are plenty of numbers to justify that.

I don't care if Pep stays or goes because he's not the problem with M's offense. Harbaugh is the problem. I'm all for bringing in an assistant, at any level, not necessarily a new OC, that Jim trusts and will listen to that will help him to implement changes in the emphasis on the passing game  - M passed only 37.39% in 2018 with arguably the best receiving corp in CFB and a very good QB. ???

If M's offense is to change - and I am on that bandwagon - Harbaugh has to change his offensive philosophy. Dynamic offenses like OU's under Kingsbury (now at USC) and osu's under day/wilson are emerging on the CFB landscape as dominant, championship caliber offenses. 

Adapt or perish. H.G. Wells 

YouRFree

December 23rd, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^

Look. People don't think there will be instant fix is out of their mind. And many fan base here use double standard. Just look at our OL development. It's clear how effective a good OL coach can improve the team vs bad OL coach (or you can say a great OL coach vs. a good but not fitting OL coach). Why we hold different standard for OC or HC (if he's the one who call the play). It's about coaching. we have two year sampling size to make a fair good conclusion on this offense, the red zone offense efficiency is enough to make the conclusion.

The fact that media keep claiming the coach staff keep the plays for the future more important game is getting ridiculous. Year in or year out, we never seen those hiden plays from their pockets, other than the first year when we play Florida. The offensive play calling in the bowl game has not been significant improvement from the OSU game. Fan would expect that the coach would pull out all their playbook since it's the last game of the season. It never happened. At this point, I have concluded that this is just suger coating. The team only have limited plays in the books, result on the field shows it. Either it's on the coach or the players, doesn't matter. (keep in mind that this happened before in Bo's era too in terms of passing play, according to some old players in the talk show. I heard in from WTKA. 6 out of 10 passing play was play actions, so when they left behind in the game, and need to pass, still can only call a sorry-ass play action play in obvious passing situation.)  I would guess it's both. I strongly believe football IQ and general IQ level is more important for college football than NFL. Being in Stanford with higher average IQ/football IQ but less athletism may be a good thing for JH's system. Given limited practice time requirement for college football. Players master the concept in 2-3 practices (vs. 4-5 practices) and apply on the field could be massive effect in JH;'s complex play book. Also smarter players can adjust the skill and play on the field.  After 4-5 years, we are still talking about simplifying the playbook!!! Either our player are not smart enough as a team to grasp the concept while maintain their techniques on the field (within limited practice time). Or the offensive coaching (especially JH who is steering the wheel is incompetence to adapt and make change fast enough, or didn't recognize this issue in year 1 and year 2).

Most fan see the issues. either JH need to change his philosiphy (to recreate a new playbook to help better exceution and game plan) or find a better OC who can design better plays for JH for him to call. None of us knows the root cause, but one of this has to happen to solve that miserable root cause.  Otherwise, JH will sink with his incompetent staff or his not-so-fit philosophy. I think JH has a much tough path in BIG than Pac12, where the politics and referees are worse. Still cursing Jim Denaly nowaday, until he is gone, our golory day won't come. If he stays long, the only other path for us is 8 team playoff, so we can mitigate the influence by BIG officials (both adminstration and referees)

 

 

umfb19

December 23rd, 2018 at 11:31 AM ^

If you think Jim is a little "strange"... Jedd is even more.  From what I've been told... it's hard for 2 birds like them to work along side each other.  Love them both, but sometimes, personalities just clash.  

Ger Sauden

December 23rd, 2018 at 8:49 PM ^

Michigan lead the BIG 10 in scoring in 2016.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/2016-team-offense.html?fbclid=IwAR2ooZF7_ROBSwUJ4CaoRZEL6XgJ0quZtba92XM5WD4_iaRjtR_sO6uTLRQ

Dropped to 8th in 2017.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/big-ten/2017-team-offense.html

Maybe Michigan was getting more TDs in 2016 and not settling for as many FGs that year. I didn't look it up. But I wonder if that is true.